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Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Judgmentality on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:13PM (#16893684)
Some of these I really like, and some of them are well-intentioned but seem disconnected from reality.

- Communication should travel via the shortest path necessary to get the job done

This sounds like a great idea, however it can lead to things like the CEO pinging engineers to fix problems he doesn't fully understand. I've seen this happen often, and it's really annoying how often we have to tell the CEO he can't do this (extremely important people have already quit because of it).

I love the idea about walking out of meetings though, and just minimizing them as much as possible.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by antris on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:47PM (#16893783)
> it's really annoying how often we have to tell the CEO he can't do this

Isn't it just another part of the job? Obviously a person doing the actual work is supposed to explain what is and isn't possible, no?

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Merad on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:29PM (#16894281)
How many average workers are willing to push back when the CEO tells them to do something?

How many CEOs will respond well when an employee does push back against their directions?

There are good reasons that most companies don’t operate this way.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by garmaine on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:02PM (#16894350)
Elon doesn’t employ average workers. If you can’t work this way, your tenure will be short.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by krick on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:31PM (#16894418)
Exactly. I hate bureaucracy as much as anyone, but it exists for a good reason. An enterprise just isn't a bee-hive, where everyone does a reasonably good job to keep the whole thing alive because they are just born that way. And there cannot be any rapid innovation in a bee-hive anyway. It's silly to dismiss communications and the chain of command within a company as some bothersome thing that "just hurts the actual work". Well, yeah, it is bothersome, but, no — it is actual work.

Even if every employee would be good at everything that anyone in the company does — which obviously isn't and cannot be the case — communications aren't this wholly rational process that benefits the company proportionally to how it benefits the agents, and it's unlikely that "factor of ten better precision" could be born as a result of important design decisions taken by some random pairs of lowest-level workers in private discussions, without informing anyone else involved (simply because they don't really understand how anyone is involved/affected by their clever decision).

Long story short, even given all this not-entirely-serious image of Musk, I'm kinda surprised to hear so naïve statements from him. He's in business long enough to know already that some idealistic visions just don't work in the real wordld, and it's one thing to tell them to your buyers and inverstors, and another — to your actual employees.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by shanghaiaway on Sunday April 22, 2018 @12:18AM (#16894688)
He's never had a normal job. That's why he doesn't understand these things.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by slededit on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:37PM (#16893756)
I think he was speaking more from the Individual Contributor level here.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by mieseratte on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:33PM (#16893947)
That was my impression as well. No better way to GSD than talk to your counterpart on the other side of the aisle and figure out a solution.

For a CEO, VP, or other "executive" type, practicing seagull management is time inefficient for them in any regards. They should be delegating tasks, and trusting their reports to handle the issue.

Of course, sometimes one must become the executive who gets in the weeds as Musk is doing, but that is because the reports have failed in some crucial aspects and one must unfuck the situation.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by gizmo686 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:45PM (#16893996)
Its more than just the CEO (or other high ups), even lateral communication is not without cost.

As an engineer, my time is limited. I simply do not have time to immidietly deal with every problem that anyone wants dealt with.

The general rule we settled on where I work is to ask the relevant project manager first. If the project manager gives the okay, you can talk directly to the relevant engineer. Otherwise, your request will go on a list and be dealt with "at some point".

Of course, in an emergency, you can still go straight to the relevant person. And everything is always an emergency...

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Mononokay on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:19PM (#16893898)
To be entirely fair, Musk is an engineer, so that in general wouldn't happen, I'd imagine.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by matte_black on Saturday April 21, 2018 @08:57PM (#16894194)
He’s an engineer on paper, probably not in practice.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by Mononokay on Sunday April 22, 2018 @12:42AM (#16894745)
He earned a degree in it, and seems to know what he's talking about.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by colordrops on Saturday April 21, 2018 @09:29PM (#16894280)
What evidence do you have of that?
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by matte_black on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:06PM (#16894358)
The word “probably” indicates uncertainty.

Therefore, there is no evidence, just suspicion he is not doing the actual engineering work himself.

Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by colordrops on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:33PM (#16894428)
OK, what reason do you have to suspect he is not doing the actual engineering work?
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by bkdonline on Sunday April 22, 2018 @01:40AM (#16894866)
He has a BS in physics.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by colordrops on Sunday April 22, 2018 @03:35AM (#16895142)
And decades of experience building up engineering firms from almost nothing. Perhaps I'm in a different environment than you, but I know more than one top-tier engineer that didn't even graduate high school let alone get a 4 year degree in physics.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by matte_black on Sunday April 22, 2018 @07:39AM (#16895738)
If someone has a computer science degree but never writes code are they a software engineer?
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by colordrops on Sunday April 22, 2018 @03:18PM (#16897970)
Why are you under the presumption that he did no domain specific engineering at Tesla and SpaceX? And let's not go in circles and repeat your previous arguments please.
Re:Elon Musk reveals his productivity rules in a letter he s... by matte_black on Sunday April 22, 2018 @08:15PM (#16899510)
lack of any specific examples?