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Re:iPhone X by nunez on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:37PM (#15231278)
These keynotes were magical before leakers leaked everything. I'm wondering if Apple should scrap these and aim for smaller, unplanned releases instead.

As far as this phone goes, I am really excited to see how it stacks up to the Galaxy S8. Face ID is incredibly enticing, but Samsung Pay is much more universal. The only thing that is making me want to retreat back to an iPhone is its inferior Bluetooth audio quality.

Re:iPhone X by rmrfrmrf on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:45PM (#15231483)
I actually thought Tim Cook did a great job this time around. For the first time in a while, I got that "reality distortion field" feeling that I haven't had since Steve Jobs had been the presenter. I think these keynotes go a long way to sell the product. Admittedly, I haven't seen any of the leaks, so yeah I'm sure it's not as cool if you know what's coming, however I do remember from past leaks that they tend to leave out the narrative (just opting for raw features, photos, etc.) that don't really do justice to the product.
Re:iPhone X by gknight on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:49PM (#15234130)
One way he's made these keynotes his own is by the humanity he's injecting into them. I've noticed that whenever there's a big keynote after some big crisis or tragedy, he'll acknowledge them in a very sincere way. I'm still moved by his brief remarks and moment of silence after the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando.
Re:iPhone X by nunez on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:39PM (#15233635)
While I think Tim was much more expressive this time around, I still think he sounds too stiff and rehearsed. The one thing that Steve did incredibly well was make his keynotes sound improvised, even though they weren't. I'm not sure if Tim will ever get there, as it's kind of a character trait. Phil and Cue are better at it, IMO.
Re:iPhone X by eight_ender on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @02:02AM (#15235917)
I think it's really hard for him to act that way. He's a proven logistical and managerial genius but those qualities don't directly map to stagecraft.
Re:iPhone X by Tsiklon on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:23AM (#15238545)
And frankly in terms of stagecraft Tim Cook has come on leaps and bounds from his first few conferences.

As someone who's quite withdrawn and reserved at work, I'd imagine it's quite a challenge to have to develop those skills.

Re:iPhone X by TheRealDunkirk on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:28PM (#15232973)
Within seconds, I really got the impression that he's been working on his presentation skills. I agree; much improved. The dramatic tension was noticeably better.
Re:iPhone X by geff82 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:21PM (#15232097)
Honestly, my wife and I had no previous exposure to leaks besides "there will be something expensive".

And then it felt like the real Apple magic. We sat there and at every product presented we said "Wow, we want this. NOW!". While the iPhone 8 still felt quite normal, the iPhone X absolutely killed it for us. And let's not begin with the eSim-Watch... which is so SciFi that I wanted it back in 1990 when I was still 8 years old. We have to appreciate that there is more to life than revolution, Apple "simple" does evolution at a very high level and in the end, they lead the competitors. Today, we could see the stuff that Samsung and others will get right in a year or two. When Apple already presents their next evolution... It is not about having the right specs, but the right concept. I already know the friend who will come to me tomorrow that his HTC has and 8 core processor while Apple has only six. The point is: it is all useless without the whole package being perfect. And while Apple is freaking expensive upfront, the peace of mind is worth it.

Re:iPhone X by nunez on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:45PM (#15233681)
I'm glad you enjoyed it but I should have you know that Apple is using a Samsung display and Samsung has been leading the pack in OLED display technology for at least the last 5 years. In fact, the S8 has a crisper screen than the X with its Super Retina display (570 ppi vs 471 ppi)
Re:iPhone X by jskopek on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:28PM (#15233991)
To quote the person you just replied to:

"I already know the friend who will come to me tomorrow that his HTC has and 8 core processor while Apple has only six. The point is: it is all useless without the whole package being perfect."

Re:iPhone X by voltagex_ on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @09:47PM (#15234826)
I'm an Android user for years now but I still find it embarrassing that it takes 8 cores to make an Android phone run smoothly.
Re:iPhone X by burnte on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:40AM (#15235596)
It doesn't. I've been an Android user since the Nexus One. Android ran amazing on that phone, on pretty much every Nexus phone, and on my Pixel. It ran like crap on the LG G2x, a phone so flawed they lost a class action lawsuit about it. It ran mediocre on my Galaxy S2 and S4, but much better once I used Cyanogenmod. It ran beautifully on my Moto X Gen 1.

Android, just like iOS or any other OS, requires non-crap hardware (not amazing, just well designed) and an OEM that doesn't bloat it up with tons of crap. Newer versions of iOS run like crap on older iPhones, because the OS is designed for newer hardware. Android runs beautifully on well designed hardware, even inexpensive hardware like the Moto G. It runs great without bloated skins and shovelware that "adds value".

Re:iPhone X by randomsearch on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:44AM (#15236288)
Being a long-time iPhone user and recently using Android for work (high-spec Nexus models) I can safely say that Android has a _long_ way to go both in terms of responsiveness and design.

It baffles me that Google are so bad at this.

Re:iPhone X by burnte on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:01PM (#15239579)
I hear this from folks, and I must be missing something. My wife has an iphone as do many of my users/clients and so I use it a lot, and own an iPad myself. I really don't see a responsiveness difference. Design is more subjective.
Re:iPhone X by valuearb on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:32PM (#15234014)
Samsung has a Truetone display now? Don't think so. Samsung puts great components together in a good package then hobbles them with bad decisions, bloatware and incomplete features.
Re:iPhone X by kasabali on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @09:24PM (#15234709)
> Samsung has a Truetone display now? Don't think so.

Apparently it has, for a long time:

> The Adapt Display Mode provides real-time adaptive processing to dynamically adjust images and videos – for some applications it will vary the White Point, Color Gamut, and Color Saturation based on the image content and the color of the surrounding ambient lighting measured by the Galaxy S5 RGB Ambient Light Sensor (which measures color in addition to brightness).

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S5_ShootOut_1.htm

Re:iPhone X by valuearb on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:14PM (#15234978)
Yea, I meant one that actually works well.
Re:iPhone X by onion2k on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @01:57AM (#15235904)
So the 'true' in Truetone is actually a Scotsman?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Re:iPhone X by valuearb on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:20PM (#15244763)
No one thinks Adapt actually works as well as Truetone.
Re:iPhone X by whipoodle on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:22PM (#15235016)
Feeds and speeds, feeds and speeds.
Re:iPhone X by noen on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @11:33PM (#15235309)
I was an iPhone user from the 3GS until my 6+ finally bit the bullet, and refused to give up the headphone jack. I genuinely love the iPhone and MacBooks.

I've been using the Galaxy S8+ since launch. And the Note 8 is, by any definition, as good or better than the iPhone X.

If you haven't used a Samsung phone lately, go try an S8 or Note 8. They have "the package" down. It just works, and doesn't require a PC or iTunes. I don't care about speeds and feeds. I care about how the phone operates on a daily basis.

iPhone X has FaceID and pin# to login. Samsung has face, retina, touch and pin options.

The Note 8 is cheaper, with expandable storage, a higher density display (with the same white balance adjustment), stylus, side-by-side applications, a headphone jack, samsung pay, and NFC.

(There are probably many more, but these are things I use on a daily basis, or very frequently in the real world)

The iPhone has iMessage and Facetime.

Seriously, it's worth a sniff of the other side of the pond. It took me 2 hours to transfer everything - contacts, media, apps. And another day to get the UI sorted (there's even an "ios mode" for the launcher that acts almost exactly like the ios interface). I still use an iphone often for work and it's honestly painful going back to it, there are so many little annoying papercut experiences.

Re:iPhone X by plaguuuuuu on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:40AM (#15235598)
On the other side of the fence here. I've been on vanilla Google phones since the Android Nexus. I have a Nexus 6P now, which was the flagship of that generation.

Between Google knowing my porn fetishes and the increasing number of issues & bizarre bugs (severe battery degradation, performance issues during normal usage, random freezes, photos occasionally not saving properly and getting corrupted) plus no security updates after 2 years, I've just about had it.

Re:iPhone X by cdkee on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @05:20PM (#15242800)
I had a 6p and ditched it for the S8+. Never looked back, it's a night and day difference.

Google/Huawei should be ashamed for the 6p.

Re:iPhone X by randomsearch on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:46AM (#15236298)
I can confirm that Android has all these problems. I use both.

iOS is getting worse, but it's still an order of magnitude less buggy (in terms of crashes etc)

Re:iPhone X by kanwisher on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:15AM (#15236172)
Samsung face login was hacked with a static image of of a face on paper. Sure they are first to a lot of stuff, but if it's not right it doesn't matter
Re:iPhone X by burnte on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:34AM (#15235572)
I'm not normally a shit-on-Apple/Android-is-amazing guy, I'm actually typing this on a MacBook Pro right now. But let's reel it in for a moment. Edge to edge screen, Galaxy S8. Smart watch: Pebble, Galaxy Gear, ZenWatch, etc. SmartWatch with cell service that isn't huge: Galaxy Gear S2 3G (frankly, I think better looking than the Apple Watch). Wireless charging: YEARS go in dozens of Android phones. The only thing announced today that Apple very well may have done "right" is the face recognition. Nothing else today was new or r/evolutionary. Yes, Apple frequently does things right that other people have failed on. The iPhone truly revolutionized the smartphone, the iPad made the tablet a non-crap market, iPod was fantastic, but let's not pretend everything today was iPhone 1 level amazing.
Re:iPhone X by hvidgaard on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:49AM (#15236310)
> Yes, Apple frequently does things right that other people have failed on.

That is exactly what non tech people want. Things that just works. There is an enormous market of people that don't want cutting edge, but reliable and long lasting tech. Apple fits that way more than Android. That is their force. It is entirely within their philosophy to not include wireless charging unless it is their own they back for a long time, or a market standard emerges. Arguably since Ikea included Qi chargers in a lot of their affordable furniture, that made Qi chargers the emergent standard.

Re:iPhone X by cdkee on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @05:18PM (#15242793)
Then why are they still using Lightning instead of USB-C, when that's all they have on their new Macbooks?
Re:iPhone X by hvidgaard on Thursday September 14, 2017 @05:24AM (#15246222)
They began using the Lightning connector 2 years before USB-C was a thing. They have a long term support philosophy and they stand by lightning. Perhaps in the future they deem the adoption rate of USB-C good enough to use that, but until then they'll keep using Lightning.
Re:iPhone X by cbhl on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @05:22PM (#15242817)
Because of all the docks and alarm clocks that still only expose a lightning port.

It will be super easy to support the USB-C Macbooks out of box -- they just swap out the USB-A-to-lightning cable and charger in the box with a USB-C-to-lightning cable and charger.

Re:iPhone X by marcins on Thursday September 14, 2017 @03:15AM (#15245589)
That's not really a great reason - there were lots of alarm clocks and docks with the 30-pin connector (and still are if you go to a Hotel!). That said, I'm not sure why Apple went with Lightning for their mobile devices instead of USB-C - maybe timing?
Re:iPhone X by burnte on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:47AM (#15245269)
Honestly, I like the lightning port and connector a lot more than USB-C, from a physical engineering standpoint. I think USB-C is really inferior.
Re:iPhone X by puranjay on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:20AM (#15236194)
I'll admit that I had written off Apple in the last few years. Felt that they couldn't get their mojo back after Jobs' departure.

This felt very different. The iPhone X is the first iPhone I've seen in a while that I want.

Same for Apple Watch. I'd written it off but the eSim makes it a very alluring buy

Re:iPhone X by roryisok on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @06:28AM (#15236995)
> Apple is freaking expensive upfront, the peace of mind is worth it.

Carrying a device worth $1000 around with me all day would not give me peace of mind. Quite the opposite. I'd rather carry a battered hand me down and not feel sick in my stomach if it falls off arm of the couch

Re:iPhone X by hesarenu on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @11:35PM (#15235315)
Do you how many I have triggered the hidden side bottom panels while browsing, scrolling. iOS is far from been perfect.
Re:iPhone X by jaquers on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:36AM (#15235582)
Funny, I could never trigger it when I wanted to. The method is simple though; start your swipe from below the edge of the screen. For you, maybe don't swipe from the bottom of the screen, that's what the scroll acceleration is for. ;D
Re:iPhone X by hesarenu on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @01:51AM (#15235873)
I have triggered the side contact panels as well. Hidden panels would always have these. They should have added a navigation controls like Android.
Re:iPhone X by kingnothing on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:35PM (#15232279)
Similar watches with LTE have been available from Samsung and others for years. Objectively speaking, Apple's latest watch isn't anything special.
Re:iPhone X by geff82 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:46PM (#15233147)
Objectively speaking, no other consumer tech company grooms and refines their products do much as Apple. (Only got my first iPhone last year after being so hackerish minded as to avoid ever using them... could not be happier)
Re:iPhone X by dsego on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:21PM (#15233946)
You meant to say grooms their customers.
Re:iPhone X by valuearb on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:33PM (#15234022)
Lol, Samsung's watches still don't have the value and usability of the first Apple Watch.
Re:iPhone X by mockindignant on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:50PM (#15232503)
It's special in that it makes lots of money unlike really just about every other smartwatch.
Re:iPhone X by yodsanklai on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:06PM (#15232704)
and the $60 xiaomi 4K TV box has been around for a year...
Re:iPhone X by synicalx on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @08:20PM (#15234340)
The same Xiaomi that snuck spyware onto their phones a year ago?
Re:iPhone X by muninn_ on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:43PM (#15232412)
That's like saying the Model T was built a long time ago, so a new Ferrari isn't anything special.
Re:iPhone X by synicalx on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @08:13PM (#15234287)
But Samsung hasn't sold it anywhere near as well as Apple. Honestly, I don't care about watches all that much so I don't go out and look for smartwatch related news, but even as a bystander I can't help but to hear all about Apple's new watch whereas your comment is literally the first I've ever heard of Samsung having something similar.
Re:iPhone X by xtreme on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:58PM (#15231732)
If some leaks can reduce the reaction to a product from magical to meh, perhaps the reaction was engineered by hype and not actual quality or features of said product.

To be concise, if something is truly groundbreaking, leaks don't diminish their value.

Re:iPhone X by bdibs on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:05PM (#15231833)
It doesn't diminish their value, but it takes away from the magic and showmanship behind the whole event.
Re:iPhone X by komali2 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:09PM (#15231899)
Exactly, I think you're just describing marketing, which some would view as a form of dishonesty or at least smoke and mirrors.
Re:iPhone X by spurcell93 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:49PM (#15232492)
I hate dishonest marketing as much as the next person but I don't think it's a stretch to say that there is nothing wrong with telling a good story about a product. And of course, telling that story means de-emphasizing unpleasant tradeoffs, and emphasizing pleasant ones. The ultimate concise version of this would be a list of features. That wouldn't be nearly as exciting or informative, would it? (I recognize that you did not personally advocate the position you relayed)
Re:iPhone X by macintux on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:37PM (#15232302)
Honest marketing is explaining the value of a product. Marketing can be smoke and mirrors, but to deny its utility is shortsighted.
Re:iPhone X by conception on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:01PM (#15233289)
This is a fantastic point. Marketing isn't evil - it's just a tool. It gets you connected with things you want faster. And like anything it can be misused.
Re:iPhone X by lostmsu on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:11PM (#15234949)
I think in most cases marketing deprives me of things I want faster being a resource hog.
Re:iPhone X by IowaBoyInMN on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @05:11PM (#15242724)
That's advertising. Some consider it a subset of marketing. Some consider it an entirely separate area. I agree. Ads on web pages are resource hogs. ;)

In its purest form, marketing is any communication from a company. Without marketing you would not know about any products from any company. So some forms of marketing are very valuable to everyone. As with any discipline there are bad points as well.

Re:iPhone X by ballenf on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:58PM (#15233262)
It's no different than show or movie spoilers. Do they make the show less enjoyable? Does that reflect on the production quality?

People enjoy the keynotes for the suspense and shared joy and excitement.

Leakers of movies, shows or new device features do take away some joy from some people. For me, the fact that 99% of the features are available in some form on another phone already (unlike early iPhones) is a bigger spoiler than the leaks.

I love seeing how Apple can take existing common features and take them to 11 and it's why I've come back to iPhone.

Re:iPhone X by hashmal on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:44PM (#15232427)
these events (and many other things like unboxing the product) are a big part of the experience that apple wants. not everyone like it, not everyone cares about that side of things (and that's ok!), but for those who like these experiences, a leak is just like someone spoiling what happens in a movie.
Re:iPhone X by nunez on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:42PM (#15233663)
I'm not so sure about that. Even though the iPhone 4 got HARD leaked, it was still such a diverge from the competition when Steve and Co keynoted it.

All of the X leaks had me wondering "I hope they have more to this because this is effectively a S8;" the keynote didn't change my opinion.

Re:iPhone X by make3 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:48PM (#15231532)
Having worked at Apple, the company feels like complete stress apocalypse all around for the 2 months before the fall major releases. I'm pretty sure no one would fall for the unplanned release thing, and that leaks would still happen
Re:iPhone X by yodsanklai on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:02PM (#15232663)
> These keynotes were magical before leakers leaked everything

Even without leaks, there's usually nothing really surprising in the keynotes. You get the usual hardware and software upgrade you would expect from a year to the next. Far from magical, I find these keynotes stereotypical. The fake enthusiasm, the marketing buzzwords and the endless flow of superlatives are sometimes painful to watch. I almost feel bad buying their products after seeing this (unfortunately they still make the best laptops!).

Re:iPhone X by 659087 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:20PM (#15233456)
> (unfortunately they still make the best laptops!)

Are they still soldering hard drives and memory down? That pretty much permanently drove me away from their laptops.

Re:iPhone X by dsego on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:23PM (#15233958)
Yes, but now everybody does it.
Re:iPhone X by viraptor on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:39PM (#15235088)
No, you still have choice. Not soldered memory is harder to find, but SSDs are replaceable in many models from multiple producers.
Re:iPhone X by ovao on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:40PM (#15232365)
The leaks tend to be a consequence of their supply chain not being able to keep tight lips more than anything else. One approach to combat that would be to announce a product well in advance of production, but then you have announcements followed by six or more months of production ramp-up. Which is obviously awful.

Until Apple is able to bring much more in-house, which they can't realistically do in most cases involving manufacturing, the leaks are inevitable.

If you want to maintain the magic for yourself, though, that's simpler: don't look at Macrumors or what have you :)

Re:iPhone X by fiatpandas on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:06PM (#15232713)
This latest keynote was pretty much completely spoiled due to a leak which came internally from Apple (URLs to golden master iphone firmware). I was really surprised that happened. I follow Macrumors pretty closely so I'm used to seeing a lot of hardware leaks over the years from manufacturing partners, but this fall's leaks were kind of insane.
Re:iPhone X by taplogger on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:01PM (#15233291)
Maybe they leaked on purpose to control expectations leading into the event. If there hadn't been any leaks, would you have been underwhelmed by the design of the iPhone 8? and/or confused by the introduction of another phone as a 'one more thing' device?
Re:iPhone X by fiatpandas on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @06:15PM (#15243235)
Idk, with all the energy and secrecy they put into these events, why would they spoil it? I think they know the magic of the event is not knowing that "one more thing." Sure, with apple's leaky supply chain we can expect hardware details to come out, but full software release with art assets and animations fans used to mock up the FaceID setup process a few days before the event? I can't imagine Apple wanting that stuff in the wild.
Re:iPhone X by nunez on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:48PM (#15233701)
Yeah Apple reducing the grip on the GM before the keynote was not a good idea
Re:iPhone X by MBCook on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:49PM (#15234131)
There's been speculation (which makes a lot of sense to me) that they've always done it this way, and even though it may not be a good idea it was just "the process".

Now that it's a bit in them so bad they'll probably change the way they do it, which I'm guessing they haven't thought about in a long time.

Re:iPhone X by MBCook on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:48PM (#15234125)
That's the thing though there were almost no supply-chain leaks this time. It wasn't a bunch of different cases and other parts that let us know what was going on.

It was leaks of software images, and those revealed WAY more than case leaks ever could have.

Re:iPhone X by mcintyre1994 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:10PM (#15232754)
Homepod firmware leaked via their website, then a GM of iOS11 leaked - that's why these leaks were so high confidence. Software is something they couldn't bring more in house, these leaks were on them.
Re:iPhone X by ovao on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:57PM (#15233763)
I realize that, but, as I said, the leaks tend to come not from Apple but from their suppliers and partners. Much of the iPhone X was known prior to the GM leak, including its overall design, construction, display notch, camera and sensor systems, etc..
Re:iPhone X by roflchoppa on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:57PM (#15232616)
I always thought that the leaks were deliberate to create media hype around the products.
Re:iPhone X by chipotle_coyote on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @09:29PM (#15234730)
Apple's (presumed) controlled leaks tend to be about setting expectations rather than "building hype": they're not going to deliberately spoil the reveals of their own press shows, but they may deliberately shoot down rumors about things their upcoming products don't have. Also, they tend to talk to established venues that don't have a reputation for rumor-mongering. If a "leak" appears on the WSJ, it's often presumed to be a tip from Apple itself; if it appears on 9to5Mac or MacRumors, it almost certainly is not Apple's own doing.
Re:iPhone X by addicted on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:05PM (#15234921)
They also try and reveal controversial stuff early so the public can digest it before the event. And I'm sure they have a bunch of people working the social media trying to explain why them taking a feature away isn't such a bad thing leading up to the reveal event (I bet the removal of the headphone jack was deliberately leaked .
Re:iPhone X by yoz-y on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @02:02AM (#15235921)
Does Samsung Pay work with more banks where you live? In France there is no support for it (due to come this month but still no dice). I suppose that both can be used anywhere you could use a contactless credit card.

(Aside: in France you can use Apple Pay anywhere a bank card would work up to 20€ but in shops with explicit support there is no limit, few have it though)

Re:iPhone X by xraystyle on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:10PM (#15232755)
> The only thing that is making me want to retreat back to an iPhone is its inferior Bluetooth audio quality.

The S8 has AptX, which in my experience is really quite good. Once Android O drops for that phone you'll have AptX HD and LDAC as well. I've got a pair of Sony headphones. Running LDAC from my Pixel XL on Android O to them, sounds CD quality to me.

Re:iPhone X by nunez on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:49PM (#15233714)
None of the headphones I use support AptX (Bragi Dash Pro, AirPods, Jaybird Freedoms); nor do any car audio receiver I know of.
Re:iPhone X by mrpippy on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:33PM (#15233573)
iOS has supported AAC over Bluetooth A2DP for years. For some reason, it's not as widely supported by headphone makers as aptX.
Re:iPhone X by rasz on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @11:05PM (#15235185)
Why would you support anything but your proprietary codec in your bluetooth controller chips? CSR didnt know either, was rewarded with handsome ($2.4B) Qualcomm buyout.
Re:iPhone X by mrpippy on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @02:32PM (#15241195)
Having done development with CSR chips, AAC (and also MP3) support is shipped with the SDKs just like aptX is. AAC patent licensing may be more complex though.
Re:iPhone X by madshiva on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:55AM (#15236331)
You've been fooled. There was never magical, only a hype train.

Apple sell expansive product without argumentation about the technology. People who fall in this scheme are too easy tricked. I buy because of the technology, support not because I see a keynote. What a waste of time to see Apple Keynote and how they never had real innovation that increase the price by 2.

It's 2017, almost 2018 and Apple continue to over price the storage and you all support them?

It's just a phone, what do you want magic behind a phone?

Re:iPhone X by toephu2 on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:26AM (#15235535)
Only apple fanboys checked out leaks. The average consumer did not look up leaks before the event.
Re:iPhone X by eblanshey on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:49AM (#15235634)
FYI android oreo is getting high quality Bluetooth support.
Re:iPhone X by bitmapbrother on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:38PM (#15233616)
The majority of these leaks came from Apple itself.
Re:iPhone X by bitmapbrother on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @07:26PM (#15243686)
It would seem there are people ignorant on the subject. The majority of the leaks came from firmware prematurely release from Apple. A second leak was from iOS 11 GA download links.
Re:iPhone X by 1_2__4 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:12PM (#15231948)
They were also magical when they were announcing new, incredible features instead of small iterative improvements.
Re:iPhone X by qq66 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:24PM (#15232140)
What were the new incredible features that are missing now? Seems like the iPhone has been a pretty steady march forward in terms of processor, memory, storage, screen, camera, hardware features, and the software enabled by the hardware capabilities. Why is this release underwhelming?
Re:iPhone X by seanp2k2 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:23PM (#15232124)
The front-facing dot projector and dual cameras
Re:iPhone X by westiseast on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:03PM (#15231806)
Meh. This and any of the last few keynotes would have been magical if they'd shown something that actually did something new.

What they've shown is just fancy new technology to do the same old things - great, now I can lock my screen in a different way!

Re:iPhone X by godzillabrennus on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:42PM (#15231405)
Yeah the leaks gave this entire presentation away.

We are at peak Apple. If I may borrow a similar peak story I'd look at Microsoft and the release of Windows XP. Balmer banked on that cash cow for far too long.

Tim Cook is doing the same thing here.

They need to buy Tesla and put Musk in charge of Apple.

Everything they do these days is just another way to milk the money machine for them.

They need a world class micromanaging innovator at the helm.

Re:iPhone X by coldtea on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:57PM (#15231711)
Because random advice from internet armchair experts would have worked wonders for them in the past have they followed it. I mean they're only breaking record after record, poor them...
Re:iPhone X by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:10PM (#15231908)
People don't care about Apple because of it's MarketCap.
Re:iPhone X by coldtea on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:39PM (#15232350)
No, but its Market Cap is what it is because people care about Apple.

Whereas if it was some geek factory making "wild bets" on not-ready-yet technologies, like the kind geeks ask to see, it would be liked by few, ignored by most (and for good reason).

If someone wants that, they can buy all those wonderful innovative products MS, Samsung and Google regularly put out... Rocking their Google Glass look and pioneering VR with their Rift.

Re:iPhone X by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:43PM (#15232417)
I think what makes (or made) Apple what it is, is that it did wild-bets correctly. So that's what people are complaining about - the fact that they can't, or won't make wild bets that win.

Is that extremely hard? Yes of course, but doing that effectively is why Apple got the reputation it has.

Re:iPhone X by coldtea on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:46PM (#15232461)
Wild bets on what? That people would buy a good smartphone?

That's not exactly Tesla (the inventor, not the company) territory, bet-wise.

Phones were one of the hottest markets already -- and they would have only gotten smarter, iPhone or not. The iPhone just brought lots of smartness and polish in concentrated form all at once -- it took around 3 years for competitors to catch up (Android wasn't released for another full year), and I guess it would have taken them like 5-6 years or so to put it all together (or course with less panache) if they iPhone had not existed at all. But still it was no wild bet (except in daring to deal with the telcos -- that was a big bet and took balls).

So, in 2017, what exactly product would you think Apple should introduce as a bet?

Re:iPhone X by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:26PM (#15232952)
AR Glasses
Re:iPhone X by coldtea on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:12PM (#15233872)
We don't have the battery life to make those meaningful yet (and for another 5 years at least except if there's a huge battery breakthrough).

Plus, people don't like strangers with always-on cameras on eye level eyeing them (Glass-holes).

And people who don't need actual glasses, won't go around wearing AR ones, except if they're geeks and do it for the novelty.

Combined this makes them a non-starter.

Re:iPhone X by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @08:09PM (#15234258)
I won't argue this point by point besides saying that those are each overblown concerns.

The broader point here, and this makes the point, is that Apple should be taking on any and all major challenges to keep it as a breakthrough trailblazing company. They have the cash, talent and position to do it.

Re:iPhone X by chipotle_coyote on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @09:43PM (#15234813)
Perhaps Apple can be accused of trailblazing at times, but only when they think they're going to make sufficient money doing it. I say this as a long-time Apple fan: they've never been in the business of experimental moonshots. They have products that don't pan out, sure, but they don't bring anything to market with a "this is crazy, but let's throw it at the wall and see if it sticks" attitude. What they've always seemed to be best at is looking at other good ideas that aren't setting the world on fire and figuring out how to fix them. Arguably, they did that with the original GUI concepts from the Xerox Alto/Star line, and kept doing it, from MP3 players to smartphones to tablets to smartwatches.

"Any and all" major challenges strikes me as kind of a recipe for (slow) disaster, unless Apple decides to set up a quasi-independent Apple Research division dedicated to moonshots. That would be kind of cool, to be sure, but it strikes me as something that isn't really in line with the kind of company Apple's been the last ~19 years.

Re:iPhone X by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @11:17PM (#15235228)
I mean we're at the point now that they wouldn't be throwing anything at the wall - they would be doing what they always do, like you point out, which is why it makes sense.

Hololens, all the Daqri products, Meta are all in the HMD space with products that are selling. The AR HMD space is WAY PAST where the mouse and GUI were when they introduced it on the Macintosh. They could even buy Magic Leap if they wanted but could probably do better themselves. I mean I live this stuff. If Apple wanted to do AR glasses right, they could.

Re:iPhone X by coldtea on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @07:45AM (#15237314)
And yet, all those spaces and companies are totally irrelevant in the sizes and markets Apple plays. The average Joe would have difficulty even telling what they do from their name. Their utility at the moment is even less.

>I mean I live this stuff.

That's the selection bias issue. Most people don't and don't care for these technologies.

Over the last 20 years Apple has had the same kind for advice to get in to all kinds of fads that never went anywhere and technologies that were way before their actual mass market stage.

Re:iPhone X by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:55AM (#15238254)
all those spaces and companies are totally irrelevant in the sizes and markets Apple plays

Just like the mouse and smartphone markets didn't exist previously.

You do realize that all of the majors are focusing heavily on AR right? As in, most of WWDC was dedicated to ARKit, nearly the entire Zuck Keynote was about AR etc...?

I was asked for what the next revolutionary technology would be that Apple could break out with, I gave it. It's staring everyone in the face and has been desired for the better part of 60 years - through thousands of iterations that never worked because processing, integration etc... weren't there.

Miss it at your peril.

Re:iPhone X by coldtea on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @07:41AM (#15237295)
>I won't argue this point by point besides saying that those are each overblown concerns

Overblown concerns that all made the Google Glass a total non-starter failure.

>The broader point here, and this makes the point, is that Apple should be taking on any and all major challenges to keep it as a breakthrough trailblazing company.

Nope. Apple should focus on carefully selected markets that keep it as a consumer favorite, best experience, record-profitable company.

Trailblazing breakthroughs in various random "major challenges" can be left to those without commercial concerns, like Google Labs who mostly makes up for money spend in positive press PR for its non-marketable "innovations".

Re:iPhone X by pvg on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:52PM (#15231621)
We seem to be at peak Apple year after year, as it continues to inexplicably churn out new products and rake in money. Tim Cook somehow keeps popping up on stage with something new, devoid of vision and utterly oblivious he's standing on the precipice of catastrophic decline. Again.
Re:iPhone X by conductr on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:49PM (#15232484)
IMO it's purely because Android as OS has not tapped into the UX that most iPhone users enjoy. So when replacement time comes around every couple years, users think why not get the new iPhone even though it didn't change much from my old one. My thought is most iPhone users would and maybe have considered switching but really enjoy the UX familiarity/simplicity of iPhone.

This is actually a conversation I have over and over with friends, family and coworkers. The OS switching cost/risks are too high although most iPhone users know the top Android devices are typically better than the iPhone the risk of not liking the OS experience is too high compared to the reward of taking slightly better photos or bigger screen or whatever Android does now that iPhone won't until XI

Re:iPhone X by criddell on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @06:17PM (#15233432)
> the top Android devices are typically better than the iPhone

In some ways (and on paper), you're right. Apple's stores are a huge advantage though. Any family member that asks me what they should buy is going to be told to get an iPhone. The Genius Bar might not be perfect, but it's better than calling Verizon or posting a message on the One Plus forums.

Re:iPhone X by twothamendment on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:41PM (#15234081)
For many, the Genius Bar may be hours away. For me it is over 3 hours. A full day of driving to deal with a Genius? I'll take my chances with the forums - they have yet to let me down.
Re:iPhone X by TuringNYC on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @01:45AM (#15235858)
Ever wait on Verizon's phone help line? I've never had an issue resolved in under 3 hours.
Re:iPhone X by mcphage on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:59PM (#15231743)
Just gotta keep climbing this mountain, before we reach the cliff on the other side.
Re:iPhone X by archagon on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:49PM (#15231571)
Ugh, no. Goodbye privacy and corporate ethics, hello creepy analytics.
Re:iPhone X by andrewjl on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:47PM (#15232466)
Facial data is stored on device, just like touch id fingerprints were. ML happening on device instead of on the cloud. By all means, if you see privacy leaks point it out but I don't see any here.
Re:iPhone X by biot on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @08:06PM (#15234232)
The "creepy analytics" remark is obviously a response to "They need to buy Tesla and put Musk in charge of Apple". Apple has a very good privacy track record. Tesla is the one with creepy analytics, witnessed by how the company is seemingly eager to release every detail of what you and your Tesla vehicle did leading up to a collision.
Re:iPhone X by notheguyouthink on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:12PM (#15232791)
I mean, I like quality hardware and as far as I can tell, Apple is the only one even remotely trying to protect privacy. Compared to Google, Samsung, etc. at least.

So which phone maker fits your level of privacy?

Re:iPhone X by valuearb on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:37PM (#15234050)
You guys have been saying it's peak Apple for almost a decade. I'm tired of waiting, when do we get to the other side?
Re:iPhone X by baby on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:46PM (#15231506)
The problem is that a bad release of a novel product will make them uncool and will crash them on the market.
Re:iPhone X by bhnmmhmd on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:48PM (#15231540)
Exactly!

Tim talked about Steve's legacy, but really, was SJ's dream to build a stale stagnating company? Did he prefer money over putting a dent in the universe?

Re:iPhone X by coldtea on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:17PM (#15232018)
Steve's Apple was just like Tim's Apple: all about incremental improvement.

Youngsters might not remember, but I've followed those keynotes and introductions since 2002 or so.

It took 4 years for the iPod to get a color screen -- and 8 years to get a video camera. Several years to get Wifi. The original iPhone wasn't 3G -- that was the next model. Those years we waited year over year for Jobs to announce some extremely incremental updates. And people cheered for them -- they were actually exciting, all the press was speculating and gushing, and it was e.g. just a few additional features on the iPod, like the touch wheel as opposed to the old click wheel.

New announcements like the iPhone and the iPad were rare under Jobs too. And those products were low hanging fruit for Apple themselves -- a mobile phone and a table. Quite basic stuff -- not some whole new product category like flying cars and whatever people expect to see.

Apple is not in the business of creating experimental stuff to dazzle geeks. It's in the business in incrementally improving mass market products.

Besides, what competitor exactly did introduce those mythical "Jobs-worthy" products that people ask from Apple to deliver? Google Glasses? Microsoft's laptop/tablet combo that failed to gain much traction and is returned like crazy? https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/14/16142490/microsoft-surfac...

What Apple did better, and affected the industry, was not innovation in the sense of some new BS product category that didn't exist ever, it was delivery. Better thought out, more polished, and with lots of innovation in the details. The kind of innovation that the iPhone models get incrementally but few can understand, but then you use a model from 2-3 years ago and it feels ancient after you've used the last one.

For such introductions of new products, the Apple Watch has been one such under Tim's, err, watch, and it does great in the market (in fact it's almost the only smartwatch people can actually see in the wild -- it outsold Samsung Galaxy watches so much in units it's not even funny).

Re:iPhone X by madshiva on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @04:03AM (#15236366)
I'm not more young now, I have see the evolution and never see any Apple Keynote or Steve speech because they talk for nothing wasting time , but I remember a things that every company still can't do now, reducing overwaste, improve autonomy. A single AAA battery did the job for a full week in my Rio MP3 Player. I don't care about fancy color screen, video camera? come on, wifi? useless. If the mp3 player isn't working for a full week the product wasn't better.

There was no improvement on the MP3 player, only the storage, but on crap Apple storage, you don't have choice to throw away a device that have slow memory 8GB? when you can buy a SD card? Too much innovation from Apple...

Re:iPhone X by coldtea on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @07:36AM (#15237268)
>A single AAA battery did the job for a full week in my Rio MP3 Player. I don't care about fancy color screen, video camera? come on, wifi? useless

Well, you might find yourself in the extreme minority on this.

It's not like non-color-screen, non wi-fi full-week-lasting mp3 players don't exist -- there are tons of such models.

It's just that the market has spoken, and most prefer to be able to also stream, plays apps, etc on their multi-purpose device than get one such.

>There was no improvement on the MP3 player, only the storage, but on crap Apple storage, you don't have choice to throw away a device that have slow memory 8GB? when you can buy a SD card?

Well, obviously companies like Apple don't cater to some small niche of music aficionados. Most people don't care for juggling cards and having different parts of their record collection on different SD cards or whatever -- they did it with CDs and such on 1999 out of necessity. Heck, most people will just stream today and be done with it.

Also not sure how "slow memory" means anything in the context of an mp3 player. Ever had problem reading mp3s from the memory quickly enough?

Re:iPhone X by artursapek on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:51PM (#15231589)
I don't think Musk would be enticed by the prospect of heading up a company that's focused on animating poop emojis. He's busy saving our species.
Re:iPhone X by briandear on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @04:02PM (#15231802)
Really? Armageddon has been coming for centuries. There is not evidence that humanity is about to be wiped out. Solar panels and electric cars are saving our species? From what?

Musk is certainly an inportant innovator, but he’s not a Messiah.

Re:iPhone X by rootlocus on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @04:41AM (#15236533)
> Solar panels and electric cars are saving our species? From what?

Global warming