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Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by yborg on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @05:43PM (#14973979)
I found this disturbing:

"Chromium-based browsers are being “infested” by Instart Logic tech which works around blockers and worst, around browser privacy settings (they may start “infecting” Firefox eventually, but that is not happening now)."

From his linked post:

"Instart Logic will detect when the developer console opens, and cleanup everything then to hide what it does"

Is this implemented via a CDN-delivered script? Why would Chromium-based browsers be more susceptible?

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by i2shar on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:01PM (#14974572)
It is indeed disturbing. Why should a web page be able to detect if dev tools has been opened? Isn't this a browser security issue?
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by djsumdog on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:24PM (#14974713)
It's pretty insane how much your browser knows about you:

http://webkay.robinlinus.com/

There's another one I can't find, but it writes out things like "user moved mouse to x,y. User has been idle for 10 seconds, page lost focus, page gained focus" .. kinda creepy how much is available to the Javascript engine.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by inopinatus on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @08:07PM (#14975008)
This is pretty normal for a UI programming framework. The creepy thing for me is when that stuff is reported back to the origin over a websocket.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by settyness on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @08:22PM (#14975102)
You must be talking about clickclickclick.click

And thanks for the new novelty website bookmark :D

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by unkown-unknowns on Thursday August 10, 2017 @01:10AM (#14976620)
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by teddyh on Thursday August 10, 2017 @09:37AM (#14979467)
Reminds me of “Achievement Unlocked”:

http://armorgames.com/play/2893/achievement-unlocked

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by kakarot on Thursday August 10, 2017 @09:47AM (#14979575)
Elephant Games are incredible and their creator is also imcredible. I highly recommend checking out his other games if you haven't already. http://www.jmtb02.com/
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by transposed on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:12AM (#14976274)
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by distances on Thursday August 10, 2017 @04:40AM (#14977665)
Operating system, browser, CPU, local IP, connection speed. That's all I was shown, probably thanks to uMatrix blocking 3rd party scripts.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by nothis on Thursday August 10, 2017 @04:12AM (#14977492)
>Browser Plugins

>No plugins detected.

Interesting. I have 6 installed on Firefox.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by efreak on Thursday August 10, 2017 @05:10AM (#14977870)
Firefox no longer reports installed plugins to websites. It causes some interesting behavior on websites that check to see if you have flash before letting you play games (sorry, you need to have flash installed). I had a user script for a while that 'fixed' the navigator.$whatever to show having flash installed so I could play some game; now I just use Shumway and it seems to work.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by OOPMan on Thursday August 10, 2017 @04:41AM (#14977671)
If you think this stuff is creepy well...okay?

I mean, it's not like every desktop application you've ever used in your life couldn't do the same or more?

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by snakeanus on Thursday August 10, 2017 @09:58AM (#14979692)
The difference is that you run only trusted native applications with the ability to check their source code, while you are visiting untrusted sites which often have obfuscated javascript.

I think that it would be a better comparison between a pdf file and the web: pdfs files can't do the same or more.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by kccqzy on Thursday August 10, 2017 @02:12PM (#14982475)
PDFs can run JavaScript too. Open this PDF in Chrome: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/osnr/horrifying-pdf-experi...

And I would argue it is harder for the average user to view the JavaScript inside PDFs: on the web just right click and choose Inspect Element right in the browser; for a PDF you'll have to use specialized tools to decode the myriad encoding schemes inside a PDF. The average JavaScript developer doesn't know how to extract JavaScript from a PDF.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by snakeanus on Thursday August 10, 2017 @06:16PM (#14984856)
While it works on Chromium it does not seem to work in xpdf, pdf.js nor any other pdf viewer that I tried. It seems that JS, flash, etc inside pdfs are proprietary, useless, and potentially dangerous adobe-only extensions that nobody else implements and nobody uses. It's just that Chromium happened to have a JS engine so they decided to let JS inside pdfs to be executed with a very constrained API (which can't do anything malicious probably - unless a bug is found in its JS engine).

My point still stands: I do not expect a pdf document to be able to do anything like the djsumdog's link and neither do most people. If a pdf document was able to do anything like that I would consider that viewer as broken.

> The average JavaScript developer doesn't know how to extract JavaScript from a PDF.

They could learn with a few google searches.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by dpark on Thursday August 10, 2017 @07:44PM (#14985416)
> you run only trusted native applications with the ability to check their source code

Is the "you" in this scenario Richard Stallman?

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by kemayo on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @08:34PM (#14975182)
I would suspect it's sniffing for the window-size suddenly changing in certain ways, perhaps along with watching for the normal dev-tools keyboard shortcuts via keydown listeners. I can't actually remember off the top of my head if Chrome suppresses the event in that case, but it wouldn't be surprising if it didn't.

The easy check for this would be to see whether opening the devtools in detached mode via the menus makes it notice.

Note that this would actually be quite a pain to hide from the page, just because it's something the page needs to know to display some stuff and make rendering calculations. If it was hidden from the page, we'd suddenly be complaining about debugging floating footers which are hiding under the devtools.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by bsimpson on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @10:09PM (#14975730)
This is what happens when I trigged DevTools while logging key events:

document.addEventListener('keydown', ({ keyCode }) => console.log(keyCode))

91

16

73

You can see each key.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by efreak on Thursday August 10, 2017 @05:17AM (#14977905)
But there's different ways of opening dev tools. You can use the mouse to right click as well. In fact, when using keyboard shortcuts in the better these days, I have a habit of hitting alt+D first to get to the address bar first (Outlook likes to hijack browser shortcuts like Ctrl+n), in which case the website shouldn't know I'm pressing anything at all.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by bsimpson on Thursday August 10, 2017 @01:34PM (#14982065)
I think OP's point is you can listen for a bunch of signals: If you see the right keydown events, or if you see a contextmenu followed by a rapid change to innerWidth, they probably opened dev tools, and you should delete your evil cookies.

The person who figured this out probably opened them via menu and had dev tools in another window, so the evil folks couldn't detect the resize.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by ehaughee on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @06:56PM (#14974532)
This actually made me try switching to Firefox again. There's some minor things missing, but for the most part all the features I want are there.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by abandonliberty on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:29PM (#14974750)
Firefox is maybe 80% of the way there. Just like in the IE Anitrust days, firefox suffers from sites that do not design with it in mind.

Still better than Google Creep. Change to a search engine that protects privacy too.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by fencepost on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @10:00PM (#14975677)
If you think "not designed with Firefox in mind" breaks things, try using uMatrix for a while.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by arca_vorago on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @11:31PM (#14976108)
If people would focus on content in HTML and CSS for layout and newfad devs weren't shoving 50 jscripts a page down our throat this wouldn't be happening as bad. I plan to make all my future sites librejs compatible, and forgoe js altogether whenever possible.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by arkh on Thursday August 10, 2017 @03:51AM (#14977374)
History keeps repeating.

Flash? Now you have heavily javascripted "website".

Table layout? Now you have bootstrap and friends.

Progressive enhancement? Fuck that, we don't have time.

And 5 years from now people will rediscover those and accessibility. Then 5 years later another kind of hell will have appeared to replace this.

The only big change for the current wave is that everything is obfuscated so it's harder for a newcomer to learn by checking how people coded things.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by edgartaor on Thursday August 10, 2017 @02:14AM (#14976934)
How this could be done if your backend it's a REST API?
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday August 10, 2017 @07:13AM (#14978489)
You can still render server-side, an with a REST endpoint it should be easy to do so.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by caoilte on Thursday August 10, 2017 @03:58AM (#14977415)
I've been using uMatrix for over three years and very very few websites don't work with it.

By far the most annoying 'feature' (more of a consequence of the internet) is the way that you can't whitelist HTTPS sub-domains. (Makes AWS Console a pain.)

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by fencepost on Thursday August 10, 2017 @10:37AM (#14980119)
Does AWS Console have much that needs blocking? Seems a reasonable place to simply turn off uMatrix. You could also simply use a second browser with uBlock Origin for a limited number of sites - I tend to do that for a lot of checkout /payment options where the repeated reloads of whitelisting in uMatrix could be troublesome.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by timlyo on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:42PM (#14974843)
Can you recommend a search engine? I'm trying DuckDuckGo, but it's just not as good.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by JoshTriplett on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:59PM (#14974956)
> I'm trying DuckDuckGo, but it's just not as good.

It took me a while of using DDG before I realized how much I had equated "good" with "looks like Google".

What finally hit me, hard, was that I switched the DDG theme to a color scheme designed to look like Google search results, and all of a sudden the results "felt better". Markedly better.

So, I started regularly comparing results, every time I found something that I felt I didn't get the results I expected for. I would search, and then search again with !g. And almost every time I ran into something that I didn't like the DDG results for, the Google results weren't actually any better. (The rare times they were, I reported that, and often it got fixed.)

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by weaksauce on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @08:04PM (#14974983)
!sp will give you the google results without the google tracking as it's a proxy of google results.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by newscracker on Thursday August 10, 2017 @05:01AM (#14977804)
I use "!s" in DDG to get to Startpage [1] search results. One letter shorter to access the same - no need to type "!sp" when one can just type "!s" instead. :)

This does not work for replacing "!spi" (image search on Startpage) though. Using "!si" does a search on a non-existent subdomain sportsillustrated.cnn.com.

[1]: https://www.startpage.com

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by unexistance on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @09:17PM (#14975411)
awesome, DDG rocks

just tried !spi and it works as image search :D

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by Semaphor on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:59AM (#14976554)
My problem is not the looks, whenever I use !g I'm annoyed how bad it looks. It IS the results. Often when something doesn't have a ton of relevant results, DDG gives the wrong results while !g has what I'm looking for.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by hrktb on Thursday August 10, 2017 @05:20AM (#14977923)
In my experience ddg is less contextual. For instance when searching for something that is trending, Google will often give the most expected results even if the search keywords are incredibly vague, while ddg will give more standard results respecting the keywords.

That’s the very reason I switched to ddg, but it bites me back everytime I try to catch up on stuff everybody already knows for days, and need to fallback to !g.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by ordu on Thursday August 10, 2017 @09:02AM (#14979173)
Are you allow google to store cookies? Maybe its because of personalized search google does?
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by Semaphor on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:06PM (#14981055)
Oh, I'm pretty sure that's why. Unless encrypted.google.com doesn't use that information? Anyway, I'd love to have some way to personalize my DDG results and tell them what to boost. Alas.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by ordu on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:14PM (#14981148)
Either "we doesn't gather your personal data" or personalization. These choices are mutually exclusive.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by unexistance on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @09:19PM (#14975422)
how'd you report to DDG? tried reporting that !gi does not utilizes encrypted.google.com (which I think it should), seems like no dice
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by JoshTriplett on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @10:40PM (#14975867)
I used the "Feedback" mechanism, and typically got a human response by email.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by retox on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:54PM (#14974914)
I always hit DDG first then if the results aren't great just append the Google bang (!g) in the DDG search field to get an unbubbled goog search.

The DDG bang system is one of its best features in my mind. https://duckduckgo.com/bang

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @08:59PM (#14975333)
How often do you end up at Google though; a few years back I tried DDG for a couple of months but ended up basically always doing !g and so went back to Google.

Might be time for another go?

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by retox on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @09:09PM (#14975372)
It depends on what I'm searching for. If its an error code or something a bit esoteric around tech then google usually has better results, but for everyday topics the results are pretty decent, and they feel like they have improved over the years.

I probably do less searching than I used to, but the bang system really helps me search other sites much more effectively. The more common bangs I use are !w for wikipedia, !so for stackoverflow, !imdb, !gh, !tpb, !bm for bing maps, !bi bing images.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by Forbo on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @11:50PM (#14976173)
!sp for startpage is really nice to use if you want to have the Google results without the tracking. Edit: looks like this was already mentioned below. Whoops.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by littlestymaar on Thursday August 10, 2017 @06:03AM (#14978143)
I don't have any figures to back this up, but I feel like I use !g about half of the time (it may be 70 or 20% as well since I have no data). I'm not free from Google then, but this reduced my dependency by about 50%, which is still good to take !
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by Too on Thursday August 10, 2017 @02:18AM (#14976954)
For anything tech-related or everyday information DDG provides more reliable results than google because it's less infected by sales and SEO-spammers.

For local businesses and really rare topics Google is better.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by Semaphor on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:57AM (#14976545)
I was in the same situation. Switched over again a few months back. I almost always only need to use !g for rare results (and even there it doesn't always help). On the other hand bangs like !mdn (mozilla developer network) and !w (wikipedia) make things much easier.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by pbhjpbhj on Thursday August 10, 2017 @06:13AM (#14978187)
I use Firefox "awesomebar" keywords so "w" for Wikipedia, etc. (I think Chrome has this too), so I don't gain anything really with DDG's keywords on most searches.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by rovr138 on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:36AM (#14976399)
I use !s. Redirects it to Startpage instead. Google results, but it acts as a proxy.

On the homepage, https://www.startpage.com/, at the bottom it lists the security part a bit more.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by daveFNbuck on Thursday August 10, 2017 @02:23AM (#14976975)
I basically only use Google for movie listings, calculations, and restaurant hours now. The rare times I switch to Google for other searches DDG fails on, Google is no better.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by newscracker on Thursday August 10, 2017 @05:05AM (#14977833)
I follow a three step model: 1. DDG 2. If that doesn't help, then use !s to search Startpage. 3. If that doesn't help, then use !g to search Google.

Other than the relevance and quality of search results, there are differences in features across these sites, like date range search, for example. Image search also seems to have more flexibility on Google. I haven't checked recently if reverse image search even exists on DDG or Startpage.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by Propen on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:57PM (#14974935)
https://www.startpage.com gives you Google results but proxied.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by abtinf on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:02AM (#14976234)
Same for me. I fired up Firefox for the first time in years and it works great. The hardest part to get used to is their super-weird hamburger menu layout.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by asadotzler on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:13AM (#14976277)
This menu is changing for Firefox 57. It will have a more "normal" menu soon. You can see it today by installing Nightly Firefox.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by efreak on Thursday August 10, 2017 @05:21AM (#14977932)
What Ankit The mobile menu? The mobile menu is a mess if you have extensions installed, because add-on developers don't put their stuff in the tools/page submenu, and there's no way to rearrange it.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by harsh1618 on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:44AM (#14976459)
Pressing Alt brings up the conventional menu bar, at least on Linux.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by BenjiWiebe on Thursday August 10, 2017 @11:03AM (#14980397)
Plus you can go hamburger menu, customize, (some drop down menu at the bottom), show menu bar. First thing I do when I install FF on a new computer.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by thirdsun on Thursday August 10, 2017 @02:26AM (#14976987)
I recommend the Nightly channel. It feels much snappier, more performant and cleaner than the stable version.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by forapurpose on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @06:23PM (#14974291)
Also:

> The purpose of Instart Logic technology is to disguise 3rd-party requests as 1st-party requests, thus bypassing content blockers, and even the ability of browsers to block 3rd-party cookies (because they are stored as 1st-party cookies):

https://github.com/gorhill/uBO-Extra/wiki/Sites-on-which-uBO...

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by albertgoeswoof on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @06:37PM (#14974399)
How exactly does this work? The link mentions that it detects when Dev tools are opened and changes something?
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by tyingq on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:44PM (#14974856)
>How exactly does this work?

Which part? The making 3rd party cookies into 1st party cookies is likely just a caching proxy. They mention the speed benefits here, and not the cloaking benefit, but.. https://www.instartlogic.com/solutions/appspeed/runtime-opti...

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by milcron on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @06:59PM (#14974549)
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by hathawsh on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:51PM (#14974900)
Wow, the 'id' getter strategy is devious and effective on Chrome.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7798748/find-out-whether...

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by MichaelGG on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @05:53PM (#14974062)
And he has a list of sites that use WebRTC to get around blocking. Didn't Firefox or someone say they'd reconsider auto-enabling WebRTC if this practise became widespread?
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by eslaught on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @06:57PM (#14974539)
> Why would Chromium-based browsers be more susceptible?

From the linked discussion: "they may start “infecting” Firefox eventually, but that is not happening now"

So it sound like the developers of Instant Logic are simply choosing to target the most popular browser at the moment.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by math0ne on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:07PM (#14974605)
I still don't actually understand what "Instart Logic" is, can anyone explain it?
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by milcron on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:14PM (#14974649)
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by greggman on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @10:07PM (#14975716)
That doesn't seem related to the topic unless I'm missing it. Also it has nothing to do with browsers or Chrome vs Firefox
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by philipkglass on Thursday August 10, 2017 @01:34AM (#14976740)
http://go.instartlogic.com/AppShield-Ad-Integrity-Data-Sheet...

"Web publishers make simple DNS changes to flow the network domains that carry their HTML through the Instart Logic system. This allows our system to inject a small piece of JavaScript that can detect the presence of ad blockers. When an ad blocker is detected, the JavaScript-based virtualization layer Nanovisor, together with our intelligent cloud-based, machine learning platform, encrypts and delivers all the elements of the page using the customer’s existing delivery services.

As a result, each resource on the page, and any signals and actions such as measurement beacons or user clicks, will have its URL encrypted and obscured. This renders ad blockers ineffective, as they can no longer search for patterns which would indicate a resource is related to advertising.

The result is simply the experience that the web publisher intended on delivering to the end user with no changes to the ad delivery or measurement systems; end users have no need to be aware the technology is even being used."

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by marksomnian on Thursday August 10, 2017 @04:09AM (#14977472)
Buzzword Bingo.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by donkeyd on Thursday August 10, 2017 @07:27AM (#14978575)
That's actually some pretty cool technology! I don't like what it's being used for, but I like that it exists.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by patmcguire on Thursday August 10, 2017 @11:44AM (#14980805)
This is basically how viruses get around antivirus. I think the virus/antivirus arms race has been more or less won by viruses, so it looks like this is the end state of the adblock wars.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by math0ne on Friday August 11, 2017 @02:03PM (#14992590)
Ahh see, I didn't even know it was a company.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by milcron on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @10:55PM (#14975936)
It's referenced in the OP:

    Chromium-based browsers are being “infested” by Instart Logic tech
    which works around blockers and worst, around browser privacy
    settings (they may start “infecting” Firefox eventually, but that
    is not happening now).
And there is a link to further elaboration: https://github.com/gorhill/uBO-Extra/wiki/Sites-on-which-uBO...
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by gpvos on Thursday August 10, 2017 @05:14AM (#14977890)
Okay, so they have cookies on a subdomain of the main site's domain. But that in itself is not a problem, since it does not enable them to track me across websites. So I don't have a problem with that, unless they use other tricks. Are they using browser profiling or something similar to correlate across websites?
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by ams6110 on Thursday August 10, 2017 @10:43AM (#14980187)
> Instart Logic tech which works around blockers

Hadn't heard about this, but this is why I still keep long blacklist in my /etc/hosts file even though I use uBlock Origin also.

Out of habit I get mine from http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm. Not sure it's the best one, but I started using it years ago when I was still using Windows and have just stuck with it.

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by Aissen on Thursday August 10, 2017 @04:27AM (#14977593)
I'm pretty sure there might be a bug for this in the Chromium bug tracker that is hidden from the common folk, just like they hide their bug where websites can detect if you're in private mode(!):

https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/issues/9082#issuecom...

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by wfunction on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @08:49PM (#14975274)
Any more reading on the Instart Logic tech detecting dev tools and hiding itself? I can't find much online.
Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by TacoScott on Thursday August 10, 2017 @10:29AM (#14980031)
Typically it seems to poll window height/width vars in js. https://github.com/sindresorhus/devtools-detect

Another variant: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7798748/find-out-whether...

Re:uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions by wfunction on Thursday August 10, 2017 @05:19PM (#14984394)
Sorry I meant I was looking for more like documentation on the product rather than implementation. Thanks though.