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Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by payne92 on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @12:17PM (#14797727)
It's easy to armchair quarterback this stuff after the fact, but this is where Glass should have started. The price point, social stigma/issues, and use cases all screamed "business applications!".

Consumer tech may be where the glamour and scale are, but it's not always the best market entry point.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by spinlock on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @01:21PM (#14798311)
Ha! I interviewed at google and told them glass was a horrible consumer product and that they should have started with a market that wouldn't mind looking stupid (or skiers who already wore goggles so they wouldn't look stupid at all). The point I made to them was that they engineered an incredible device but hadn't validated the market. I suggested it would have been better to start with something like skiers because they already wore goggles and helmets. So, you wouldn't need to get the product so small to see how people reacted to it.

Needless to say, I didn't get the job. It was really funny to watch Glass (which is a cool technology) totally fail because it's a stupid consumer product. And, I'm no Steve Jobs. It was absolutely predictable that Glass would never work as a consumer product.

And, if you want to make it work for manufacturing, I think you'll need to scale up the form factor. Why wouldn't you make it a safety goggle too? Think about all of the engineering effort that went into shrinking this into a small, completely impractical, package.

Anyway, I think that this was not only predictable but it also shows a company culture where people can't tell the emperor that he's naked. It's not like I was the only person that took one look at glass and knew you couldn't leave the house wearing one. But, that message was pretty actively suppressed at Google.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by Snowflame on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @02:37AM (#14802370)
Xoogler here. You are very, very wrong if you think there is no dissent within Google. There's plenty.

That said, this is a company that has massively succeeded with other bets that were "absolutely predictable they would never work." So just because something looks questionable doesn't mean it gets shot down.

(Now, IMO, Glass was a mistake - but for entirely different reasons than you describe. An elite fashion product cuts against Google's reputation as something for everybody, even IF it had succeeded.)

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by nojvek on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @01:45AM (#14802196)
I can't say whether you failed the interview because of that but Google is a company that believes that their superior technology validates itself.

Sometimes it's the pressure "if you can't sell them in millions, we don't want to do it at Google". This means Google is a great company to make acquisitions that they can scale e.g docs, maps, YouTube, Android.

Google has so much money than they know what to do with it. They can't experiment like a startup because failed products hurt their brand.

Their best bet is to invest in startups that use their stack and if successful, acquire and scale the shit out of them.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by spinlock on Thursday July 20, 2017 @05:56PM (#14816635)
> Google is a company that believes that their superior technology validates itself.

This is a good point. I bet the team that made glass looks at what a technical achievement Glass is and rate the project as a complete success. I don't know how many millions they spent to get the form factor so small but I really would be surprised if anyone caught any flack for it.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by valuearb on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @03:08PM (#14799195)
Not sure why you got down-voted, everything you wrote is true.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by Gigablah on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @01:39AM (#14802182)
Except for the parts where he claimed that his opinions were the reason for him failing the interview, or the fact that he failed the interview was indicative of some company culture.

Unless you believe that he's an omniscient psychic who somehow has insider knowledge of his hiring process.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by sbank on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @02:12AM (#14802280)
Or maybe it was just said in jest. Not everything has to be so black and white.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by enjo on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @12:49PM (#14798040)
Wasn't that the point tho? Basically Google went:

"We have this cool thing, but we're not sure were it's most applicable. Lets just put it out in the world and see what people do with it!"

Which is what they did. The data they gained from that experiment no doubt led to this.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by objclxt on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @01:03PM (#14798150)
That's what they did after it was clear it was done as a piece of consumer hardware.

It's easy to forget how hard Google pushed Glass to consumers. They parachuted people out of a helicopter onto the roof of the Moscone Center wearing them. They invested a vast amount of money building out massive floating barges to use as showrooms, which they quietly mothballed and sold. They allowed Robert Scoble to take a picture of himself in the shower with one (some might say this was the worst crime of all).

If Google wanted to "just put it out in the world" they wouldn't have invested so much money in their consumer push. Now that I think about it, that Google I/O in 2012 was a bit of a disaster all around for consumer hardware, because it had both the Glass and the Nexus Q. At least Glass actually shipped.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by erikpukinskis on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @01:11PM (#14798219)
Promoting it to a room full of developers is not a "big push to consumers".

Robert Scoble is not really a consumer tech reporter either. He's more like a futurist. Most of the things he likes to talk about are things you can't buy.

Maybe because you got marketed to you are thinking it was consumer marketing, but consider that you were being marketed to as a developer not a consumer.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by acdha on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @02:54PM (#14799090)
If you followed the news at the time there was a ton of coverage in mainstream media with bold claims about how society was going to be transformed and it was way outside of just developer circles. For example, the New Yorker is not typically considered a developer site and yet they have a bunch of articles like http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/glass-before-google and http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/08/05/o-k-glass.

Similarly:

http://www.vogue.com/article/the-final-frontier-google-glass... http://www.vogue.com/article/fka-twigs-throughglass-google-g...

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/25/technology/biggest-eyewea...

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by methodin on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @03:11PM (#14799218)
Of course those articles were written with the goal of getting people to read it so it's not like they were grounded in reality.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by acdha on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @04:12PM (#14799678)
I'm not sure how that connects to the question of whether it was promoted outside of developer circles.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by methodin on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @12:06PM (#14805322)
"If you followed the news at the time there was a ton of coverage in mainstream media with bold claims about how society was going to be transformed" You cannot control what the media decides to hype their purposes. It was not as if Google itself made those same claims - that wouldn't be confirmation that the goal of the product was to transform the lives of every consumer. If they were throwing a bunch of ideas around to see what sticks that is a far cry from a purportedly failed "massive consumer push"
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by dragonwriter on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @02:28PM (#14798906)
They were marketing to developers, but they were marketing it as something that would be useful for consumer applications. They've admitted that that was a mistake, at least in the state Glass was in when it was introduced.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by valuearb on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @02:52PM (#14799070)
The king of successful consumer products, Apple, doesn't ship out public prototypes to developers to figure out what it can do. it's a terrible strategy for launching a consumer product and one reason Google sucks at consumer products.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by izacus on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @03:04PM (#14799158)
Good thing this isn't a consumer product then.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by lallysingh on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @12:35PM (#14797905)
And the glamor. If you started on the manufacturing side, it wouldn't have any caché when walking down the street. But if you started with a bunch of models on a runway wearing these, you would.

They tried going lux consumer and failed. But if they went the manufacturing route first, they would've burned any chance of the other.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by oliv__ on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @12:59PM (#14798112)
I don't agree.

They could've used the manufacturing side to enhance the tech, get the components to a cheaper price point, maybe even slim down the whole thing and then when they felt ready to enter the consumer market, spin it off as something new under another consumer-only brand.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by abraae on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @09:53PM (#14801582)
Or they could have let someone else take all of the "glasshole" flak, then arrived after that with a trusted, safe, Google product that addressed the concerns.

As they say, you can spot the pioneers because they're the ones with the arrows sticking out of their backs.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by rjsw on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @01:19PM (#14798291)
ITYM cachet, not caché.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by ryanobjc on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @01:04PM (#14798160)
Except you don't really know that. Hindsight 20/20 means that the current place seems inevitable. Here's an alternate future:

- People were initially apprehensive of the high price, but a small dedicated fan base bought it up - Shortly after launch, Google drops the price by a $200 - People deride it's feature set, commenting on the things it "should" have included - Despite that, the interface is very good - A year later, the next version is released, fixing all the missing problems people complained about - The item becomes a must-have tech, front page of Wired articles are written about it, etc, etc

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by valuearb on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @03:06PM (#14799178)
The difference is the original iPhone was actually useful for things people actually wanted to do, and reasonably priced for those uses. They sold 1M units in the first quarter, making it one of the most popular phones in the world at launch.

Apple spent many years creating the iphone. First they created a tablet computer, Jobs rejected it as not ready, not good enough. They then built a phone based on ipod touch wheel. Jobs rejected it as not good enough. He let the tablet team try to build a phone and eventually after much work and improvements, finally shipped it because it actually worked well for consumers, and could do many things consumers wanted (phone, texts, music, web, etc)

Google got glass working and said, what's will consumers use it for? We don't know, so let's dump prototypes on developers and have them figure it out!

Eventually some company, probably Apple, will build something like Glass that consumers will want, but it won't be Google. They don't get consumers (except for high functioning types) and their product development/approval process is a mess.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by Infernal on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @01:17PM (#14798277)
Were you intentionally drawing parallels to the iPhone here?
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by mirimir on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @01:57PM (#14798641)
Yeah. I really don't get why they focused on its gargoyle feature, which (rightly so) raised serious concerns about privacy, and downplayed AR. The obvious target market, other than geeks, would have been bikers. They'd find both gargoyle and AR very useful for swarm coordination. And military, of course. Perfect for infantry. But that's probably in quiet development.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by Zak on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @03:29PM (#14799346)
> which (rightly so) raised serious concerns about privacy

I always thought the privacy concerns were overblown:

If it's about users surreptitiously recording others, wearing the really conspicuous gadget known to contain a camera on your head is a really ineffectual way to do that. A smartphone in a shirt pocket would be better, and surveillance devices intended to be concealed better (and cheaper) still.

If it's about Google or app makers getting recordings, that doesn't seem nearly as bad as the various always-listening voice recognition tech in popular use today. Perhaps it might if people were wearing them 24/7, but they don't have the battery life for that.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by Sharlin on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @04:38PM (#14799862)
It was never about secretly taking photos. It was all about having an obvious contraption on your head that might not be recording or not. That makes people a) uncomfortable and b) conclude that you either don't care or just lack the social skills to realize that. It's not like recording secretly with a concealed cellphone, it's like overtly aiming your cellphone camera at someone while interacting with them, whether it's actually recording or not.

One might argue that people should get used to that, and at some point they probably will, but turns out it's a somewhat more difficult task trying to adapt people to your product than vice versa.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by Zak on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @07:55AM (#14803612)
It has a light on the front that comes on if the camera is active. Do you think most of the people who were uncomfortable were unaware of that, or didn't trust that people using it wouldn't disable the light?

The former would make a lot of sense to me. That it has a camera is obvious, and knowing how the light works requires a modicum of research. The latter, not so much, as we're back in the realm of secret recording.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by Sharlin on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @09:05AM (#14803972)
Almost certainly almost everybody would be unaware that there's a light.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by mirimir on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @04:54PM (#14807815)
Anyone who wanted to record routinely would disable the light.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by mirimir on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @03:49PM (#14799493)
Overblown or not, they were there.

I do agree that ubiquitous smartphones are just as bad.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by stuart78 on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @05:38PM (#14800270)
I agree in principle, but I would personally never return to a doctor who had one of these things on their face (like the one in the article photo). I see all the use cases for field operators, but it remains (to me) as creepy in any interpersonal setting as it did with the consumer launch.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by Steko on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @08:26PM (#14801190)
> this is where Glass should have started. The price point, social stigma/issues, and use cases all screamed "business applications!".

You've put the cart before the horse. The price point is not fixed. You don't make something and then look around for a convenient market. Google glass was also designed backwards, they maximized screen quality and watched it fail in the market due to high price and shit battery life when what they should have done is designed up from a 12+ hour battery life.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by 33W on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @12:54PM (#14798074)
I agree that this is the better starting market for Glass.

I think they saw the difference between Apple and Blackberry and believed that penetrating the consumer market first would drive demand within the business market.

Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by AckSyn on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @12:47PM (#14798015)
Many people said this on the initial run/introduction of Glass. Industrial applications are definitely where they should have started. I'm just glad they've made a comeback and will hopefully get broader use in the medical field and military as well.
Re:Google relaunches Glass for businesses by GenericsMotors on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @05:16PM (#14800145)
On the few rare occasions I saw someone wearing Google's specs, the first thought that crossed my mind was "douchebag glasses" :|