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Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by dangrossman on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @01:58AM (#14029904)
Garadget is a "cloud-enabled garage door opener" sold for $99 on Amazon.

The manufacturer seemingly disabled the product, or primary advertised features of the product, in retribution for a short negative review left on Amazon.

IMO Amazon should immediately drop the product when they catch wind of that, and so should any other retailer that carries it. The manufacturer's abused their relationship with the retailer (which now has to handle a return of a perfectly good device they sold) and the customers (who now have to fear retribution for reviewing products they purchased at retailers).

Regardless of whether the content of the review was justified or not, this probably won't go well for Garadget, whoever he is. A journalist has already reached out to the customer.

I can sympathize with being frustrated with customers. It takes a lot of self-control to remain professional at times. If you don't have that kind of self-control, you need to hire someone else to do customer support that does, or you won't have a very successful business. Being the boss doesn't mean there are no repercussions for your actions.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by _Codemonkeyism on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:42AM (#14030098)
Amazon lets far worse things go unnoticed, like fake medical products. Why? Because of the money.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by tajen on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @03:44AM (#14030375)
Amazon has already bricked a Kindle (and the full user account) because it had "a pirate PDF", according to their automations.

Just, don't but from Amazon. Even Alibaba is better.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by msh on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:07AM (#14030489)
Do you have a reference? Googling dont reveal any cases, only people speculating if they might do it.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by a3_nm on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:14AM (#14030519)
The closest analogue I know is Amazon remotely wiping books from customer devices when Amazon noticed that they did not have the right to sell them in the first place: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18ama... (Ironically, the books were by Orwell.) There was a lawsuit which was settled http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/techflash/2009/09/am... and apologies from Amazon which said they would not do it again (this was in 2009) http://mashable.com/2009/07/17/amazon-remote-delete/.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by NotSammyHagar on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @07:09AM (#14031360)
Yes, that was a mistake, and they said it was a mistake, and they won't do it again. So you can't use this as a general example of how amazon behaves - unless you are arguing they listen and try to fix mistaken behavior.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by a3_nm on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @02:47AM (#14040237)
No matter how benevolent Amazon may be, it is still problematic that, when you "buy" an ebook with them, they are technically able to remove it from your ebook reader. This is bad even if they only use this power when they mess up or when they are legally compelled to do it (an option they still explicitly allow for). So even if they apologized and promised not to do it again, the point still stands...
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by tajen on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @05:42AM (#14030903)
Yes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4682392 . There are speculations on whether the Kindle was actually wiped or whether she just couldn't use it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4684392
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by r3bl on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @05:58AM (#14030976)
Wow, seems like it really is the case.

Well, turns out my strategy of de-DRMing Kindle books[0] is more than a good suggestion, just to be on the safe side.

Under my moral compass, after I have purchased one edition of the book, I have the right to convert it to whatever the hell I want.

https://github.com/apprenticeharper/DeDRM_tools/

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by herbst on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @07:56AM (#14031584)
Aliexpress is build on escrow. I don't think amazon is even trying to beat that kind trust.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by abcd_f on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @06:12AM (#14031043)
> A journalist has already reached out to the customer.

Then let's hope the journalist won't forget to talk to Garadget as well.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by lightbritefight on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @11:47AM (#14033927)
Why? He listed his reasons for the ban in the thread. He though the customer was rude, so he disabled the $100 device he sold.

Gradget just now deleted a comment recommending contacting Amazon and the US attorney general, and has locked the thread.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by dovdovdov on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:18AM (#14029991)
Their domain still leads to an indigogo page.

People should avoid startups those use crowdfunding websites as risk free capital gainer preorder pages.

They don't get proper investment for a reason.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by gingerbread-man on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:44AM (#14030104)
> They don't get proper investment for a reason.

That's not always true. Ergodox-ez.com has an awesome product (a keyboard) they funded through indiegogo. Not to mention basically every 3d printer company, even the VC funded ones.

Crowdfunding (and pre-ordering in general) helps hardware startups raise the cash they need to manufacture a batch of product. Without it, they'd have to raise the full cost of the batch in advance, (which is probably a lot,) on the hope that customers will buy it up. I can't think of many startups that have that much goodwill from investors.

It makes sense to be extremely skeptical when giving your money to an early-stage company, whether as an investor or a pre-order customer. But writing off crowdfunding in general means you're writing off almost every hardware startup, including some of the great ones.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by yellowapple on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @12:02PM (#14034100)
Speaking of the keyboard world, there's also the extreme of the crowdfunding concept: sites like Massdrop that emphasize crowdfunding individual batches of a product (almost always one-off) rather than aiming for eventual mass-production and general availability. It apparently seems to be working for some people, but as someone who doesn't follow every last Massdrop deal, it just seems more annoying than useful as a business practice.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by Gracana on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @01:16PM (#14035037)
It's definitely better for customers if you have a constant supply of products to sell, but for niche hobbyist groups (like mechanical keyboard enthusiasts), it's the only way to get some stuff made. I like it. I was able to get a keyboard PCB fairly inexpensively, which is a big deal because getting one-offs of PCBs that size costs $$$.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by yunolisten on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @11:12AM (#14042669)
Ergodox-ez.com sure make a big deal about being 'open source', yet I can't find a schematic, PCB design or anything related to this on their site. Perhaps I'm missing something?

What I do see is they use an open source firmware, used on several other keyboards.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by cyberferret on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:29AM (#14030051)
Seriously? What about companies that emphatically don't want to sell off a large percentage of their company and their souls to a board of venture capitalists and the like?
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by madeofpalk on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:34AM (#14030066)
Then bootstrap and self-fund.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by cyberferret on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:41AM (#14030092)
One thing for a software or services based company, but if you are a product based company that needs significant capital investment to get production started, and you haven't got any credit history to be able to get a bank loan, then crowd funding seems to be a legitimate way to go. Plus you get the added bonus of getting marketplace validation from your actual customers if they fork out the money to subscribe to you.

First responder to this thread was pretty much lambasting all projects that opt for the crowd funding pathway, which I think is a grossly unfair judgement call.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by madeofpalk on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @10:54PM (#14047562)
Then talk to investors to take investment.

I don't think its unreasonable that someone who takes a risk on giving you money in your infancy to realise your product should get some equity or something else from it that's more than just a "preorder".

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by quadrangle on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @12:13PM (#14034248)
It's crazy how many people do not realize that "bootstrap" as in "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" is a sarcastic MOCKERY of that sort of sentiment. It's like we need new idioms. Here's a suggestion: "This poor new mother doesn't need welfare, she can live off her own milk!" I bet it would take a long time before "live off your own milk" degrades to being taken non-sarcastically…
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by dovdovdov on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @08:27AM (#14031787)
They should exploit consumers I guess.........
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Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by dang on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @12:39AM (#14039682)
Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? We've asked you this before.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by _pmf_ on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:19AM (#14030000)
> I can sympathize with being frustrated with customers. It takes a lot of self-control to remain professional at times.

That's why you shell out customer service to disillusioned minimum wage drones: they hate you as much as the customer, which creates a subconscious empathic link.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by CaliforniaKarl on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:13AM (#14029971)
According to the Amazon.com page for the item, it ships from and is sold by the manufacturer. So it's not a proper Amazon item, it's an Amazon Marketplace item.

In this case, I don't think Amazon even is the retailer, they're just the platform, in the same sense as eBay/PayPal.

Also, the guy (presumably guy) has said to return the product for a refund, so things will pretty much be zeroed out, unless the customer doesn't go through with it.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by vidarh on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @05:39AM (#14030881)
But this now means that no Amazon reviews of this product are remotely trustworthy for the simple reason that they have made public that bad reviews risks getting your device bricked.

To me that means their products are now inherently suspect.