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Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by dovdovdov on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:18AM (#14029991)
Their domain still leads to an indigogo page.

People should avoid startups those use crowdfunding websites as risk free capital gainer preorder pages.

They don't get proper investment for a reason.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by gingerbread-man on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:44AM (#14030104)
> They don't get proper investment for a reason.

That's not always true. Ergodox-ez.com has an awesome product (a keyboard) they funded through indiegogo. Not to mention basically every 3d printer company, even the VC funded ones.

Crowdfunding (and pre-ordering in general) helps hardware startups raise the cash they need to manufacture a batch of product. Without it, they'd have to raise the full cost of the batch in advance, (which is probably a lot,) on the hope that customers will buy it up. I can't think of many startups that have that much goodwill from investors.

It makes sense to be extremely skeptical when giving your money to an early-stage company, whether as an investor or a pre-order customer. But writing off crowdfunding in general means you're writing off almost every hardware startup, including some of the great ones.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by yellowapple on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @12:02PM (#14034100)
Speaking of the keyboard world, there's also the extreme of the crowdfunding concept: sites like Massdrop that emphasize crowdfunding individual batches of a product (almost always one-off) rather than aiming for eventual mass-production and general availability. It apparently seems to be working for some people, but as someone who doesn't follow every last Massdrop deal, it just seems more annoying than useful as a business practice.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by Gracana on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @01:16PM (#14035037)
It's definitely better for customers if you have a constant supply of products to sell, but for niche hobbyist groups (like mechanical keyboard enthusiasts), it's the only way to get some stuff made. I like it. I was able to get a keyboard PCB fairly inexpensively, which is a big deal because getting one-offs of PCBs that size costs $$$.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by yunolisten on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @11:12AM (#14042669)
Ergodox-ez.com sure make a big deal about being 'open source', yet I can't find a schematic, PCB design or anything related to this on their site. Perhaps I'm missing something?

What I do see is they use an open source firmware, used on several other keyboards.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by cyberferret on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:29AM (#14030051)
Seriously? What about companies that emphatically don't want to sell off a large percentage of their company and their souls to a board of venture capitalists and the like?
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by madeofpalk on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:34AM (#14030066)
Then bootstrap and self-fund.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by cyberferret on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:41AM (#14030092)
One thing for a software or services based company, but if you are a product based company that needs significant capital investment to get production started, and you haven't got any credit history to be able to get a bank loan, then crowd funding seems to be a legitimate way to go. Plus you get the added bonus of getting marketplace validation from your actual customers if they fork out the money to subscribe to you.

First responder to this thread was pretty much lambasting all projects that opt for the crowd funding pathway, which I think is a grossly unfair judgement call.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by madeofpalk on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @10:54PM (#14047562)
Then talk to investors to take investment.

I don't think its unreasonable that someone who takes a risk on giving you money in your infancy to realise your product should get some equity or something else from it that's more than just a "preorder".

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by quadrangle on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @12:13PM (#14034248)
It's crazy how many people do not realize that "bootstrap" as in "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" is a sarcastic MOCKERY of that sort of sentiment. It's like we need new idioms. Here's a suggestion: "This poor new mother doesn't need welfare, she can live off her own milk!" I bet it would take a long time before "live off your own milk" degrades to being taken non-sarcastically…
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by dovdovdov on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @08:27AM (#14031787)
They should exploit consumers I guess.........
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Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by dang on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @12:39AM (#14039682)
Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? We've asked you this before.