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Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by electrum on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @02:11AM (#13974493)
Get LASIK. Having perfect eyesight and not having to deal with contacts or glasses is worth every penny.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by bognition on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:13AM (#13975617)
I did and within a decade my eyes reverted to their original prescription
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by pc86 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @08:28AM (#13975974)
This is not normal by any means.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by jachee on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @10:31AM (#13976834)
As someone with average -13 diopter correction, I've been told by my trusted ophthalmologist that I'm a bad candidate for LASIK, due to the fact that my eyes being so long will just push the correction back out over time.

Sounds like your parent comment's doc may not have been 100% accurate with their candidacy, or—the more cynical answer—wasn't 100% honest.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by amalag on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @01:10PM (#13978417)
Checkout laserfitlens.com. I am not affiliated, but was considering instead of the PRK that I did. Scleral lenses are can be very useful for high corrections like yours.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by massysett on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @01:13PM (#13978453)
No way. Too much risk regardless of the reward. My vision is fully correctable. After LASIK, my vision might not be fully correctable. Since I need to see to do my job, this is not a risk I will ever take.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by driverdan on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:18AM (#13976289)
Myself and many of my former coworkers got LASIK last year. Use or lose HRA = cheap LASIK.

Everyone seemed very happy, myself included. Halos are no worse than with contacts (maybe better). After recovery use of eye drops for dryness is no more frequent than with contacts.

If you live in the northeast US consider getting it done in Canada. I knew a few people who went to Toronto to have it done for half the price.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by perfectstorm on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:53AM (#13976549)
How much was it in Toronto ? I was quoted $5k+ in the South Bay area.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by NoNotTheDuo on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @12:47PM (#13978205)
Christ, come to KC for your surgery. I paid just over $3k for my eyes to be done a few years ago. Was one of the best purchases I've ever made.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by nojvek on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:06PM (#13981710)
I paid $200 in India for LASIK 7 years ago when I was visiting grandparents. Perfect vision till today, no problems.

I generally find US prices 20X for most routine procedures.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by wayn3 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:06PM (#13981713)
what happens in india when they screw it up?
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by woliveirajr on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @08:50AM (#13976103)
My surgery was pretty good, but just for 2 years. Then astigmatism returned in a higher degree and instead of myopia I got hypermetropia (but to a much smaller degree).

YMMV, of course.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by feintruled on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @05:30AM (#13975224)
Amen, brother. I struggled with contacts for the longest time, ditching them and getting lasered was the biggest life upgrade I could've imagined. Small haloing at night is a tiny price to pay.

Everyone is different of course. My contacts were getting increasingly uncomfortable for me, so it made sense in my situation.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by Humdeee on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @10:23AM (#13976763)
To this day, LASIK has been by dollar value, far and away the best thing I've ever done. I've been the tipping point to convince a few of my friends to get it done as well. I have no side effects, a few years after.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by eps on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @02:14AM (#13974504)
A risk of ending up with halos is not worth it.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by ada1981 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @08:07AM (#13975844)
If you get LASEK vs. LASIK halos aren't a problem. I had LASEK done perhaps 8 years ago, and my eyes went from 20/400 to 20/15 overnight.

The entire procedure was incredible including an HD prescription profile generated by scanning your entire eye.

The process is $4k-$5k but with financing comes down to about the same you spend on glasses or contacts annually.

No risk of halos as there is no "flap" cut like with LASIK, no chance it will come loose, and more accurate vision than you could ever achieve with lenses.

The quality of life upgrade is incredible, no scratchy eyes, no falling asleep and waking up with stinging eyes, and for sports it's incredible.

I can't explain what going from 20/400 to 20/15 is like, but basically I walked around manhattan for 6 months feeling like I was on LSD in awe of being able to see the mortar between bricks on the tops of buildings.

I found the best LASEK surgeon in the country and have brought in friends / CEOs from other states and introduced them with incredible results.

If anyone wants more info, an intro, etc. let me know and I can probably get you $500 or $1k off if you end up doing it.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by MR4D on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @08:21AM (#13975935)
To add to this, not only does the current technology not have halos, but your peripheral vision will increase as well.

I had mine done a few years ago on a state of the art machine (at the time), called the Allegretto Wave Laser. No blades - just one laser to cut the flap, and another to shape the lens.

Result - in 17 seconds (per eye time of the laser doing it's work), I went from 20/400 with a bad astigmatism to 20/15. A week later it had improved to 20/10 in one eye, and 20/12 in the other. Overall, it took 5 minutes or less of time laying down, including all adjustments.

This year celebrates 10 years without glasses, and I am finally needing to start looking at reading glasses for some situations (small print at a close distance). The great thing is that I have thick corneas, and they can actually shape them again to get rid of that as well - which I'll do in a couple years when I hit 50.

The only greater miracle I have had is the birth of my son. If you can, I highly recommend it.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by shpx on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @10:20AM (#13976749)
If you're considering this, you might want to read the comments on [0][1][2], wikipedia[3] maybe also a bit about how this surgery is marketed [4]

Personally, I wouldn't get any surgery with a marketing department on principle.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13024352

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9941566

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5218268

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photorefractive_keratectomy#Co...

[4] http://www.healio.com/ophthalmology/news/print/ocular-surger...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12637420

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by ada1981 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @10:52AM (#13977024)
I will say, aside from the quality of the surgery and the awesome outcome -- the "marketing" for this is intense and actually feels crazy to me.

I suppose this is because the machine is expensive and you need to recoop your investment, plus most people are being sold glasses and contacts from their doctor as that is the default.

It does take effort to educate people about new options and it's an elective surgery where if you go with the alternative you don't really know what you are missing...

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by mgkimsal on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @01:41PM (#13978742)
> The process is $4k-$5k but with financing comes down to about the same you spend on glasses or contacts annually.

My eyes aren't perfect, but I've spent about $500 on glasses in 10 years. How much do others spend? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around financing $5k for eyes (not saying it bad, just not close to my experience).

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by ada1981 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @03:18PM (#13979732)
I was spending a few hundred a year on exams, contacts and backup glasses.

Outside of that, having the equivalent of HD vision is worth every penny.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by mgkimsal on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:56PM (#13983266)
interesting. i guess it's certainly possible, thinking about it, to spend that much. I may just be lucky (so far) that I've not needed that much.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by kale on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:32AM (#13976387)
So I'm reading that LASEK still cuts a flap, just a thinner one than LASIK. It also appears to have a longer healing time than LASIK[0].

It does appear to have fewer complications with the flap, since it's a thinner one, and less chance of hazing.

[0]http://www.the-lasik-directory.com/lasik_lasek_chart.html

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by amalag on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @01:12PM (#13978433)
I did PRK which is the original procedure before LASIK because the thought of a flap is too scary for me. From what I understand PRK has better long term recovery but short term it takes more time.

People want LASIK for the convenience, almost no recovery time. With PRK I took 1 week off work and the next week was bad too. Then more discomfort for upto 6 months. After that it's great.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by ada1981 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:12AM (#13977235)
LASEK actually dissolves the epithelium, which is a protective skin layer that regenerates vs. LASIK which cuts and then re-attaches a flap.
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Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by tamcap on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:37AM (#13976426)
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Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by xienze on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @02:33AM (#13974566)
Or worse. It's the reason I'll never have the surgery... the risk is very small but if something were to happen to my eyesight it would be devastating. Glasses aren't so bad.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by Freak_NL on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @03:37AM (#13974794)
It's also just not necessary for most of us four-eyes. The costs of the surgery appear to be about what I would pay for 40 years worth of glasses (I buy a new pair once every four years or so), so it won't safe me money — or not a lot.

I'm so used to glasses that I might not even be more comfortable or live a more convenient life (and glasses are simply part of my identity after nearly 30 years of wearing them).

So there is very little (to no) incentive to actually get surgery to correct my eyesight. But the surgery is not without risks, as small as they may be, so there is a disincentive.

I can imagine that this is different for people who wear lenses because they are slightly more cumbersome.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by grinich on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @03:02AM (#13974659)
The complication risk of modern LASIK is actually nearly identical to wearing contacts every day.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by gambiting on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:10AM (#13974929)
Sure. But halos seem pretty common - every person I know who got LASIK done in the past 10 years experiences got them to some extent, my dad almost had a nervous breakdown because for the first year after the surgery the halos were so bad he couldn't really drive at night - they sort of faded away with time but he said they were always there and in hindsight, he wouldn't have selected surgery.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by phil21 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:48AM (#13976512)
Certainly a risk. This is one of those areas where watching the latest tech development is worthwhile, as it's moving rapidly.

I got a laser-only procedure done about 5 years ago now, and it's been the best decision of my life. I had halos for about 6-12mo, but I also had minor halos before the surgery too - so I really haven't noticed much of a difference.

One thing you should either really really do, or really really don't do (I still can't decide) is walk the Vegas strip at night the day after surgery like I did. You will have major halos/starbursts at that point, and it's the closest to a random private laser show as I've ever gotten in life. I suppose drugs may be less risky and cheaper though...

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by dotancohen on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:46AM (#13975762)
> every person I know who got LASIK done in the past 10 years experiences got them to some extent

Were they all treated at the same local clinic perchance? The problem might be with the clinic or doctor.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by gambiting on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:55AM (#13975798)
Nope - in fact, they weren't even done in the same country.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by wuschel on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:52AM (#13975087)
Was is a particular technique or doctor? Just wondering re the quality of treatment.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by nommm-nommm on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:32AM (#13975702)
This was on HN some months ago.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13024352

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:30AM (#13975002)
Either of you have sources on these frequencies?
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by gambiting on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:39AM (#13975041)
I would be a bit difficult to give source on my personal friends and my dad, it's an anecdote :P Treat it like everything on the internet said by a random person - with caution. Just because everyone I know who got LASIK done has halos doesn't mean it's commonplace - could be just a coincidence.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by grinich on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:28AM (#13977402)
Findings from the Casey Eye Institute:

http://www.ohsu.edu/xd/health/services/casey-eye/clinical-se...

It's also worth noting that LASIK has improved drastically over the past 10 years. Bladeless procedures, wavefront imaging, femtosecond lasers, etc.

http://ophthalmologytimes.modernmedicine.com/ophthalmologyti...

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by creshal on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:43AM (#13975058)
And that's why I wear glasses.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by jsymolon on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:04AM (#13975581)
I went from glasses and astigmatism to LASIK and halos.

I would still do it again and recommend it.

The quality of life improvement is tremendous and the amount of money saved on not getting the glasses re-done every year offsets the cost of the LASIK.

Halos, really only at night, is corrected by wearing a yellow tint "sunglass" aka shooters glasses while driving.

Plus my SO really doesn't like my driving, so i chill out in the passenger seat anyway. They feel more in control and i can get some sleep.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by nommm-nommm on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:28AM (#13975681)
This makes no sense, unless you were a kid why would you have to get your glasses "re-done" every year? I've been wearing the same prescription for a decade and the same plastic frames for seven years. I go to the ophthalmologist every two years to get my optic drusen looked at and my corrected vision is fine. If I didn't go for my drusen I would have no reason to go. If your vision is so unstable that you were getting a new prescription every year then you are an likely a very poor candidate​ for LASIK and your LASIK vision would just revert anyways.

The only time I had to get a new prescription every few months was when I was a child so my vision was changing rapidly.

>Halos, really only at night, is corrected by wearing a yellow tint "sunglass" aka shooters glasses while driving.

Please do not wear these glasses while driving. They are dangerous [1]

[1] https://trid.trb.org/view.aspx?id=113228

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by ohbleek on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:51AM (#13975784)
I'm not sure where you get your Informaton but for one, in order to re-order contact lenses you must have a current rx (within 1-2 years) and it is standard to get an eye exam every year. Many people have eyesight that progressively gets worse and require a new rx yearly.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by nommm-nommm on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:43AM (#13976466)
If your vision is so unstable you need a new RX every year your LASIK isn't going to last very long. Hence you probably are a very poor candidate for LASIK and it makes no sense from a strictly financial sense.

Unless you wear contacts, which can get pretty expensive, but probably not as expensive as LASIK that lasts 10 years.

I'm not sure why you'd get an eye exam every year unless you were having problems or needed a new prescription.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by pc86 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @08:33AM (#13975996)
> Many people have eyesight that progressively gets worse and require a new rx yearly.

And many people have had the same prescription for 4-5 years or more, and don't have eyes that continue to get worse.

I think the GP's point was that either your eyes continue to get worse every year, and you need new glasses, and LASIK probably won't last forever, or you don't, and LASIK is a one-time expense that will take quite a while to break even on in a strictly financial sense.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by nommm-nommm on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @10:07AM (#13976656)
Yes, exactly, thank you.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by greenshackle2 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:57AM (#13977686)
> it is standard to get an eye exam every year

I'm sure your ophthamologist will be happy to recommend getting exams as often as possible, like your dentist.

I've had the same prescription for 10 years. I had the same glasses for 10 years until I bought new ones for cheap on the internet this year using a 3 year old prescription.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by maxsilver on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:32AM (#13976390)
> This makes no sense, unless you were a kid why would you have to get your glasses "re-done" every year?

I don't know about the parent poster above, but my vision is slowly but consistently getting worse every year, for the last five years now. I get my glasses "re-done" each year because my prescription has changed (gotten slightly stronger) each year, and it's cheaper to get new glasses than to re-lens old ones.

If I didn't stare at a screen for 60 hours a week, minor prescription changes might not matter so much. But since I do, wearing a prescription that's only slightly off can still cause some headaches or eye pain.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by nommm-nommm on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @10:06AM (#13976653)
In that case LASIK isn't going to last long, hence you're a poor candidate for LASIK if you're needing a new prescription that often.

I just looked it up and the LASIK website said a stable prescription for at least two years is required.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by jsymolon on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:35AM (#13977477)
Just hit the over 40 bump ... readers are necessary.

I went from needed bifocals to just readers and in 15 years; of wearing 1+ to 1.25+. Now, for fine detail work, i look like the guy from Toy Story 2 with magnifiers up to +4. SMTs are tiny !

Normal computer work, still +1s. I do need a lot more light though.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by phil21 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:34AM (#13976405)
I got LASIK, and I had stable vision. It's saved me thousands of dollars now.

Not everyone is as careful and/or inactive as you :)

I've lost more pair of prescription sunglasses at the bottom of the ocean/lakes within a few years than you seem to have owned in total over the course of a decade. Basically glasses to me meant $500/yr in replacements due to breakage or losing them in various situations. Yes, completely my fault and preventable - but just not who I am. After beating myself up about this for years, I just realized I have better things to do with my brain cycles than keep track of glasses.

For me LASIK was an amazing quality of life improvement, and while I didn't do it for the financial benefits it's certainly paid for itself a few times over 6 years later.

Edit: This is also completely ignoring the pita of keeping your glasses clean throughout the day. I know from experience most people aren't bothered by dirty glasses (ugh, this is super distracting in meetings for me) but I cannot stand it. I'll replace cheap sunglasses that get a single scratch on them it's so distracting to me.

Plus stuff like being able to do things like buy 10 pair of knockoff sunglasses for $15 vs. a $200 prescription set. Or being able to actually watch 3D movies that don't completely suck. Or go off-roading and wear a mask comfortably. Or go diving. The list goes on. For those who can't wear contacts, I can't imagine not getting LASIK if it were an option.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by nommm-nommm on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:49AM (#13976523)
I was replying to the person who needs new glasses because of unstable vision and strictly from a financial perspective.

I know it's common for adults to change vision but usually once a year is a frequency more seen in children and teens. At least from my experience talking to people and being in an ophthalmologist chair since infancy. I was a frequent flyer at the ophthalmologist's office as a child (once a month was common for a while) and I had lots of questions.

EDIT: I haven't actually heard a lot about the elderly so I don't know their typical frequency of vision change. The only data point I have is a 60 year old I knew who got LASIK and was back in glasses in about 2 years.

On an unrelated note, I went to the same ophthalmologist for 20 years and it was eerie how it never changed. The ophthalmologist always looked the same, he always had the same staff and they looked the same, and the office didn't change. After a while it was like stepping into a time machine when I went there.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by mcguire on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @12:56PM (#13978298)
Between the ages of 12-25 or so, my sight got progressively worse and I needed a new prescription roughly every year. For the next 15 years, my sight stabilized at -8.5. For the last few years, my prescription has decreased slowly (I'm -6.75 now, which is a little inconvenient).

Until I started wearing contacts, I got new lenses for my glasses every year.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by jsymolon on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:30AM (#13977433)
1 study back in ... 1953 / 1957 ? the technology of headlights really changed in the past 15 years not to mention 70.

For me, it cuts down on the amount of glare from those HIDs and maladjusted headlights.

"PURKINJE SHIFT" is the shift of frequencies that an dark adjusted eye is sensitive to; basically, a dark adjusted eye is more sensitive to blue.

Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by bussie on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @08:33AM (#13975998)
Side effects include potential dry eye, ectasia and glare at night time.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by _jal on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @10:23AM (#13976765)
"...but after twenty years, your eyes fall out!"
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by ollie87 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:22AM (#13977342)
Problem solved then.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by yourapostasy on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:57AM (#13975114)
Presbyopia, and I depend upon both eyes for coding work, so monovision correction is not workable for me (I'd end up wearing glasses for a significant fraction of my waking hours anyways). I'm following the results of the IntraCor procedure, which so far are promising.
Re:A lawsuit over Costco golf balls by wcummings on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @08:26AM (#13985336)
Meh, glasses are easy and work fine if you're not into sports or something, I don't see any reason to get surgery.