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Re:Don’t let your anger persist by PravlageTiem on Monday October 17, 2016 @09:50PM (#12731415)
Western culture is so obsessed about suppressing anger at all costs. Like each person is a nuclear weapon that needs to be aggressively contained or else the entire fabric of civilization will collapse.

Anger exists for a reason and it exists for good reasons. The manifestation of anger means some model you are holding onto is no longer in sync with reality and that resynchronization costs more than your time preferences will allow. (Using the authors scenario, your expectation was for a reasonably timed phone call, not a 35 minute wait.)

It's not that anger is wrong. The anger is correct. The expectation was wrong. The West automatically assumes all instances of anger are permanently wrong, and this child-like ritual prevents one from appreciated the value of anger as a compulsion that tells you in no uncertain terms that your expectation is completely out of whack and you need to either cut your losses or resynchronize the expectation.

Anger becomes fuel for remodeling reality once you understand what is is trying to tell you. Putting taboos up around it prevents this realization, which in turn, creates people who are trained to perpetually cling to false models of reality out of fear of violating the taboo.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by CuriouslyC on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @12:09AM (#12732000)
Anger is our emotional mechanism to tap into strength and endurance reserves, while simultaneously suppressing pain. It is adaptive when you're fighting for the life of yourself or a loved one. It causes tunnel-vision, and it is not really a healthy state in general though, so it is definitely maladaptive if you aren't about to engage in some sort of physical conflict. You can recognize something is wrong, and be motivated to do something about it without getting angry, and generally things turn out better if you can avoid anger.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by namaemuta on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @03:58AM (#12732808)
I totally agree with you except for the part of avoiding angry. It shouldn't be avoided but redirected towards something more useful. For example it's a great fuel for lifting weights at the gym.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by saiya-jin on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @05:16AM (#12733023)
I would be cautious about that, there are even warnings about this approach around the web. Reason - if pissed off, you might push yourself a bit too much and risk of injury is much, much greater since your mind wants to fly (or see those barbells fly sky high), but your body is exactly same as usual, with it's weak spots.

if you end up injured while trying to get some steam off, now that would piss and disappoint many.

so gym yes, but I would put a bit lower weights, or go for some cardio

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by r_smart on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @02:43PM (#12737422)
Most strength training programs prescribe how much weight you're going to lift on any given day. I can tell you how much I'm going to lift today, and I can tell you how much I'm going to lift on Friday. In that context the anger makes it easier to succeed, but doesn't pose much, if any threat. I'm not going to put extra weight on the bar, beyond what I was scheduled to attempt.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by namaemuta on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @06:34AM (#12733296)
Thanks for the remark, that's totally true.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by zamalek on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @05:24AM (#12733050)
Right, acknowledge the anger and move past it. It's like stress-related issues, your mind/body is telling you that there is a problem that needs to be resolved.

If something repeatedly causes anger or stress it might be a good idea to re-evaluate whether you need that thing in your life. Stuck in a 35-minute queue? It might be time to take your business elsewhere. Angry and motivated often go hand-in-hand.

Fix the problem, don't dwell on the emotion.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by truth_sentinell on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:00AM (#12733599)
Well yeah but you don't carry around a dumbell, do you? Anger is a waste of energy and very dangerous in most of the cases. It should be avoided at all costs unless you're going into a fight and don't have any other choice.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the OP of this line of commentary. Saying anger is good and one should embrace it is a really bad suggestion.

Anger makes you blind, it fogs your rational thinking and makes you do things you'll probably regret afterwards.

So, avoid it and think rationally.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by namaemuta on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:54AM (#12733887)
IIRC, there's a Terry Pratchett's quote that says something like this: "(...)you should be afraid of that cashier at the supermarket that quietly is being yelled all the time until one day he appears with a shotgun".

The worst thing you can do is avoiding anger because sooner or later you'll explode. Learn to handle it or burn all that excess of energy on something useful but never avoid it.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by ptero on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:18AM (#12733684)
There is a big difference IMO between avoiding anger and suppressing it, especially for a long time. If one can avoid anger, great; no need to get artificially angry (if one knows he will likely be on hold for 45 minutes, he can call during a less busy time or pick a service that supports callbacks).

Suppressing anger for a while (by self-distraction, leading yourself to see the other side of the coin, whatever) might be worse than stepping out for 30 seconds and letting go (e.g., by laying waste to a plastic cup). My 2c.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by Cpoll on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @11:57AM (#12735699)
There's a notion that venting your anger only rewards it and conditions you to further anger (and outbursts).
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by hanspeter on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:58AM (#12733915)
Suppressing anger is something else. If you suppress anger, you still feel angry inside but do an effort not to express it. This is likely not healthy in the long run and I don't think this method has any substantial support.

However you can remove anger by acknowledging your feelings, recognizing them as a fruitless and unnecessary state of mind and then letting go. This requires practice but when you succeed you'll see benefits in mood and likely also in stress levels and long term health.

It's not about assuming that anger is wrong. It's about understanding that anger rarely has any benefits.

It's also ironic that you see the Western culture as particular obsessed with suppressing anger. Our media and culture has become increasingly more angry and less inhibited the recent decades. I have the experience that people are more aggressive and ranting than ever. Just take the current presidential election as an example. We have the most hostile climate around the candidates ever and the media and the people love it.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by zallarak on Monday October 17, 2016 @10:06PM (#12731490)
Disagree - it's not just western culture.

“Protect yourself from anger for its beginning is insanity and its end is remorse.”

- Ali (Islam)

"When anger rises, think of the consequences."

- Confucius (Chinese Philosophy)

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by craigbaker on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @12:06AM (#12731983)
I don't think the Confucius quote is real, but there are a few relevant ones:

"Not being angry at someone who doesn't know, isn't this a Gentleman?" 人不知而不愠,不亦君子乎?

"Ji Wenzi thought three times before acting. Confucius heard this, and said 'twice is enough'." 季文子三思而后行。子闻之曰:“再,斯可矣。”

In the specific context of his student Zi Zhang asking Confucius about how to get an official salary, he responded: "Hear much and put aside the points of which you stand in doubt, while you speak cautiously at the same time of the others:—then you will afford few occasions for blame. See much and put aside the things which seem perilous, while you are cautious at the same time in carrying the others into practice:—then you will have few occasions for repentance. When one gives few occasions for blame in his words, and few occasions for repentance in his conduct, he is in the way to get emolument." (tr. Legge)

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by seizethecheese on Monday October 17, 2016 @11:08PM (#12731724)
Surely every culture will have anti-anger norms and literature. The parent comment is claiming that in western culture we take it to an unhealthy extreme.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by sanmon3186 on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @01:22PM (#12736697)
I am an easterner who spent a few years in USA. In the beginning, I sort of liked how people seemed in control of their emotions in situations which would make me visibly angry. No one displayed their anger/frustration to the extent I am used to. This may be anecdotal but with time I observed that deep inside they lingered these emotions more than I would do, which as you implied, is unhealthy.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by gerbilly on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @07:39AM (#12733525)
And in buddhism anger is considered one of the three poisons, along with ignorance and greed it is considered the root of suffering.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvesha_(Buddhism)

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by Tosh108 on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @07:54AM (#12733579)
There's a difference between discontent or frustration and hate & aversion. In buddhist view: hate and aversion will create enormously negative mindstates that will cause suffering to the person acting on this emotion. But the vajrayana schools (mainly tibet) also claim that there is clarity and energy in this emotion, and if it can be detached from ego it can be transformed to a positive "wisdom". I think this view encaptures the sentiment of both people here, anger can be positive, but also very negative.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by AlexCoventry on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:25AM (#12734624)

  > the vajrayana schools (mainly tibet) also claim that there is clarity and
  > energy in this emotion
That's probably because Tibetan Buddhism became a tool of political domination.

The earliest Buddhist records explicitly recommend suppressing anger, even by sheer force of will if necessary (but only as a last resort.)

  If evil, unskillful thoughts — imbued with desire, aversion or delusion —
  still arise in the monk while he is attending to the relaxing of
  thought-fabrication with regard to those thoughts, then — with his teeth
  clenched and his tongue pressed against the roof of his mouth — he should beat
  down, constrain, and crush his mind with his awareness. As — with his teeth
  clenched and his tongue pressed against the roof of his mouth — he is beating
  down, constraining, and crushing his mind with his awareness, those evil,
  unskillful thoughts are abandoned and subside. With their abandoning, he
  steadies his mind right within, settles it, unifies it, and concentrates it.
  Just as a strong man, seizing a weaker man by the head or the throat or the
  shoulders, would beat him down, constrain, and crush him; in the same way, if
  evil, unskillful thoughts — imbued with desire, aversion or delusion — still
  arise in the monk while he is attending to the relaxing of thought-fabrication
  with regard to those thoughts, then — with his teeth clenched and his tongue
  pressed against the roof of his mouth — he should beat down, constrain, and
  crush his mind with his awareness.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.020.than.html
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by webnrrd2k on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @05:57PM (#12748063)
Characterizing Tibetian Buddhism, practiced by many people around the world, as "a tool of political domination" is, to say the least, a bit of a stretch...

One obvious counter point is that the Dalai Lama, as the main representative of Tibetian Buddhism, is far more interested in political reconciliation than any sort of political domination. There are no tibetian lamas Buddhists that I know that seem interested in political domination. Quite the opposite, in fact. They are generally the most accomodating and open minded people. I know.

Also, I think the quote you are using is misleading for several reasons. First, for several paragraphs befor the exerpt, that particular sutta talks about being skillful with regard to those thoughts, abandoning them, ignoring them, questioning them, and being mindful of them without reacting to them. Also that passage is from a later translation of an early text, and the passage about crushing down or forcing your thoughts doesn't exist in the earlier text itself. This strongly suggests that beating down unskillful thoughts wasn't an original teaching, but was added later by a translator.

One last point, in general the idea of forcing your mind to do anything in particular isn't in-line with Buddhist teachings.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by AlexCoventry on Thursday October 20, 2016 @12:39PM (#12753873)

  > that passage is from a later translation of an early 
  > text, and the passage about crushing down or forcing your 
  > thoughts doesn't exist in the earlier text itself
Where can I read more about this?
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by Tosh108 on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @04:12AM (#12741998)
That's quiete a leap there. True, there were a lot of politics in Tibet, same for all the other buddhist countries. But to counter your point: anger is probably best surpressed if you want to easily dominate people.

Your sutra is from the theravada traditions. The vajrayana tradition is not recognized by the theravada tradition, the vajrayana does recognise the theravada sutra's, but in vajrayana there are a bit more tools for dealing with disturbing emotions. How that came to be is a discussion on it's own.

The method in your passage is recommended often as a last resort in these schools. So I'm not claiming you should let anger run it's free course, definitely not, better there are other ways of dealing with it.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by AlexCoventry on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @12:38PM (#12745302)
It's not a leap for anyone prepared to do some independent research, or consider the profound contradictions between Buddhist spiritual goals and the realpolitik necessary to forge and maintain a nation state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Tibet_controversy#P...

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by gerbilly on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:15PM (#12739875)
>if it can be detached from ego it can be transformed to a positive "wisdom".

I doubt it can be detached from the ego in anyone but the most advanced practitioners, if at all.

Anger creates a cognitive bias and narrows your attention to the object of threat. It distorts your perceptions.

I think the best way to handle anger is to acknowledge it and consciously try to let it go. Even the strongest anger will dissipate this way, because in order for anger to persist it has to be maintained by rumination on the object of the anger.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by Tosh108 on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @04:23AM (#12742049)
You're right, if you don't give the emotion any energy it will not persist very long, simple but hard.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by jfoutz on Monday October 17, 2016 @10:59PM (#12731689)
Anger in person can be effective and helpful. Not violence, just anger. I prefer disappointment, that I wish you had tried harder kind of feeling.

Anger only has a useful effect on people with power. Being mad at a phone rep is pointless. Being mad at an enterprise sales person that you've worked with for months can change things.

But they have to have some power. Never kick puppies.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by ZoF on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @01:51AM (#12732411)
Yep, this.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by sotojuan on Monday October 17, 2016 @09:53PM (#12731428)
Is that a West-only thing? My admittedly minor experience with some Japanese people is that in many settings they hide any discomfort (including outright anger) in order to not make a scene or lose face.

In fact, if can pinpoint being angry in public often to any country it's the US.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by foobarian on Monday October 17, 2016 @09:56PM (#12731445)
I thought so too until I started watching Russian road rage videos (just use those terms to search on Youtube). I think Russians take the cake for uninhibited anger displays!
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by sotojuan on Monday October 17, 2016 @10:03PM (#12731479)
Ha, forgot about Russia. Yes, I guess they and Eastern Europe win.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by PravlageTiem on Monday October 17, 2016 @10:00PM (#12731467)
I would argue that China, Japan, Korea, and other Buddhist-heavy nations have other cultural mechanisms to prompt one to remodel reality. Buddhist teachings make it very clear the desire is the source of suffering, and this axiom weaves its way through cultural institutions and norms in these countries.

If we accept this, then I would argue "anger suppression" in said countries isn't anger suppression in the Western sense ("We have to prevent the next Hitler at all costs!!!! No moar hate guise, kthx love all yaaaaay :) :) :) ") as much as it is part of an overall suppression of desire.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by ue_ on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @02:34AM (#12732551)
Though I am skeptical of the influence of Buddhism on suchva level (though I am a Buddhist myself), Buddhism does not have at its heart replacing the suppression of one emotion (anger) with another (desire), but rather the mere noticing of the arising and passing away of these emotions and reflecting on their traits as impermanent, unsatisfactory and not-self.

Mere suppression leads to inner fementation of emotion, not release from the emotions. However I will grant that Buddhist teachings may have been mis(applied|understood|interpreted) to lead to a suppression of emotion.

  Let a man remove his anger. Let him root out his pride. Let him overcome all fetters of passions. No sufferings overtake him who neither clings to mind-and-body nor claims anything of the world.
— Dhp., v. 221
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by NumberCruncher on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @12:49AM (#12732184)
>>Anger exists for a reason and it exists for good reasons

Anger originates from a time where responding with anger to a certain situation could save your life and rise the probability to reproduce. That was long ago before human reason arised. Today anger is an overkill for most of the situations we face in daily life. Fortunately we can use human reasoning to deal with this. Read the book A Guide To The Good Life: The Ancient Art Of Stoic Joy! It is a life changer.

Tl,dr: you don't have to suppress it because you can eliminate it by changing yor point of view.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by adrianratnapala on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @02:18AM (#12732505)
Anger exists for a reason and it exists for good reasons.

Anger exists in order to keep animals on top of the sometimes deadly contests that exist in the world. It can cause feuds, but it also causes us to win them.

It is easy to see how the world would be better off with less anger. Harder to see how unilateral disarmement will help the individual. But even then, humans, the rational animals, have the option of cooling their heads and calculating a strategy.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by Natsu on Monday October 17, 2016 @11:23PM (#12731795)
The article talks about venting anger at people who had nothing to do with the reason for your anger. In my experience, how you treat people influences how they treat you. And it's hard to treat people right when you're angry over unrelated things.

Certainly, there are times when anger is justified and appropriate, but it is helpful to properly control it and not to aim it at people who are innocent bystanders.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by reddytowns on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @12:04AM (#12731972)
There is something about being authentic, though, that is actually more useful then trying to hide your emotions all the time.

The flip side of this is to consider the point of view of an "innocent bystander". Does someone being angry at an unrelated event hurt them? Does the person describing that event to them, angrily, hurt them, either?

I think that I would trust someone more who had a range of emotion based on what has happened to them recently, than someone who always tried to show a particular "face" to everyone, regardless of their current circumstances.

In that sense, always hiding your anger is actually hurting your chances of being trusted by others, which I think is one of the most valuable things other people can give you.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by crispyambulance on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @06:31AM (#12733280)
I agree authenticity is valuable, but the "innocent bystander" doesn't have the context to even know that "angry-person-on-the-phone" is having a rough day.

Normally functioning adults do have some control over their emotions. If one is red-hot angry, they can take a deep breath, count to ten, put the situation into perspective, and reflect on the feelings of others. It is not an accident that this is what we tell children to do when they're having a fit-- it fucking works! This is not "hiding" anger, it is recognizing and dealing with anger.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by dwaltrip on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @01:35AM (#12732361)
> I think that I would trust someone more who had a range of emotion based on what has happened to them recently, than someone who always tried to show a particular "face" to everyone, regardless of their current circumstances.

Or, perhaps they managed to reduce their base anger response, and aren't actually hiding anything?

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by reddytowns on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @02:32AM (#12732545)
The motivation to do that is questionable. It could mean they think of everyone around them as children and feel the need to be able to handle them.

It could also mean that they are constantly trying to game people into believing they feel a certain way but they actually don't.

Or it could mean they were taught to do this at a young age, and it's an automatic response.

In any case, it makes one look less human and more likely a manipulator, or at least concerned with the manipulation of people enough to suppress an automatic reaction.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by dwaltrip on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @03:23AM (#12732710)
A more common reason may be that they feel they have healthier, more productive interactions with those around them when anger plays a reduced role.

I doubt that many would agree with you that those who react more calmly "look less human". People are generally drawn to those with a calm, positive demeanor, as they are often enjoyable to be around.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by reddytowns on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @06:37AM (#12733305)
This is all becoming very anecdotal, so I'll just have to disagree.

Everyone trying to hide their anger all the time leads to fake, sterile interactions, and pent up hostility, in my opinion.

We'd be a lot healthier of a society if we didn't project and expect a perfect image of everyone all the time.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by elbear on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:44AM (#12733820)
I'm thinking you can express the anger without making someone the target.

For example, in the hypothetical phone call, what if you say to John:

"John, I want to say I'm feeling very frustrated and angry right now. I expected a short call and I had to wait 35 minutes instead. I realize it's not your fault, but I wanted to get the feeling out, because you would have noticed it in my voice anyway."

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by Natsu on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @02:27AM (#12732533)
It seems odd to me to have the innocent bystander as the one who should control their emotions by rationally deciding that it has nothing to do with them but not to have the original person who is mad at someone else not rationally decide that their anger has nothing to do with the person they're actually dealing with.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by reddytowns on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @06:31AM (#12733282)
You can show anger yet still be rational. Anger does not mean out of control.

Also, yes I do believe that someone in the presence of someone else being angry should not automatically assume it is about them.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by nickpsecurity on Monday October 17, 2016 @11:31PM (#12731831)
The expectation was wrong and the anger was right. It's the target of the anger that's wrong. That's why self-control and kindness were the better option. Further, they're more likely to get what you want out of the situation. A situation you've already invested a lot of effort into. The rational choice is doing what works. This also prevents extra anger. It's best choice for your emotions, too, even though they won't let you see that in heat of the moment. Hence, understanding that in a non-angry moment to start making a habit out of controlling and directing anger properly.

Although, I went further to not get pissed off at all as many times as I could for typical bullshit of corporations. I mentally relax, do other things, and am ready to focus the second support answers. I do something similar to what was advised. You'd be surprised how much good service I've gotten from especially Comcast but also others. There's, as author says, people that just don't give a damn. Most are happy to help and happier to be appreciated. Which is sincere on my part by the end of it so long as they put forth effort on the problem. :)

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by iovrthoughtthis on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @03:37AM (#12732746)
I find anger to be an emotion based on anxiety usually at, as you say, the failure of the environment to meet your predefined expectations.

Anger is then a tool of emotional manipulation to further your need for the environment to meet your expectations.

Emotionally manipulating people around you poisons your relationships with them in the long term though.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by WayneBro on Monday October 17, 2016 @10:04PM (#12731486)
I don't have any evidence of this but I've read it many times that anger makes you dumb - http://www.google.com/search?q=anger+makes+you+dumb
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by hourislate on Monday October 17, 2016 @11:09PM (#12731726)
I don't think so. Anger is primordial trait of humanity. If it made you dumb we would not have evolved into the intelligent species we are today.

I think the author of the article is confusing anger with someone being mean. He mentions don't be angry with the guy on the other end. Why not say don't be mean to the guy on the other end but let him know that your not happy/angry/upset.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by nickpsecurity on Monday October 17, 2016 @11:40PM (#12731864)
The emotional and rational aspects of the brain are separate, almost competing. The first thing you learn in combat training that's worth a damn is that being hot on emotions and/or adrenaline makes you illogical. People do stuff they later said was incredibly stupid. This is also said by many perps of domestic violence where anger kept building until the urge to attack was uncontrollable. Logic just wasn't there anymore because that's not where logic comes from.

We're taught to recognize we won't have as much self-control, train ourselves to avoid letting emotions control us in an encounter, spend times when we're calm to prepare for likely situations with rehearsed reactions, and defined points when we stop attacks. The combination of these, esp with repetition, lets us handle a highly stressful and illogical situation with low risk of permanent consequences. An ability almost nobody in these classes started with.

Same is true in customer service, management, etc where you're dealing with stress, anger, and/or uncertainty. Same principles. The customer service people most of all since they deal all day with people saying or doing things that would piss them off. By not getting pissed, they keep customers, get paid, and keep their companies from loosing customers. So, the principle to avoid acting in anger where possible just keeps showing up with financial losses or jail time avoided many times over by following it.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by erispoe on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @01:12AM (#12732281)
Natural selection works in context. Any trait that is selected is selected in context, there is no absolute right or wrong in natural selection.

The fact that a trait has been selected says nothing of its intrinsic value or its utility in a different context. It certainly bears no moral value.

Surely, you would agree that the context we experience today is a little different from the time where selection pressure could favor anger?

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by WayneBro on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @12:04AM (#12731973)
I don't think the idea is that it makes you dumb your whole life. Just in the moment.

That matches my own personal observation at least.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by XorNot on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @03:13AM (#12732687)
Of course it only takes a moment to ruin your whole life. Or somebody else's.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by mentat on Monday October 17, 2016 @11:26PM (#12731811)
> If it made you dumb we would not have evolved into the intelligent species we are today.

That is the whole argument of western civilization, that suppressing anger is what allows us to be an intelligent species.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by inimino on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @03:16AM (#12732694)
You seem to have a different theory of anger than mine, or you express it in a very different way. Which culture do you think gets this more right?

If a predator attacks your child and you chase it off, isn't that anger? Is that because your model was wrong?

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by PravlageTiem on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @06:12AM (#12733219)
Your model expects your child not to be attacked.

The child was attacked.

You suddenly have the energy for resynchronization so that your model can persist despite this exception.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by appleflaxen on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:19AM (#12733687)
I don't understand your mode/reaction/resynchronization point at all.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by dTal on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @11:35AM (#12735476)
Does this vocabulary of calling our personal preferences a "model" and something we dislike a "violation of our model" actually buy us anything?
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by inimino on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @09:05AM (#12733950)
What if you knew that there were predators about?

I don't think all anger is about models being violated, but if you said that some or even most (in the modern world) is I might better see where you're coming from.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by ianai on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @01:53AM (#12732415)
Don't suppress your emotions. Feel them, acknowledge them, ask where they came from, then let them go. You don't always have to do this, of course, but it's a great thing to do with anger.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by ue_ on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @02:26AM (#12732531)
Mindfulness is really good for situations like anger. I don't know where GP is getting his or her information regarding 'the West' from, but the aversion to anger is certainly not a solely Western trait.

  As a log from a pyre, burnt at both ends and fouled in the middle, serves neither for firewood in the village nor for timber in the forest, so is such a wrathful man.
— Anguttara Nikaya II, 95

  He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me of my property. Whosoever harbor such thoughts will never be able to still their enmity.

  Never indeed is hatred stilled by hatred; it will only be stilled by non-hatred — this is an eternal law.
— Dhp., vv. 4-5
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by appleflaxen on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:17AM (#12733680)
I think your statements mixes anger (how you feel) vs. your reaction/behavior when angry.

Society frowns on having an adult temper tantrum (the behavior); it doesn't care, in general, how you are feeling.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by scriptman on Monday October 17, 2016 @11:12PM (#12731736)
I think displaying anger can be useful sometimes. Actually being angry isn't that useful as it usually means you've lost control of the situation.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by jorgeleo on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:54AM (#12733884)
"The manifestation of anger means some model you are holding onto is no longer in sync with reality and that resynchronization costs more than your time preferences will allow"

A different way that I know is: Anger is a secondary feeling that we use to cover the main feeling, may it be pain, sadness, or any other. Anger is a symptom, the hidden feeling is the cause. To manage anger we need to address the hidden feeling.

I agree that anger on it self is not wrong. But it is not a justification either. Hurting other people because I am angry is not ok either. And that is what the Western culture (or at least some of it) tries to address. To control the damage that the "out of sync" can produce

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by partycoder on Monday October 17, 2016 @10:03PM (#12731480)
I believe that collaboration is saying what you need to hear, not what you want to hear. Now, the thing is doing it in a way that reflects respect.

Some people are not prepared to receive feedback, and will probably react strongly against it. It's easier to believe someone else is wrong than to accept that you are wrong. This becomes reinforced as more people support a wrong idea.

It's also useful to sticks to facts, not opinions, and emphasize the problem, not the person.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by addicted on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @02:26AM (#12732528)
This is funny, because most "eastern" religions are all about letting go about anger.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by fit2rule on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @03:04PM (#12746705)
>Anger exists for a reason and it exists for good reasons.

I don't think I've ever seen someone build an apple orchard with anger, or sink a well, or construct a road between two nicely cooperating villages.

Anger exists to provide homage to entropy, and that really is about it. Life, mostly though, can exist at the other end of the spectrum without much anger required.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by wwwater on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @02:33PM (#12737329)
Wow! I love your comment! That's exactly what I think to myself. It is so stupid to suppress such a powerful source of energy for changing something in your head or/and in your life.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by friendlygrammar on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @12:17AM (#12732040)
>Anger exists for a reason and it exists for good reasons.

Your initial premise is wrong.

Re:Don’t let your anger persist by wruza on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @04:46AM (#12732961)
Our dead brother-species laugh at you.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by kagamine on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @07:18AM (#12733434)
Well thanks for the rational and detailed explanation as to why. Moving on.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by RodericDay on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @12:50AM (#12732186)
Malcolm X embodies the power of controlled anger really well.
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by tarr11 on Monday October 17, 2016 @10:03PM (#12731483)
What is this "West" of which you speak?
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by mistermann on Monday October 17, 2016 @11:18PM (#12731764)
Re:Don’t let your anger persist by chadnickbok on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @03:33AM (#12732735)
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.

Through passion, I gain strength.

Through strength, I gain power.

Through power, I gain victory.

Through victory, my chains are broken.

The Force shall free me.