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Re:The new MacBook by jkot on Monday March 09, 2015 @01:58PM (#9172518)
I am bit disappointed. Dell has similar sized laptop, with bigger display, smaller bezel and higher resolution.

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9343-laptop/pd

Re:The new MacBook by vinhboy on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:16PM (#9173216)
Man... the folks at Dell are just terrible at marketing. Look at that page the OP linked and the apple macbook page. There is absolutely no comparison. I had to make an effort to find pictures of their product. Even then, the pictures are completely distracting because of those ugly award logos they put on it.

If I was Dell, I would just sit down my entire design and marketing team and make a plan for redesigning and rebranding. Their website look exactly like it did 10 years ago when Dell computers were cool.

Re:The new MacBook by CamperBob2 on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:41PM (#9173421)
Also: No, actually, I don't want to "chat with a Dell expert." GTFO the page I'm trying to read.

The one thing that could change my mind about patent trolls is if one of them were to pop up and banish those unsolicited floating chat windows by suing everyone who uses them.

Re:The new MacBook by ihnorton on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:06PM (#9173612)
The prevalence of "chat with us!" and "take a quick survey?" website popups encapsulates everything that is wrong with non-Apple computer hardware manufacturers.
Re:The new MacBook by organsnyder on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:25PM (#9173766)
Apple does seem to have replicated that experience in their brick-and-mortar stores, though.
Re:The new MacBook by zippergz on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:39PM (#9173882)
Really? My experience in their bricks and mortar stores is that I can barely get someone to talk to me when I I want to buy something. Kind of the opposite problem, but almost as frustrating.
Re:The new MacBook by organsnyder on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @03:57PM (#9180219)
I guess it depends on how busy they are. The one time I've recently set foot in an Apple store, it was swarming with employees (probably 2:1 employee:customer ratio). This was a small mall location, though—it felt claustrophobic to begin with.
Re:The new MacBook by reilly3000 on Monday March 09, 2015 @07:01PM (#9174682)
Word. The freakin top end laptop is out of view and requires a click to even see it. I almost bailed because I didn't see an i7 option. I was browsing on my 27" with the browser full screen too... hard FAIL, Dell.

I have a M3800 and am not unhappy with it, although the touchpad is too touchy and the fan is too fanny. Somebody needs to get their shit together and actually push Apple.

Re:The new MacBook by Tepix on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @05:18AM (#9183250)
No kidding. I looked for it and couldn't find it for several minutes despite knowing it had to be somewhere!
Re:The new MacBook by codezero on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:05PM (#9172566)
I followed the link hoping I could point out how wrong you are. Nope, that's a pretty beautiful laptop. Thin, light, great screen, etc...

In the end, you can look at the 12 inch MacBook as being a new notebook for people who care about running Mac OS/don't want to switch to Windows. It's a big deal because the Dell isn't an option most people want to consider :)

Re:The new MacBook by geoelectric on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:12PM (#9172627)
I have to admit that, even as a "no Windows" person at this point, I'm a little on the fence about this vs. waiting for the Ubuntu version of the New XPS 13. So Dell's got at least that much going for them.
Re:The new MacBook by mattdotc on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:21PM (#9173258)
I had no idea they were still doing that. The last time I purchased a laptop for personal use was the ~2007 Inspiron 1420n Ubuntu Edition. I generally prefer to work on desktops, but having the option for portability is nice.

I still actually used that laptop until recently. Now I'm in the market and have been eying the XPS 13 and waiting for details about the Macbook Air.

Any idea/rumors about when the Ubuntu edition will launch?

I'd really like to spend less than a thousand bucks, because I just want something light that I can carry in addition to my work Macbook Pro. I like to use my commute-time on the train for side projects, but I'm concerned about using my work machine for various reasons.

The new offerings from Apple today are certainly appealing, but I'm still on the fence. I don't draw arbitrary allegiances with corporations, so I have no blind brand loyalty...

Re:The new MacBook by yohui on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:40PM (#9173417)
You can check Dell's Project Sputnik community: https://plus.google.com/communities/114528776750711434800

Based on the latest update from Project Sputnik lead Barton George, it sounds like the release is drawing near: http://bartongeorge.net/2015/02/23/update-2-dell-xps-13-lapt...

Re:The new MacBook by VSpike on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @06:52AM (#9177026)
I was told by a Dell person (via the chat thing, naturally) that it would be released in about a week.

If I bought either the Windows model or the official Linux one I'd wipe it and install Debian or Arch or Mint, but I'd still prefer to wait for the Linux one so that I don't contribute money and a +1 sales statistic to Microsoft for something I don't want.

Re:The new MacBook by mattdotc on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @09:44AM (#9177653)
Thanks for chiming in with that info. I wasn't able to get a date from Dell, but they did send me to the same blog that yohui pointed out.

I'm definitely waiting for the developer edition, precisely for the reason you mentioned, to do my part in signalling to Dell and the industry that Windows vs OS X is a false dilemma.

Re:The new MacBook by baddox on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:46PM (#9173934)
Disregarding for the moment subjective issues like design and operating system, I would ask two important questions. How is the battery life, and how is the build quality? That's usually where Windows PCs quickly lose any desirability (to me) compared to Macs.

Also, I notice that this XPS is 0.6-0.8 pounds heavier than the new MacBook, and as far as I can tell the XPS has a fan.

Re:The new MacBook by kbenson on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:48PM (#9174403)
Battery life is supposed to be excellent[1]. TL;DR 15+ hours of light usage for the 1080p screen (tested and confirmed by Anandtech), supposedly 11+ hours light usage for the QHD+ screen with an i7.

1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8983/dell-xps-13-review/6

Re:The new MacBook by mhomde on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:23PM (#9174194)
I have a maxxed out XPS 13 and its a love-hate relationship. The screen and build quality is great, the keyboard ok and the touchpad as well. There's very little to match it in that form factor right now

It's noisy as hell though, I can't say that battery life is great and I have some weird problems with music stuttering when I compile, also Visual Studio ocassionally locks up on deploy for some reason.

If I could have a Zenbook with the same screen thought I'd take that any day.

Re:The new MacBook by qzcx on Monday March 09, 2015 @11:05PM (#9175762)
This seems to be what I hear about getting the maxed out version of this laptop. Does anyone know if the fan is still really loud on the more moderate version (i5, touchscreen,256GB SSD)?
Re:The new MacBook by dntrkv on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:50PM (#9172977)
If you're looking purely at specs, Windows laptops always were the better deal. But only when you use those alternatives do you realize how much further ahead Apple is.
Re:The new MacBook by throwawaymsft on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:25PM (#9173765)
And specs don't capture the OS UX differences (do you love metro on a non-touch device?), bloatware/spyware/adware pre-installed, activation headaches, app ecosystem...

It's like comparing the value of two watches using the slag value of melting them down. If that's how you shop, the device isn't for you.

Re:The new MacBook by Goronmon on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @09:33AM (#9177600)
(do you love metro on a non-touch device?)

Metro is largely insignificant on non-touch devices. Most days I only see it in the brief period during "Windows Key -> 'chr' -> Enter".

I never understood the Metro hate mainly because I find it such an unimportant part of the OS in non-touch day-to-day use.

Re:The new MacBook by pionar on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:22PM (#9173275)
Not really farther at all. Examples? Dell, HP, and Lenovo all have notebooks out there that are as good as any Apple notebook.
Re:The new MacBook by dntrkv on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:36PM (#9173386)
Until you pick them up, use them, have them break, and try to get support. I used to be the guy pointing out how there are Windows laptops that are just as good as Macs. It wasn't until about 2 years ago that I just completely gave up on the Windows market and just converted fully to Apple's ecosystem. Couldn't be happier. The Windows market is in a constant state of "almost as good as Apple."
Re:The new MacBook by eos_styx on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:56PM (#9174003)
The trackpad on my thinkpad broke. I spent 10 minutes on the phone with technical support that actually knew what I was talking about and they mailed me a whole new part. I replaced it and went on my way as happy as could be.

In contrast: By friend who owns a mac tried to set up a appointment because her hard drive was making the sound of a grinder. They told her that they could not make an appointment on the phone, she needed to use the iPhone app to do that. Well, she doesn't have an iPhone so the only option she had was to stand in line at the apple store 40 minutes away and wait. She spend two days doing this since it closed before they got to her on the first day and then the took her hard drive and replaced it while erasing all her personal data. It's a good thing I made a backup first.

Great Customer Service for sure almost as good as Comcast.

Re:The new MacBook by dntrkv on Monday March 09, 2015 @06:47PM (#9174594)
Sure, every once in a while I'm sure someone has a bad experience with their support but I feel it's a well-accepted notion that Apple has the best support in the consumer tech industry. A few sources I found in a couple minutes of searching:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2c2817%2c2452946%2c00.asp http://blog.laptopmag.com/tech-support-showdown http://www.thestreet.com/story/11366677/1/the-best-and-worst... http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/04/apple-is-top...

I've dealt with Dell, Microsoft, Acer, Asus, and HP in the past on multiple occasions for each, and it was always a headache. With Apple, it was always as simple as walking into the store and walking out with my issues resolved. I've even had them fix a keyboard that broke due to my fault on an out of warranty machine for just the cost of parts. The fact that you can go to a physical location and get service puts them on a different level.

Re:The new MacBook by sjs on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @02:07AM (#9176311)
I have to fly or take a ferry to get to an Apple Store. There isn't one on Vancouver Island. So it's great when you can get to one, but if you can't the support is not so good.
Re:The new MacBook by gsnedders on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @10:59AM (#9178040)
What country are you in? When I had some "user serviceable" part on ThinkPad break (in the UK), I had to send it off for a month(!), after spending 45 minutes on the phone trying to convince them to send me the replacement part.
Re:The new MacBook by hobolord on Monday March 09, 2015 @06:03PM (#9174521)
you can book an appointment online, so that would be the other option
Re:The new MacBook by pfisch on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:02PM (#9173589)
I have a macbook and an xps. I like the xps better for several reasons.

It is difficult if not impossible to output a macbook to a tv over hdmi and also send audio. Also the dongle that does hdmi conversion breaks all the time. Our office has gone through like 4-5 of them.

It is/was very difficult to disable your laptop display when plugged into a monitor in MacOS(I doubt they have fixed this issue). Also the macbook is crazily overpriced.

Re:The new MacBook by dntrkv on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:15PM (#9173681)
I'm guessing you're using the Air? I've had the Air with the Display Port to HDMI dongle and now have the Pro with HDMI built in, neither had issues with outputting HDMI sound. Just plug it in, and make sure the audio output is set to the TV in the Sound settings in System Preferences.

Never tried that second part, but the multi monitor support in the last couple releases of MacOS have been amazing.

Re:The new MacBook by nilkn on Monday March 09, 2015 @09:12PM (#9175333)
> It is/was very difficult to disable your laptop display when plugged into a monitor in MacOS(I doubt they have fixed this issue). Also the macbook is crazily overpriced.

Can't you just do clamshell mode? I haven't had any issues with that with my Macbook Air.

Re:The new MacBook by mindcruzer on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:09PM (#9173636)
Fully agree. I just got a new MacBook pro in January, and I'm completely blown away by the UX.
Re:The new MacBook by stcredzero on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:33PM (#9173362)
This is always true for a given version of "as good as." Heck, it would be true for the correctly chosen "better." The truly tricky part is knowing what "as good as" or "better" will actually play well in the market.
Re:The new MacBook by Retric on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:00PM (#9173570)
Actually, the dell seems to be stuck with a tiny HDD even on the 1300$ model. 128GB in 2015 on a 1,000+$ laptop is ridiculous you can get phones with that much disk space. Sure, they bump it on the $1,600$ model, but by then not having ~512 seems silly.

PS: You can get a 512GB desktop SSD drive for under 180$ so cost wise it's a non issue. And 30$ micro SD cards are at 64GB so 512GB would not be a space issue.

Re:The new MacBook by kbenson on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:14PM (#9173670)
According to anandtech, they are offering 512 GB at some point, and they have pricing. It's in the spec breakdown on the first page of their review[1]. It's not cheap to upgrade the drive, which is fairly standard with Dell.

1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8983/dell-xps-13-review

Re:The new MacBook by Retric on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:00PM (#9174027)
Can you find any way to order that on their site?

Anyway, you will also note they did not actually send the i7 versions off for testing as the battery life would tank. IMO, there are three basic classes of laptop ultra-portable trade power for awesome battery life and light weight, desktop replacements which are meant to be used on a desk, and gaming machines. You can dump a large SSD into an ultra-portable without issue but dells approach of bumping RAM, CPU, HDD, etc. in lockstep just means their ultra-portables are stuck with tiny disks for little reason.

Re:The new MacBook by kbenson on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:42PM (#9174350)
512GB? Not yet. 256GB? Yes. I'm not sure why you are asking though. Do you think they aren't going to provide it for some reason?

You might want to read that whole review if you haven't already. They found that the XPs 13 had excellent battery life, to the point that they tested it and it was exactly what was advertised. That is, for the low-end screen (1080p) they got over 15 hours of light usage. Dell provides battery life estimates for different configurations (visible in the review[1]), so it's not inconceivable that i7 light usage might get over 11 hours as Dell claims.

1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8983/dell-xps-13-review/6

Re:The new MacBook by Retric on Monday March 09, 2015 @11:47PM (#9175897)
There is a lot of fishy things about those numbers. Most notably HD video which I generally use as light usage benchmark was the 'worst case' actually given numbers. If that i5 dell is equal to a 2013 i5 mackbook air for similar useage patterns then actual heavy use-sage should clock around 6 hours for an brand new i5 from full charge to zero.

http://www.howtogeek.com/196582/why-you-probably-dont-want-t...

And an i7 would drop down to around 4.5 brand new under heavy usage. And around 2 before you start looking for a charger once the battery ages a little.

PS: The only reason I bring this up is their base numbers are rather low and they don't seem to have a way to configure the systems before checkout. Overall the i5 version seems like a real mackbook competitor, but their low end model seems to be designed more for halo effect (battery life, and price) vs an actual reasonable choice.

Re:The new MacBook by kbenson on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @12:23AM (#9176012)
The XPS is using the new Broadwell-U Intel processor, which is a die-shrink, and lower power usage is expected from this.

I'm not sure why you think it's fishy. As long as Anandtech has kept their benchmark tests consistent across different units tested, it should be fine. I'm not sure how you got HD video viewing as a light benchmark test, I've never heard of that before. Generally, decoding a highly compressed chunk of data and using it to constantly update the display seems close to a worst case scenario to me, unless you are doing serious data crunching (e.g. encoding) which while more common than it used to be, I wouldn't consider common enough to include as a regular benchmark in a general purpose review.

According to Anandtech's article, the 13-inch Macbook Air has a 54 Wh battery and the Dell has a 52 Wh battery, so the XPS battery is slightly smaller. The hardware drawing power from the battery is different through (Broadwell-U @ 14 nm vs Haswell @ 22nm), so extrapolating numbers in that way is not likely to yield very accurate results.

Re:The new MacBook by Retric on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @08:05AM (#9177228)
HD video decoding is a fixed workload so higher end CPU's spend less time working and get to down clock. There are plenty of games for example where they simply max the CPU so it's a good idea for your heavy load useage to scale.

Anandtech then just displayed numbers for useage levels vs hours:minutes.

Re:The new MacBook by jhasse on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @11:03AM (#9178072)
Enabling VSYNC in games will usally "fix" 100% CPU usage.
Re:The new MacBook by Retric on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @08:03AM (#9177221)
HD video decoding is a fixed workload so higher end CPU's spend less time working and get to down clock. There are plenty of games for example where they simply max the CPU so it's a good idea for your heavy load useage to scale.

Anandtech then just displayed numbers for useage levels vs hms.

Re:The new MacBook by yohui on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @06:32AM (#9176966)
> Can you find any way to order that on their site?

Yeah, the "Choose Options" menu under the "Hard Drive" section. Currently, the $999.99 and $1299.99 models can upgrade from a 128GB to a 256GB SSD for +$100, and the high end $1599.99 model can upgrade from a 256GB SSD to a 512GB SSD for +$300. Available options may vary at times.

Though I'd rather just replace the SSD myself, especially for the 512GB upgrade. Looks very easy to do do, based on YouTube videos.

Re:The new MacBook by throwawaymsft on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:22PM (#9172701)
The intended audience is deciding between the various MacBooks, not between a Dell and a MacBook.
Re:The new MacBook by makeitsuckless on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:02PM (#9173112)
The intended audience doesn't consider the Dell anywhere near comparable.

Personally I would love to have a Linux laptop with the same design and build quality as the MacBooks, and I'm pretty sure plenty of fashion conscious folks would like something more exclusive now that Macs are everywhere.

The fact that the XPS 13 is the only machine that comes anywhere close is kinda sad.

Re:The new MacBook by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:16PM (#9173221)
You could run Linux on your MacBook?

Though it won't work as seamlessly with the hardware as OS X can.

Re:The new MacBook by abc_lisper on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:41PM (#9173424)
Re:The new MacBook by samolang on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:55PM (#9173995)
Re:The new MacBook by Gonzih on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:35PM (#9173375)
Running linux on macbook here, most of the things are fine. Except probably thundebold weirdness.
Re:The new MacBook by dordoka on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:17PM (#9174136)
Try to upgrade to kernel v3.18.5+ or directly v3.19. My problems with thunderbolt are gone now after upgrading :)
Re:The new MacBook by jkarneges on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:00PM (#9173574)
I run Ubuntu in VMware full screen on a MacBook Air. I don't use the host Mac OS for anything important. It's a freak of nature.
Re:The new MacBook by wahsd on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:32PM (#9173356)
I sense some resentment. The thing about Apple (I have no bias) is that you don't have to worry about competition. Even if there is a machine that approaches the performance and specs of a Mac, the thing Apple fans don't have to worry about is which machine to get because even the worst Apple device is miles ahead of the non Apple alternatives.

The thing about Apple is that you don't have to worry about it, you can focus on the task and purpose of the tool rather than the hardware or it's specs.

Given Apple's nature of maximizing profits of their product line, there's still room for the next major update of MBP line to include the same kinds of edge-less screen, and people will collectively loose their minds over it. Are people going to be satisfied with just another incremental upgrade of specs and inclusion of the same technologies as the Mac? I think they will have to put some bling in their flagship devices.

Re:The new MacBook by cheatsheet on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:53PM (#9173511)
> the thing Apple fans don't have to worry about is which machine to get because even the worst Apple device is miles ahead of the non Apple alternatives

This is very subjective to define. It's true, if you like apple, and all you are going to choose is stuff from apple, then you don't have to worry about examining choices in depth because there aren't very many. But quality is a subjective thing.

I personally find almost every computer that exists today horrifically boring, compared to when I was growing up. The jump from no computer to computer has been much more exciting than each iteration of slightly better computer. That's really what I call 'miles ahead'.

Smartphones with unlimited data were slightly revolutionary for me, in a "I can listen to music and walk anywhere I want without getting lost" kind of thing, but honestly, I haven't felt anything close to the feelings I used to feel as a kid. Trying to figure out how the entire internet is structured and comparing that to a giant computer is slightly more exciting. Comparing data models to the human brain is slightly exciting. But miles ahead sounds like we're making leaps when we aren't. And you can go ahead and argue that every leap is made up of tiny steps, but when you fade in and out of technology enough, even then, some things really feel like leaps, and other things really feel like steps. And I think that's subjective, so I'm biased, but I find it very hard to have opinions without bias, if not impossible.

Re:The new MacBook by WorldWideWayne on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:20PM (#9173718)
The notion that Apple is "miles ahead" seems cute to me as I read these comments on my hybrid touchscreen which runs a full general purpose OS on a battery that lasts me well over 10 hours and still fits in my pocket. It's so nice to be able to run full Chrome with Adblock and other extensions on a touch device which also allows me to write a quick VBA function in Excel, run reports using legacy native business tools or spin up a small Linux VM.

Apple simply doesn't offer a device that can compete with this, so not only are they not miles ahead, I can't even see them in my rear-view.

Re:The new MacBook by ooku on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:02PM (#9174033)
>Full general purpose OS >Chrome with adblock and other extensions >Excel with VBA >Run virtual machines

If you did your research, I'm pretty sure you would find that you can do all of these things on a macbook.

Re:The new MacBook by WorldWideWayne on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:12PM (#9174106)
One that fits in my pocket and lets me touch the screen to do things?

Check out this Dell 8 inch tablet that does all of these things - http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Venue-Series-Windows-Tablet/dp/B0...

Re:The new MacBook by polshaw on Monday March 09, 2015 @08:46PM (#9175182)
I love the dell venue 8 pro (5000), but I really wish dell would stop fucking around and go all out with it. Give us a proper display output, let us charge and dock at the same time, give us a 4GB option, get USB 3.1 with type-C connector on it, put some properly fast storage on it, give us the beautiful OLED 'infinity' display that you're offering on your android tablet for the windows version too. THAT would be a device worth raving about. The CPU, the battery life, all the technology is there.

Instead what Dell do is release a 3000 model, with no digitizer and 1GB of ram. I have to assume that Dell are far too afraid of cannibalising their mid-range laptops to produce something truly great in the small tablet space, a very foolish and short-sighted position I think.

Re:The new MacBook by WorldWideWayne on Monday March 09, 2015 @10:31PM (#9175653)
I rave about it because it already does all of the things I mentioned very well. What non-Windows 8" tablet that could possibly let me do all of that?
Re:The new MacBook by CHY872 on Monday March 09, 2015 @08:53PM (#9175226)
I don't think you get to trumpet 'fits in your pocket' if it's 8 inches. I don't doubt that in principle, you could persuade one to fit in your pocket (unless you're female) but I don't think it fits most peoples definitions of that.
Re:The new MacBook by WorldWideWayne on Monday March 09, 2015 @10:02PM (#9175551)
Sorry to disappoint you, but it absolutely does fit in my pants pockets and all of my jackets pockets.

UPDATE: Here's an image gallery that I just made showing it in the jacket I'm wearing today, in the pants I'm wearing today and again in a pair of pants that I grabbed out my laundry pile - http://imgur.com/a/hFeDo

Not only does it fit in my pockets, but there's room to spare. Maybe it won't fit in some skinny jeans, but I don't wear tight pants because I'd rather be comfortable. In any case, whether it fits in your pocket or not isn't the point - it is true that Apple doesn't offer a highly portable device that runs a full OS for over 10 hours

Re:The new MacBook by theonemind on Monday March 09, 2015 @08:44PM (#9175172)
8" is not pocket size.
Re:The new MacBook by kayoone on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:15PM (#9173680)
> Even if there is a machine that approaches the performance and specs of a Mac, the thing Apple fans don't have to worry about is which machine to get because even the worst Apple device is miles ahead of the non Apple alternatives.

I love my retina MBP but that statement is pretty biased. There are plenty of PCs more powerful than any mac, often for less money. Even Windows 10 isn't so bad, i think that OSX Yosemite is pretty flawed as well. Apple is still superior when it comes to the whole package, most importantly trackpad, battery life and overall experience, but if you don't fall exactly into Apples demographic you are pretty much out of luck.

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Re:The new MacBook by akfanta on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:00PM (#9173094)
I don't think that's what he means. And iSheep? Seriously?
Re:The new MacBook by to3m on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:13PM (#9173191)
Doesn't run Mac OS, so it's not going to be much fun if you're upgrading from a previous Mac. It's also probably going to be a bit more of a pain to keep it working (there were lots of things I didn't like about Mac OS X but one thing it was pretty good at was being plug'n'play and generally not fucking up - the latter being something Windows is not so good at).

baaaaaaa

Re:The new MacBook by innguest on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:34PM (#9173365)
Agreed on both counts, the reason that iSheep like me don't look at competitors I'd say is ultimately what you pointed out (at least for me that's more than half the reason - no maintenance!); and I agree on not being offended by the word iSheep which I had never heard of before and I think it's funny.

I bet you (skrowl) were downvoted just for using that word. It's short and sweet and conveys the necessary disdain you wanted to convey. I don't see what's wrong with it.

When I had a Windows machine I had to keep up with spyware and know all sorts of arcane things about the OS just to keep it chugging. I had HijackThis on a thumbdrive at all times. Nowadays I use my Mac as if I were punishing a computer, and it keeps on working without a hitch, no drivers gone wrong, no registry crap to worry about. That's why I'm an iSheep.

Re:The new MacBook by cheesedoodles on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:26PM (#9173768)
I got a new fully specced XPS 13" from work. More than being small it's one of the worst computers I ever had. Battery life suck, fans constantly spinning in idle. The only thing I like is the charger and screen. The keyboard is somewhat nice. Other than that, totally crappy PC. Ouch that sounds harsh, but thats what take from it and for 999-1200usd you can find so much better.
Re:The new MacBook by DanTheManPR on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @11:32AM (#9178246)
What would you recommend as an alternative? I have no particular interest in Apple products, but I would love a windows PC with a similar form factor and battery life as the Macbook Air.
Re:The new MacBook by BryantD on Monday March 09, 2015 @01:59PM (#9172529)
Well. 25% heavier.

Edit: which is not to say that the new MacBook is better; I'm just saying there are tradeoffs here. They both look pretty good to me.

Re:The new MacBook by reustle on Monday March 09, 2015 @09:55PM (#9175526)
Is 25% heavier on such a light laptop that big of a difference at the end of the day?
Re:The new MacBook by nfoz on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @01:33AM (#9176229)
One will be comfortable in a purse, and the other will not.

There are different target audiences here, and thankfully, there are different products from different competitors to choose from.

Re:The new MacBook by bitwize on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:02PM (#9172549)
No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.
Re:The new MacBook by rospaya on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:59PM (#9173082)
I know where the comment is coming from but I don't see the relevance. It's like everyone should blindly know Apple is going to rule everything.
Re:The new MacBook by mturmon on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:16PM (#9173215)
It is quite parallel.

The GP comment compares devices based on a couple of specs (e.g., bezel size). The isolate-on-a-couple-of-specs approach has been proven to (a) not capture where the market will go, and (b) not capture how well the device works.

It also tends to (c) come off as a justification for the speaker's own past purchases, or alternatively, a justification to view a new device as not quite worth purchasing yet.

It sucks that, 20 years on, the same retort ("... Lame.") is just as relevant as a critique of the specmanship game practiced in these forums.

Re:The new MacBook by bitwize on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:54PM (#9174439)
Yes, that is exactly the point. Apple make superior products, period. Even if they fall short on this or that spec, when it comes to the user experience, fit and finish, build quality, and design innovation, the safe bet is that Apple is leagues ahead of the competition. Apple is driving most of the major advances in personal computing: since the 90s virtually every laptop has been a clone of the 1992 PowerBook -- until recently when a market developed for MacBook Air clones. PDAs were off-brand Newtons, and so were smartphones until the iPhone came out. There wasn't an appreciable tablet market until the iPad. When it comes to personal computing, it's Apple's field and everyone else just plays in it.
Re:The new MacBook by jkot on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:14PM (#9172645)
Who cares? It is COMPATIBLE with Mac OS :-)
Re:The new MacBook by geoelectric on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:04PM (#9172564)
No wireless?
Re:The new MacBook by codezero on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:06PM (#9172576)
This is a joke referring to how Slashdot made fun of the iPod when it came out: http://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ip...
Re:The new MacBook by geoelectric on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:13PM (#9172636)
Ah, thanks.
Re:The new MacBook by BinaryIdiot on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:32PM (#9173355)
This. I was really hoping they would drop that bezel to make the new Mac absolutely awesome looking. Honestly I would have rather they done that than everything else they did.

I was also hoping for a touch screen. While I don't use it a ton on my Windows machines with a touch screen I constantly finding myself to use it for scrolling.

Re:The new MacBook by neatoincognito on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @03:57PM (#9180216)
If Apple went with a smaller bezel, they couldn't have a full-size keyboard.
Re:The new MacBook by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday March 10, 2015 @04:25PM (#9180384)
Not really; the keyboard in the new MacBook is larger than their previous one. They could have kept it about the same and been fine. Alternatively bump the display up to 13" and drop the bezel.
Re:The new MacBook by gnopgnip on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:39PM (#9173878)
I recently bought one of these from the Microsoft store. Zero complaints. $1300 for the 3200x1800(double 1600x900) touch, 256gb ssd, and 8gb of ram. The dell has a 15w cpu instead of the 5w in the new Mac but it weighs about a pound more. Having a headphone w mic port and 2 usb 3 ports is more useful than a type C port for me.
Re:The new MacBook by astrodust on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:16PM (#9172662)
It's small, but it's not as small. That thing's huge in comparison.
Re:The new MacBook by kbenson on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:22PM (#9173733)
It's 0.94" wider, 0.14" deeper and 0.08" higher. Huge?

For that you get another inch on your screen and 73% more pixels (3200x1800).

Re:The new MacBook by astrodust on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:48PM (#9174399)
It's worth noting that the Quad-HD screen only comes on the more expensive models, starting at $1299. The lower priced ones come with a 1080p screen.

That depth difference could feel pretty significant when the thing is razor thin.

Comparison article: http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8177065/apple-macbook-specs...

Re:The new MacBook by qzcx on Monday March 09, 2015 @11:17PM (#9175801)
The new macbook starts at $1299 as well. If you are going to compare them, then at least compare the same price points.
Re:The new MacBook by Yhippa on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:43PM (#9172892)
When they showed the floating bubbles on the screen I was expecting them to tease an edgeless display similar to the Dell XPS 13 Infinity Display.
Re:The new MacBook by jonhohle on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:49PM (#9173959)
What's strange to me is that Apple used to have extremely thin bezels. The Titanium Powerbooks barely had any bezel and the display was just as thin (though, this was before LED backlights).
Re:The new MacBook by binarycrusader on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:44PM (#9173453)
...and the most worthless camera placement yet seen potentially on a laptop.
Re:The new MacBook by gambiting on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:06PM (#9172575)
Also made out of plastic, and just as expensive with less SSD storage.
Re:The new MacBook by WrkInProgress on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:18PM (#9172678)
Except the new XPS 13 is made out of aluminium and carbon fibre. And the $1299 model has a 13" screen with touch and a higher resolution. And it has an i5 processor versus a Core M.

It will be interesting to see how much RAM the base configuration of the new Macbook will ship with, because the XPS 13 at $1299 comes with 8 GB.

Re:The new MacBook by donum on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:26PM (#9172744)
Both versions will ship with 8 GB of RAM. [1]

[1] http://images.apple.com/live/2015-mar-event/images/d02cd9e29...

Re:The new MacBook by bergie on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:21PM (#9172692)
Re:The new MacBook by legulere on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:00PM (#9174024)
Carbon fibre is not recyclable though.
Re:The new MacBook by jkot on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:10PM (#9172604)
Aluminum is not best material either, it bends too easily.

EDIT: aluminium bends too easily compared to other material. It does not have best structural integrity for its weight. Magnesium alloy, carbon fiber reinforced plastic or titanium composite usually has better parameters for weight.

But I am not saying that polished aluminium is bad or looks bad.

Re:The new MacBook by astrodust on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:17PM (#9172671)
"Too easily"? What are you doing to your notebooks?
Re:The new MacBook by proggR on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:18PM (#9172679)
I just tossed my Macbook Pro across the room the other day by accident (didn't check that my backpack was closed...). It did indeed bend the metal a bit, and the display cracked in the corner, but having seen plastic machines make the same tumble I think it would have fared significantly worse if it weren't aluminum. The force that bent the metal would have surely cracked the plastic into pieces and the display would have taken more of the shock and cracked way worse than it did.
Re:The new MacBook by Tiksi on Monday March 09, 2015 @02:52PM (#9172995)
When I lived in college dorms a few years back, my thinkpad would fall ~6ft out of my bed onto tile a few times a week. Occasionally I had to pop the battery back in.

Plastic can flex to absorb the stress without permanently deforming, aluminum not so much. Even the panasonic toughbooks are plastic, and those are probably the most durable laptops I know of by a large margin.

Re:The new MacBook by X-Istence on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:52PM (#9173505)
Interestingly enough destroying a Panasonic Toughbook is easy. Stand on it with high-heels... The Panasonic rep had just been stomping on it, and then this smallish woman asks if she could try.

It didn't boot or do much of anything after she had traipsed all over it.

That being said, I am not saying the MB would fare much better, but those Toughbooks are not as tough as they are advertised.

Re:The new MacBook by Tiksi on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:07PM (#9173616)
High heels are surprisingly destructive: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/JackGreen.shtml
Re:The new MacBook by Crito on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:44PM (#9173455)
Several years ago while walking outdoors during the winter carrying my thinkpad in my hands, I slipped on a manhole cover that was covered in ice. The thinkpad fell about 4 to 5 feet straight onto the manhole cover, landing on it's corner (left-side palm rest corner).

The corner itself was obliterated, leaving a small hole where it used to be, but that was the only damage the laptop sustained.

Unibody metal laptops are nice, but I think the structural advantage of them is heavily oversold. Plastic laptops with metal frames can be amazingly durable.

Re:The new MacBook by Turing_Machine on Monday March 09, 2015 @03:55PM (#9173531)
The Dell weighs 2.6 pounds compared to 2.03 pounds for the Apple machine, uses a Core i5 rather than a Core M, no USB-C, etc.

Does the Dell have a camera? I don't see it mentioned on that page, so maybe not.

Re:The new MacBook by ssijak on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:45PM (#9173929)
i5 is faster and better than core m.
Re:The new MacBook by Turing_Machine on Monday March 09, 2015 @05:12PM (#9174107)
Re:The new MacBook by MAGZine on Monday March 09, 2015 @08:02PM (#9174993)
You do realize that

a) that marketing page compares against a processor that is 4 years old, i.e. the processor in the 2011 MBA?

b) Intel has made new core i5's in the last 4 years (or even 3 years, 2 years, last year...)

c) we're not at a point where physics allows us to make hardware that consumes < 1/3 the power, but performs better, using the same manufacturing processes.

Re:The new MacBook by jszymborski on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:06PM (#9173608)
It does, but it's at the bottom right of the screen. It's actually a pretty neat design and I didn't notice much difference from the youtube video I saw.
Re:The new MacBook by simondelacourt on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:17PM (#9173703)
It does have a camera, but it is located just below the screen. Your hands will be in front of it when you type use the camera.
Re:The new MacBook by flurpitude on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:16PM (#9173694)
Only 128GB of storage? Just not enough.
Re:The new MacBook by kbenson on Monday March 09, 2015 @04:27PM (#9173782)
They have (or soon will have) a 512 GB version[1]. You can upgrade any model to 256 GB now.

1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8983/dell-xps-13-review