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Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by deelowe on Monday March 02, 2015 @12:30PM (#9133072)
It's hard to compare unity and unreal. To answer the question about c++, with UE4, the blueprint system removes almost all of that. Entire games can be written in their visual programming language. I also think there are ways to use c# (https://mono-ue.github.io/), if you prefer that as well. C++ is needed if you want to extend the native classes.

Regarding the editor, unreal is pretty amazing. It really shines in the tools department. Check out the landscape editor, materials editor, and animation tools on youtube. Pretty fantastic stuff.

The game engine itself is better than unity in almost every way with a few big exceptions:

1) multiplayer map size. unity can pretty easily support large online worlds 2) support for mobile/tablets. unity is the dominant platform on those devices. 3) community support. unity has a much larger community, better documentation, and a much more populous online store (though unreal is catching up)

Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by antiuniverse on Monday March 02, 2015 @04:05PM (#9134313)
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?52618-Large-S...

According to this thread, as of version 4.6, the maximum supported multiplayer map size out of the box is 20km x 20km. Is this the limitation you were referring to? That wouldn't accommodate an MMORPG or Minecraft, but otherwise seems quite big.

Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by Havoc on Monday March 02, 2015 @07:56PM (#9135493)
Never understood the concept of measuring map size in km. It's like measuring distance on a map while ignoring scaling. Something like source's hammer units make a lot more sense to me.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by neckro23 on Monday March 02, 2015 @08:16PM (#9135549)
In Source the scale is fixed (1 "unit" ~= 1 inch) and I imagine the same's true for UE.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by antidamage on Monday March 02, 2015 @09:02PM (#9135700)
1 unit = 1cm in UE, so 20km has some value as a measurement in game.

Of course, what matters more is what you do in that 20km, but it's also a limit coupled tightly with distant mesh performance and float accuracy issues.

Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by venomsnake on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @07:53AM (#9137399)
It would accommodate MMORPG - that is couple of times the area of WOW during it peak years.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by talmand on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @10:00AM (#9137910)
Also, keep in mind that's likely 20km x 20km x 20km.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by alexgrist on Monday March 02, 2015 @10:08PM (#9135889)
Isn't that the use case for Level Streaming?
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by bpicolo on Monday March 02, 2015 @08:50PM (#9135661)
sure it would. you don't have to load it all at once
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by shadowmint on Monday March 02, 2015 @07:49PM (#9135459)

    Regarding the editor, unreal is pretty amazing. 
If it runs.

...and that's a big IF. The editor ran like absolute rubbish originally on macs, to the point where it was actually unusable.

They've done a lot of work on that, but it's still miles away from the unity editor.

I think it's really hard to argue the unreal editor is better; it's a lot slower, but it does have some nice tools.

You also can't create extensions as easily (if at all?) as you can for unity.

As you say, they're two different things, and the unreal editor is actually not bad... but if you were to compare them, the unity one would certainly rank more highly.

Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by hjeldin on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @02:04AM (#9136467)
Actually you can create extensions to the editor, but it requires a lot more of work compared to the counterpart. Also, i use both UE and Unity on my mac, and while i agree that UE crashes a lot, that's mostly on user error. Unity, on the other hand, crashes while importing textures, generic assets, resizing textures, hangs when clicking play, etc.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by kayoone on Wednesday March 04, 2015 @01:36AM (#9142996)
OSX support is more or less experimental and macs (except the Mac Pro) have pretty weak GPUs. Also performance on OSX is far worse, so you are better off just building a budget workstation if you plan to seriously work with it.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by hayksaakian on Monday March 02, 2015 @11:57PM (#9136183)
what about macs running windows? i'm curious to know if it's a hardware issue or OSX related.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by kayoone on Wednesday March 04, 2015 @01:35AM (#9142993)
definitely OS related, it's fine on windows, even on macs. Just the underpowered GPUs in most macs make it not really a pleasure to work with, Epic recommends workstations for development work. Personally, i'd just build a windows pc for UE work, it's not suited for laptops anyway.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by outworlder on Monday March 02, 2015 @01:28PM (#9133402)
I was thinking about something like Lua.

Now, the multiplayer map size limitation seems odd nowadays.

Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by cma on Monday March 02, 2015 @01:56PM (#9133576)
Mostly to do with floating point precision, the devs of Star Citizen ran into the same issue with Cry Engine when they tried to make things space-scale, and ended up initially stuck with small battle-arena maps. UE4 can re-origin things for a single player moving through a large world to maintain physics precision, etc. but it doesn't currently work with multiple people and their server model.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by outworlder on Monday March 02, 2015 @02:19PM (#9133701)
So, basically what Kerbal Space Program does. Which also doesn't work well with multiple people.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by deelowe on Monday March 02, 2015 @02:15PM (#9133683)
That said, keep in mind that you can get roughly a maximum of 20 sq km with the default landscape tool (not sure about performance at that scale).

I believe there's also some hard coded limits around the number of simultaneous players (16?), though it seems fairly easy to work around. Again, not sure about performance.

Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by Alphasite_ on Monday March 02, 2015 @02:49PM (#9133896)
Nothings really hardcoded when you have the source at hand.
Re:Unreal Engine 4 is now available to everyone for free by deelowe on Monday March 02, 2015 @03:49PM (#9134220)
True. Also, there are rumors that epic is working on a multiplayer implementation of the player centered coordinate system.