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Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by cstross on Saturday November 08, 2014 @09:22AM (#8576916)
Young folks today just don't believe how downright surreal (and scary) the cold war was to live through.

Look, just read this wikipedia entry about the British Blue Peacock nuclear device, and boggle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Peacock

Yes. It's a chicken-heated atomic landmine. Not a joke: it was a Real Thing.

And so was this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28nuclear_device...

The M-29 Davy Crockett tactical nuclear recoilless rifle. (Jeep-mounted, no PALs, the rocket's flight range was less than its lethal radius of effect: the crew were supposed to fire it over a hill then dive under their jeep for cover.)

People not only imagined these things, they built them and deployed them in the stone-cold expectation of using them in anger.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by HillRat on Saturday November 08, 2014 @10:16AM (#8577063)
My father commanded a heavy weapons company on the Fulda Gap that included M-29s. Despite the fact that the Davy Crockett was very patently a suicide machine, the military did not explain to its soldiers that the warheads' radius of effect was larger than the gun's maximum range. However, since the gun operators were chosen from the most academically-accomplished of the enlisted ranks[1], they figured it out pretty fast (as did the platoon officers, who resolved to be very, very far behind the FEBA if the war went hot).

As my father pointed out, the concerns were really academic; if the Soviets did invade Western Europe, US war plans in the 1950s and 1960s involved so liberal a use of tactical and operational nuclear weapons that you wouldn't be safe anywhere between Bonn and Berlin. Victory measured out in teaspoons and kilotons.

[1] As opposed to his heavy mortar platoons, one of whom managed to nearly drop a round on the command tent during an exercise after a private failed to understand the operation of a compass. At least, that was his excuse....

Addendum: I should point out that pretty much every warplan the US came up with in the 1950s was a variation on "use nucs to slow down the Soviets until the Turkish military can mobilize." It wasn't until the professionalization of Western European forces, public hostility towards turning Europe into a smoking crater, and the use of game theory to describe how mobilization could become nuclear escalation that nuclear weapons as a standard battlefield play went away.

However, the Soviets never took the operational and tactical use of nuclear weapons out of their play book; Soviet blitz doctrine in the late 1980s still envisioned using widespread nuclear attacks to soften up NATO forces or deny ground in the face of NATO attacks.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by philwelch on Saturday November 08, 2014 @10:49AM (#8577181)
It seems a little troubling that the Turkish military was supposed to be the pivotal factor in World War III. Was there any particular reason for that, other than Turkey being right next to Russia and the Crimea? What if the Soviets went after Turkey first?
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by HillRat on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:05AM (#8577235)
After WW2, the Turks were the largest standing army in NATO, had performed excellently in the Korean War, were a linchpin between Europe and the Near East, and had a longstanding historical antipathy towards Russia. Basically, the Pentagon trusted the Turks to be more effective war fighters than anyone else in NATO at the time, and to be able to get to any particular front line faster than any other ally. Eventually, the demilitarization of West Germany placed an effective front-line force in place, but in the early Cold War the NATO allies were not really very united.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by mpweiher on Saturday November 08, 2014 @12:32PM (#8577526)
Did you mean "remilitarization" ?
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by HillRat on Saturday November 08, 2014 @04:16PM (#8578174)
I did indeed, thanks. :)
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by IkmoIkmo on Saturday November 08, 2014 @06:14PM (#8578466)
To this day Turkey has the largest standing army after the US of NATO members, it's not been a pushover for some decades now. Its also got a rather large number of armored units with few rivaling NATO members with the US as exception. It lacks Nuclear weapons (although it has the capacity to build and deliver, and participates in Nuclear sharing treaties, a bit like the Netherlands) and it's not better funded than say the UK, but it's pretty massive. Together with the reasons you mentioned (proximity) it makes a pretty decent case.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by jacquesm on Monday November 10, 2014 @05:29AM (#8582824)
That's very much incorrect. China, India, North Korea and the Russian Federation precede Turkey as well. South Korea and Pakistan are close (and so is Iran but not so well equipped).
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by Luc on Monday November 10, 2014 @05:49AM (#8582876)
I don't know if the comment was amended, but they're talking about NATO members exclusively. Turkey has a 'deployable military' of 495k according to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO#Military_...
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by digi_owl on Monday November 17, 2014 @08:11AM (#8617991)
Those numbers...

F if i know how Norway manages to spend that much on military, when there is a constant complaint about it being underfunded.

Btw, i think you need to roll the next 7-8 into one before matching the US troop numbers. Nuts.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by jacquesm on Monday November 10, 2014 @06:10AM (#8582925)
No, my mistake, thanks for spotting that.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by kybernetyk on Saturday November 08, 2014 @04:37PM (#8578222)
> Soviet blitz doctrine in the late 1980s still envisioned using widespread nuclear attacks to soften up NATO forces or deny ground in the face of NATO attacks.

Well, nowadays Russia considers "limited nuclear strikes" a form of de-escalation: http://thebulletin.org/why-russia-calls-limited-nuclear-stri...

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by simonsarris on Saturday November 08, 2014 @09:59AM (#8577011)
Wars would be a lot better if guys would say to themselves sometimes "Jesus, I'm not going to do that to the enemy. That's too much."

-Kurt Vonnegut

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by mcguire on Saturday November 08, 2014 @12:39PM (#8577544)
A large chunk of modern military training is explicitly to prevent guys from saying that reflexively.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by Bahamut on Sunday November 09, 2014 @10:38AM (#8580068)
It actually has toned down some, if you can believe it (at least in the Marine Corps).
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by digi_owl on Tuesday November 11, 2014 @04:22PM (#8592257)
I guess it had to happen, given the "police actions" undertaken these days.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by Graham24 on Monday November 10, 2014 @08:25AM (#8583341)
it's always been like that, step one is to de-humanise your enemy so your soldiers do not feel guilty for killing them.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by paulhauggis on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:01AM (#8577223)
The problem is that in some wars, if you don't, the enemy will strike you just as hard or harder.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by dalke on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:15AM (#8577260)
You have just described the philosophy behind the fire bombing of cities, nuclear escalation, and mutually assured destruction - which given Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five was surely what he was talking about when he made that comment.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by arethuza on Saturday November 08, 2014 @02:34PM (#8577914)
Fortunately the political leaders on both sides knew that they could never use nuclear weapons. Reagan was horrified and changed his policies, much to his credit, when he realised that the Soviets really were terrified of an attack from the West.

Even Khrushchev, who had a lot of blood on his hands, couldn't sleep for days after he had been briefed on what a nuclear war would actually mean - he only calmed down once he realised that the things would never be used by either side.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by jacquesm on Saturday November 08, 2014 @05:46PM (#8578383)
You're missing a 'probably' in there somewhere.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by arethuza on Saturday November 08, 2014 @06:29PM (#8578517)
I think it's just my retrospective naive optimism!
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by the_af on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:32AM (#8577324)
The "guys" in the above sentence include your enemies.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by kjjw on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:08AM (#8577245)
Surely a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by sitkack on Sunday November 09, 2014 @02:25AM (#8579346)
That is why I shoot their women and babies.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by PythonicAlpha on Saturday November 08, 2014 @12:57PM (#8577603)
Living in Middle Europe was not less surreal at all in this times. While the US people thought, that their Minuteman, other missiles and strategic bombers would give some protection, in Germany many people knew, that a third world war could not only start there, but also be the main place where it would be fought.

When in some era (I think, it was in Reagan's era, maybe a little later), the Generals where thinking, that a third world war could be limited to some territory (meaning: Middle Europe/Germany) and thus would not be the end of the world -- it was a void feeling for many people, that knew, what that could mean for Germany -- to be the designated place of nuclear destruction for the bigger nations.

In deed, it was a surreal time for the whole world it was. That is also one reason, that many in the 90s believed now humanity would rest in peace ....

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by arethuza on Saturday November 08, 2014 @02:54PM (#8577959)
Same for the UK - optimistic estimates for the impact of a nuclear attack on the UK had under 5% of the population surviving in the long term (NB Threads was very optimistic!).
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by pmoriarty on Saturday November 08, 2014 @05:04PM (#8578286)
Threads is probably the most chilling nuclear holocaust movie I've ever seen. Highly recommended (if you can find a good copy).
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by arethuza on Saturday November 08, 2014 @06:21PM (#8578485)
Actually, the BBC did one documentary that was in some ways even scarier than Threads: Q.E.D. - A Guide To Armageddon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GJttnC8PoA

It goes through the details of what would happen if a 1MT bomb exploded the center London - which is, of course, completely catastrophic. Then it calmly mentions that London would have probably been hit by at least 30 bombs...

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by RobertKerans on Sunday November 09, 2014 @06:19AM (#8579647)
...and there's Peter Watkins' The War Game (BBC again), still an incredibly powerful and disturbing piece of filmmaking.

Wiki: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Game Clip here (first airburst over Kent): http://youtu.be/WcmZ1vhoqkY

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by bdunbar on Sunday November 09, 2014 @02:04PM (#8580535)
> While the US people thought, that their Minuteman, other missiles and strategic bombers would give some protection,

Well .. _I_ never thought that.

MAD is great theory, but it's got some some really bad failure modes.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by bane on Saturday November 08, 2014 @10:20AM (#8577071)
I grew up right at the tail-end of it, the 1984 Red Dawn was a perfectly reasonable scenario. Whenever I think the hysteria was completely insane I think back to my parents and grandparents and some of the truly bizarre notions that happened during their youth: duck and cover, public bomb shelter drills, etc.

People actually paid significant parts of their yearly salary to build, stock and maintain nuclear bomb shelters in their backyards...in places like Ohio.

Something like this [1] was just seen as mildly eccentric, not something that would get you institutionalized with severe paranoia.

1 - http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-1970s-undergro...

People, large numbers of them, actually believed (and it may have been true) that extinction-level global war was an accidental launch away.

What's even more interesting is the long-term vestiges of these ideas have hung around, but without nuclear war being on the horizon they've morphed and latched onto other scenarios: a Republican-Democrat civil war, the Rapture, Zombie invasion, Disease outbreak, etc. These aren't just old shelters, these are brand new.

http://alpinesurvival.com/survival-shelters-for-sale.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/archi...

Though, I'm always struck with how everybody wants to outfit their end-of-the-world bunkers with modern living room entertainment centers complete with cable TV, wi-fi and comfortable home-office.

In any other scenario, somebody who spends millions of dollars to build 7,500 sq ft of underground EMP shielded comfortable living area with hidden and barricaded entrance, independent filtered air and water and multiple years of emergency food [2] would be dragged into emergency psychiatric care.

But instead these scenarios are talked about openly on major news networks, reviewed in popular magazines, and I can buy these supplies commercial and off-the-shelf -- there's industries that exist to do nothing but feed this demand!

2 - http://www.costco.com/32,000-Total-Servings-4-Person-1-Year-...

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by stan_rogers on Saturday November 08, 2014 @01:59PM (#8577799)
I remember when the monthly air-raid drills — first Wednesday of the month, 1:00PM — stopped, not because the Cold War had gotten any colder, but because the missile threat made the "I've got plenty of time to get to the shelter" bomber scenario almost laughable. I also remember the panic I felt, several years later, when the damned local siren went off (on the wrong day and at the wrong time of the day) because someone was digging where they shouldn't have been digging. I served in the Cold War military, and I'll admit to having an involuntary physiological reaction to hearing Slavic accents to this day. I mean, we knew that the apparent "sanity" of our leadership was really just a delicate spiderweb of constraints based on the desire to remain electable; we sort of hoped that there were similar little wire baskets holding the champagne-corks in place on the other side as well, even if they worked differently. And yes, we always suspected that somebody on the other side would go rogue, and had no reason to believe that the people on the other side didn't see us the same way. We feared an accidental launch, but we also feared that some idiot, somewhere, would decide that they could actually get away with a first strike. To me, this stuff is all "just the other day"; I really can't tell you how happy I am to hear that there's a whole generation or two of people who can't really understand a goddamned word I'm saying when I talk about the old days.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by bdunbar on Sunday November 09, 2014 @01:40PM (#8580482)
> We feared an accidental launch,

For a while I stood sentry at a post that, I always felt, was a candidate for attack. At least, we had a bomb shelter and drilled on relocating, and living in that thing.

At 03:00 on cold mornings I wondered if, looking up, I'd see the re-entry glow on a warhead.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by cstross on Monday November 10, 2014 @08:39AM (#8583394)
I never lived more than ten miles away from a strategic target (in the UK -- which was going to be toast in that "limited tactical exchange") until the end of the cold war, in my mid-twenties.

Memories of that existential state make a really good wellspring for writers of horror fiction.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by mercer on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:25AM (#8577302)
> People, large numbers of them, actually believed (and it may have been true) that extinction-level global war was an accidental launch away.

Considering the Cuba Missile Crisis, perhaps that wasn't an entirely unreasonable expectation...

Reminds me of a fascinating (and rather depressing) alternative history of the missile crisis I read a while ago. I couldn't stop reading: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=...

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by CamperBob2 on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:35PM (#8579120)
Wow, that guy could step into Tom Clancy's shoes. Why is he doing all that A-level creative writing for free?
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by arethuza on Saturday November 08, 2014 @02:31PM (#8577903)
A novel with a back-story of a similar scenario is Resurrection Day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_Day

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by jstatus on Saturday November 08, 2014 @04:23PM (#8578190)
Fun fact -- the shelters in Montana shown on alpinesurvival.com are from a new-age survivalist cult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Universal_and_Triumphant...). I know this because I grew up in it, and actually lived on the street shown in the photo. Everybody sunk their life savings into them and racked up the credit card debt in the late 80s. Yes, connected to the cold war, but for larger "karmic" reasons of course. You should thank them though, it was only through their prayers that nuclear war was averted! Needless to say, most people didn't believe that, and membership collapsed after the Berlin Wall fell. The shelter at CUT's headquarters reportedly was able to have hundreds of people live for decades, and was the largest private shelter in the US. A whole new level of crazy, folks.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by arca_vorago on Saturday November 08, 2014 @04:52PM (#8578259)
Was it really that crazy considering all the "we were about to press the button but didn't" stories that have surfaced about that era since? It was a very real possibility.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by Dylan16807 on Sunday November 09, 2014 @12:31PM (#8580324)
>Was it really that crazy

'it' being what? Preparing for fallout is not crazy. Joining a cult is crazy.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by sitkack on Sunday November 09, 2014 @02:20AM (#8579338)
Just because it "turned out well" doesn't mean that they were wrong. It also doesn't mean they weren't crazy.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by waterlesscloud on Sunday November 09, 2014 @11:10AM (#8580127)
One of my friends spent his teen years building those shelters. His mom was in the cult. Makes for a great story, in any case!
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by pmoriarty on Saturday November 08, 2014 @04:43PM (#8578237)
"People actually paid significant parts of their yearly salary to build, stock and maintain nuclear bomb shelters in their backyards...in places like Ohio."

See "Doomsday Preppers"[1][2]

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Preppers

[2] - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=doomsday+preppe...

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by bdunbar on Sunday November 09, 2014 @01:37PM (#8580475)
> truly bizarre notions that happened during their youth: duck and cover, public bomb shelter drills, etc.

Duck and cover wasn't bizarre, in context: it's a way to survive a nuclear explosion that isn't in one's lap.

Public shelter drills, also: if one expects one's country to be bombed, then knowing where one's nearest shelter is makes sense.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by philwelch on Saturday November 08, 2014 @10:40AM (#8577153)
That emergency food supply would feed a family of four for a year, that's not "multiple years" of emergency food if you actually have a family of four. If you have a family of six it won't even last one year.

Emergency food supplies are also useful for things like earthquakes and other natural disasters where you might have to stay put for awhile but you won't be able to make it to the grocery store either. You might need a week of food instead of a year, but if you don't have one and your neighbor does you'd probably be grateful if he shares.

Alternatively, you could just eat it and reduce your food expenses to less than $84 a month.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by cstross on Saturday November 08, 2014 @01:06PM (#8577631)
Or you might be doing it for religious reasons:

https://www.lds.org/topics/food-storage?lang=eng

(Devout Mormons are supposed to maintain a stockpile of food. I suspect Costco get much of their custom for this preparedness pack from members of the LDS ...)

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by judk on Sunday November 09, 2014 @11:13AM (#8580132)
Religious reasons are just insanity reasons proxies through family and friends.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by philwelch on Sunday November 09, 2014 @05:48PM (#8581183)
Most successful religions have a small dose of insanity and identity carrying a payload of genuinely good moral and practical advice. Stockpiling food is a rational, practical thing to do. The "insanity" in LDS has more to do with things like transdimensional space gods or dodgy, ahistoric ideas about where the American Indians came from.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by bane on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:35AM (#8577334)
who said people only buy one of these?
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by iolsantr on Saturday November 08, 2014 @12:12PM (#8577466)
Extreme emegency preparededness is insane, but buying a yacht is not? I don't think there is anything wrong with someones hobby being building and stocking their secret fort in the back yard.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by andreasvc on Sunday November 09, 2014 @10:02AM (#8580003)
I think that most people who buy a yacht then proceed to enjoy using it. Preparing for the end of the world is different because it is based on an arguably incorrect judgment call, and the investment will typically not pay off.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by bane on Saturday November 08, 2014 @12:59PM (#8577610)
Actually people who compulsively buy things can have an identifiable mental illness.

Why would people who compulsively believe the world is about to end then spend all their money on emergency shelters, food and guns not?

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by mlonkibjuyhv on Saturday November 08, 2014 @08:46PM (#8578785)
Modern western civilisation is grounded on compulsive consumption. I can agree it's insane, but I don't think we're all mentally ill.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by digi_owl on Tuesday November 11, 2014 @04:20PM (#8592245)
Makes one wonder where the line between mental illness and indoctrination goes...
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by Houshalter on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:56PM (#8579165)
Ohio is right in the middle-ish of the country and would likely be affected by fallout (as would almost everywhere.) If you don't have a few inches of dirt or concrete between you and the fallout for a few days, your odds are not good.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by iolsantr on Sunday November 09, 2014 @09:33AM (#8579952)
I've no idea who made this map: http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1376/37/1376372253480.... , but it looks like people who live in or near Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus or Cleveland would have signifcant concerns about direct nuclear strikes. Ohio is historically a major manufacturing center in the US. And Wright Patterson AFB is a major logistal and administration center of the Air Force.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by sah88 on Sunday November 09, 2014 @01:03PM (#8580382)
Does anyone have any reasonable explanation for the concentration of strikes in North Dakota/Montana? I'm not American but I'm under the impression that both states are pretty much a whole lot of nothing, moreso back then. Only thing I can think of is ICBMs going up over the pole and launch sites are concentrated there?
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by bdunbar on Sunday November 09, 2014 @01:43PM (#8580492)
Missiles. Lots and lots of missiles up there.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by thisjepisje on Sunday November 09, 2014 @08:08AM (#8579819)
Reminds me of this excellent PKD story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster,_You%27re_Dead!

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by jkn on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:59AM (#8577430)
Thanks for the links. But really, it would be terribly wrong to institutionalize people just because their choices seem irrational to us.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by j_baker on Saturday November 08, 2014 @04:22PM (#8578185)
I don't know. Our generation certainly had our fair share of military madness. What about the Gay Bomb? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by cyorir on Saturday November 08, 2014 @03:15PM (#8578016)
To be fair, the use of chickens in this project would have been perfectly reasonable. The chickens simply act as a heat source to protect the mechanism, they do not power it. An engineer today would likely make use of the thermoelectric effect to generate heat through electricity. Why use chickens instead? A few reasons might be: Materials were not as advanced then, so an electric mechanism would have been less reliable and more prone to failure; an electric mechanism would require its own power source, which could create its own problems; an electric solution could generate noise or otherwise be observable; a chicken is sufficient.

Why would chickens be sufficient? In winter the temperature a small distance underground is reliably stable, and warmer than temperature above ground. They likely would have been able to get a good idea of what the operating temperature would be and what they would need to offset it. Luckily, the heat output of a chicken is also reliably measured/estimated.

On the other hand, the whole notion of creating a nuclear mine is completely bad. No way to justify that.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by bdunbar on Sunday November 09, 2014 @02:00PM (#8580520)
> No way to justify that.

Sure there is. Like this ..

We need to be able to destroy a lot of Russian tanks, and logistic tail.

We'd like to be able to do this when they are beyond artillery range.

Rockets are unreliable. Airplanes can be shot down.

Thus, nuclear land mine.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by sitkack on Sunday November 09, 2014 @02:26AM (#8579347)
If this had been the states, why not make it a homeless shelter?
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by joosters on Saturday November 08, 2014 @10:11AM (#8577045)
...the rocket's flight range was less than its lethal radius of effect

Reminds me of an old RPG called Paranoia, which featured nuclear hand grenade bombs. I never realised that weapons similar to that joke actually existed!

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by mcguire on Saturday November 08, 2014 @12:46PM (#8577561)
Send in the clones!
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by pcrh on Saturday November 08, 2014 @09:33AM (#8576948)
That reminds me of the pigeon-guided missile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by mpweiher on Saturday November 08, 2014 @12:29PM (#8577516)
I see your pigeon and raise you a bat. As in bat-shit-crazy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

When they tested them, the bats incinerated an Air Force base.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by caf on Saturday November 08, 2014 @04:17PM (#8578177)
This is my favourite picture of the Davy Crockett:

http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Da...

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by jacquesm on Saturday November 08, 2014 @06:10PM (#8578454)
It's the bigger dick foreign policy at work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CghWWWXSUUU

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by graycat on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:08PM (#8579065)
That's a total riot!

Some parts are true. The rest are too close to being true.

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by steveax on Sunday November 09, 2014 @04:07PM (#8580900)
God I miss Carlin.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by jacquesm on Monday November 10, 2014 @05:26AM (#8582811)
Yep. My fix is that I play his stuff with some regularity. Check out Billy Connolly as well if you haven't discovered him yet.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by jacquesm on Saturday November 08, 2014 @06:08PM (#8578451)
The Davy Crockett is one of the most scary devices ever made. You could smuggle that thing into just about anywhere with relatively little chance of detection. I assume they kept good track of where those ended up, that's as close to a suitcase nuke as there ever existed (as far as I know). That's a proliferation nightmare and the only good thing about it is probably that it's very hard to make a small nuke work reliably.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by guizzy on Saturday November 08, 2014 @10:45PM (#8579025)
Not a suitcase, but a backpack bomb existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Muni...

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by jacquesm on Sunday November 09, 2014 @03:17AM (#8579397)
That's the same warhead.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by diogenescynic on Saturday November 08, 2014 @07:04PM (#8578590)
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, “You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I’m just not close enough to get the job done.” - George Carlin
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by carelesslisper on Saturday November 08, 2014 @08:53PM (#8578798)
There's an excellent little book with those two and many others equivalently bizarre accounts on nuclear weapons and nuclear energy: http://www.amazon.com/A-Short-History-Nuclear-Folly/dp/16121...
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by e12e on Sunday November 09, 2014 @11:56AM (#8580236)
I think the scariest part is the insistence on using the past tense. As if the US (and it's antagonists) can't still destroy the world several times over.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by ams6110 on Saturday November 08, 2014 @10:22AM (#8577077)
Let's keep in mind that people have actually not ony conceived but carried out heious atrocities including genocide with far more ordinary devices.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by stonogo on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:31AM (#8577313)
Why?

His point is to illustrate the depths of depravity to which cold-war weapons designers were allowed to dive. What is yours?

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by mikeash on Saturday November 08, 2014 @05:36PM (#8578354)
If the Cold War had gone hot, it would have surpassed all prior genocides, wars, and other atrocities since written history began, combined.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by tomohawk on Sunday November 09, 2014 @11:50AM (#8580217)
It was bad enough just the way it was, with 80 - 100 million people being killed by the communists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_...

Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by dbbolton on Saturday November 08, 2014 @10:02AM (#8577019)
Why couldn't they just bury the mine below the frost line?
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by stonogo on Saturday November 08, 2014 @11:34AM (#8577328)
Because the problem wasn't "ice," the problem was "cold," especially when you're dealing with finicky moving parts regarding pressure switches and tilt switches. There are tons of components of the era that were subject to thermal variance: oil-and-paper capacitors, wire coils in transformers and inductors, etc etc. We take solid-state reliability for granted these days, but there was a time before.
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by sitkack on Sunday November 09, 2014 @02:56AM (#8579377)
For once I applaud the British and their shitting engineering!
Re:Almost Everything in “Dr. Strangelove” Was Based on Fact by harisamin on Saturday November 08, 2014 @03:22PM (#8578042)
That’s pretty amazing