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Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by teuobk on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:09PM (#8328133)
Still lacking is consensus on why violent crime has declined. Depending on who you ask, reasons cited include:

- Mass incarceration (usually credited with about 25% of the crime decline)

- More gun control (e.g., the 1994-2004 assault weapons ban)

- Less gun control (e.g., the rise of "shall-issue" concealed carry permits)

- Cultural change

- Banning of lead in automotive fuel [Nevin 1999]

Perhaps all of these mattered; perhaps none did. We don't really know.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by omegaham on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:47PM (#8328261)
1. Crime pays less than it used to. Back in the good old days, people carried more cash on them. Pickpocketing and mugging was reasonably profitable when everyone had money. These days, everyone has credit cards. I frequently carry less than forty dollars; I've gone weeks where I have zero cash in my wallet.

2. It's harder to avoid the fuzz. Police techniques have gotten dramatically better. Everything from witness protection programs (Now you can testify against the mob boss without worrying about feeding the fish) to analysis of crime patterns means that police are collecting more evidence than ever before.

3. Entire avenues of crime have disappeared due to 1 and 2. For example, auto theft has declined dramatically due to the institution of chipped keys, GPS tracking, and the easy apprehension of chop shops.

4. While violent crime has declined in profitability, white-collar crime has become much more lucrative. There's big money in identity theft, for example. This means that the ambitious criminals who would have previously been robbing banks and mugging people are now doing their crime online and over the phone.

I don't think that these things are exclusively responsible; I'd just like to add them to the nice list that you have going.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by toomuchtodo on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:32PM (#8328429)
> 4. While violent crime has declined in profitability, white-collar crime has become much more lucrative. There's big money in identity theft, for example. This means that the ambitious criminals who would have previously been robbing banks and mugging people are now doing their crime online and over the phone.

Just want to add to this credit card theft (i.e. Target and Home Depot). The rewards are so much higher, and you never have to face someone in person to steal from them.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by adventured on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:30AM (#8328616)
And you can do it from almost anywhere in the world, including countries that would be very hard to extradite you out of.

Pre-modern Web it would have been far more difficult - nearly impossible - for someone from eastern Europe to steal money from me in any manner.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by smcl on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @03:28AM (#8328915)
This is the sort of casual prejudice about eastern europe that I despise. Sure you can probably say something like "well I just picked Eastern Europe at random" but I think we all know that's not the case, and that's a little sad.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by toomuchtodo on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:27AM (#8330429)
Prejudice is not the same as fact and statistics:

http://eprints.qut.edu.au/73391/1/73391.pdf

"Phishing and related cybercrime is responsible for billions of dollars in losses annually. Gartner reported more than 5 million U.S. consumers lost money to phishing attacks in the 12 months ending in September 2008 (Gartner 2009). This paper asks whether the majority of organised phishing and related cybercrime originates in Eastern Europe rather than elsewhere such as China or the USA. The Russian “Mafiya” in particular has been popularised by the media and entertainment industries to the point where it can be hard to separate fact from fiction but we have endeavoured to look critically at the information available on this area to produce a survey. We take a particular focus on cybercrime from an Australian perspective, as Australia was one of the first places where Phishing attacks against Internet banks were seen. It is suspected these attacks came from Ukrainian spammers. The survey is built from case studies both where individuals from Eastern Europe have been charged with related crimes or unsolved cases where there is some nexus to Eastern Europe. It also uses some earlier work done looking at those early Phishing attacks, archival analysis of Phishing attacks in July 2006 and new work looking at correlation between the Corruption Perception Index, Internet penetration and tertiary education in Russia and the Ukraine. The value of this work is to inform and educate those charged with responding to cybercrime where a large part of the problem originates and try to understand why. "

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by testing3212 on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:00AM (#8330307)
I'm only one data point, but I've had three credit cards used maliciously. Each pre-auth for 1 dollar came from a company somewhere in Europe. After my card had been shut off, I would get a call asking about transactions, and they would all start off with that similar transaction.

Perhaps the person stealing the information is based anywhere, but the company commonly issuing the pre-auths is in Europe?

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:04AM (#8330326)
You may despise it, but I think that we can objectively say that Eastern Europe has a significant computer crime scene.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by rat87 on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:08AM (#8328553)
> Police techniques have gotten dramatically better. Everything from witness protection programs

In what ways have witness protection programs improved? More money? I can't think of any technological changes that help here and although I have no knowledge of such a think I think social networking would make Witness Protection a lot harder(not just using your old name/putting up pictures/auto face tagging but possibly something invloving your social graph)

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by cafard on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @10:55AM (#8330278)
Witness protection programs appeared not that long ago, between thirty and forty years ago. I don't think that they are relevant for most street crime, but rather for investigations of organized crime.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by pterhx on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @04:39AM (#8329090)
> 1. Crime pays less than it used to. Back in the good old days, people carried more cash on them. Pickpocketing and mugging was reasonably profitable when everyone had money. These days, everyone has credit cards. I frequently carry less than forty dollars; I've gone weeks where I have zero cash in my wallet.

On the other hand, now everyone has a smartphone in their pocket. My friends and I entered Southeast Asia with four phones and left with one. None of our wallets were pickpocketed, but that may just be chance.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by superuser2 on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @05:20AM (#8329212)
iOS 7 devices are bricks when stolen if Find My iPhone is enabled. Android could get there eventually. That might well be a technological problem with a technological solution.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by evli on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:25PM (#8328401)
Another possibly is the increase in abortions, removing unwanted children that may have potentially become criminals.

src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_e...

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by toomuchtodo on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:33PM (#8328434)
Also, the Superfreakonomics chapter on that:

http://freakonomics.com/books/freakonomics/chapter-excerpts/...

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by chubot on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:16PM (#8328163)
Throwing out guesses:

- It's harder to avoid being caught now. Could a 70's style Mafia survive today? I doubt it. I think we can give some credit to better police techniques. Before DNA testing it was probably way easier to get away with murder (literally).

- Absolute wealth has risen (although inequality has risen as well). The magnitude of crime you need to commit to survive without "real" income is lower than it used to be.

- Probably something to do with wealthier people migrating towards cities again. Although that could be the effect of lower crime and not the cause.

- Some crime has moved online, which can't be violent.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by brownbat on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:36PM (#8328440)
> Could a 70's style Mafia survive today? I doubt it.

RICO deserves a lot of the credit. Capone was booked on tax evasion instead of, say, all the murders. It took almost 40 years for an effective federal racketeering statute to be passed, and longer still for police and prosecutors to learn how to use it.

RICO has its downsides, has been criticized for providing too much power to law enforcement. It's a pretty solid mob busting tool though.

That said, two caveats. First, I'm not sure how much of crime is due to organized crime. I'm not sure that affects your bigger point though, that police techniques (as well as maybe legal tools) have improved.

Secondly, note that organized crime does exist today. La Cosa Nostra is still around, as are various eastern European and Asian groups. Albanian groups are apparently one of the most formidable rising threats. Organized crime is probably harder, but it's also probably adapted to find ways to not get caught.

Historical crime stats by category: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

CRS paper on organized crime in the US: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40525.pdf

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by applecore on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:45PM (#8328246)
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by seestheday on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @02:50PM (#8331673)
That was a great article. Thanks for that.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by redwood on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:55PM (#8328296)
My favorite theory: Cellphones. Now black markets do not require real estate, which means no bloodbaths for prime territory. Cellphones turned the black market into a ubiquitous thing that's all about lead gen!
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by brownbat on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:47PM (#8328476)
Nice. And now Instagram, haven for sales of prescription strength cough syrup: http://noisey.vice.com/blog/lean-on-me

(Though I guess that article still has some threats as spillover, threats on the internet are pretty common, so maybe they're acted out less frequently?)

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by msluyter on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:20PM (#8328176)
Kevin Drum has been making the case for lead quite passionately. Some interesting articles:

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-li...

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/02/lead-and-crime...

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by ddebernardy on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @04:04AM (#8328998)
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by thelettere on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:07AM (#8328548)
Rise of more sophisticated, engaging and cheap entertainment - especially movies, video games, and the internet.

Can't believe no one mentioned this - and on a tech site no less. Why commit a murder and go to jail when you can get just as much sadistic pleasure with none of the consequences by doing it in a video game or vicariously through a movie character?

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by vacri on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @04:45AM (#8329107)
I've thought about this vector as well, and it's not just about sating bloodlust - a lot of crime happens when people get bored. A greater variety of entertainment that is much easier to access keeps the boredom at bay. It's the 'circuses' part of 'bread and circuses'.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by spacehome on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:11PM (#8328145)
Add legalization of abortion to that list.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by dfc on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:17PM (#8328369)
The abortion explanation has been repeated so frequently that many people have accepted this explanation without digging further into the details. This is one of many explanations that Steven Pinker discusses in his book "Better Angels of our Nature." I am not sure it is as clear cut as you imagine: (I apologize for the lengthy excerpt)

  When I  told people  I was writing  a book on  the historical  decline of
  violence, I was repeatedly informed  that the phenomenon had already been
  solved. Rates of violence  have come down, they explained  to me, because
  after abortion was  legalized by the 1973 Roe  v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court
  decision, the unwanted children who would  ordinarily have grown up to be
  criminals were not  born in the first place, because  their begrudging or
  unfit mothers had had abortions instead. I  first heard of this theory in
  2001  when it  was proposed  by the  economists John  Donohue and  Steven
  Levitt, but it  seemed too cute to be true.147  Any hypothesis that comes
  out  of left  field  to explain  a  massive social  trend  with a  single
  overlooked event will  almost certainly turn out to be  wrong, even if it
  has some  data supporting it at  the time. But Levitt, together  with the
  journalist  Stephen Dubner,  popularized the  theory in  their bestseller
  Freakonomics ,  and now a  large proportion  of the public  believes that
  crime  went down  in the  1990s because  women aborted  their crime-fated
  fetuses in the 1970s.

  To be  fair, Levitt went  on to  argue that Roe  v. Wade was just  one of
  four  causes of  the crime  decline, and  he has  presented sophisticated
  correlational statistics  in support  of the connection. For  example, he
  showed that  the handful  of states that  legalized abortion  before 1973
  were the first to see their  crime rates go down.148 But these statistics
  compare  the  two  ends  of  a long,  hypothetical,  and  tenuous  causal
  chain—the  availability of  legal  abortion  as the  first  link and  the
  decline in crime  two decades later as the last—and  ignore all the links
  in between. The links include the  assumptions that legal abortion causes
  fewer unwanted children, that unwanted children are more likely to become
  criminals,  and that  the first  abortion-culled generation  was the  one
  spearheading the  1990s crime  decline. But there are  other explanations
  for the overall  correlation (for example, that the  large liberal states
  that first legalized abortion were also  the first states to see the rise
  and fall of  the crack epidemic), and the intermediate  links have turned
  out to be fragile or nonexistent.149

  To begin  with, the freakonomics theory  assumes that women were  just as
  likely to  have conceived  unwanted children before  and after  1973, and
  that the  only difference  was whether the  children were  born. But once
  abortion was legalized, couples may have treated it as a backup method of
  birth control and may have engaged  in more unprotected sex. If the women
  conceived  more unwanted  children  in  the first  place,  the option  of
  aborting more of them could leave the proportion of unwanted children the
  same. In  fact,  the proportion  of  unwanted  children could  even  have
  increased if  women were emboldened by  the abortion option to  have more
  unprotected sex in the heat of the moment, but then procrastinated or had
  second thoughts once they were pregnant. That may help explain why in the
  years since  1973 the proportion  of children born  to women in  the most
  vulnerable categories—poor, single, teenage, and African American—did not
  decrease, as the freakonomics theory  would predict. It increased, and by
  a lot.150

  What  about  differences  among  individual women  within  a  crime-prone
  population? Here  the  freakonomics  theory  would  seem  to  get  things
  backwards. Among women  who are  accidentally pregnant and  unprepared to
  raise a child, the ones who  terminate their pregnancies are likely to be
  forward-thinking, realistic, and disciplined,  whereas the ones who carry
  the child  to term  are more  likely to  be fatalistic,  disorganized, or
  immaturely focused  on the thought of  a cute baby rather  than an unruly
  adolescent. Several studies have borne  this out.151 Young pregnant women
  who  opt for  abortions  get better  grades,  are less  likely  to be  on
  welfare, and are more likely to finish school than their counterparts who
  have miscarriages or carry their pregnancies to term. The availability of
  abortion thus may  have led to a  generation that is more  prone to crime
  because it  weeded out just  the children  who, whether through  genes or
  environment, were most likely to exercise maturity and self-control.

  Also, the freakonomists’  theory about the psychological  causes of crime
  comes right out of “Gee, Officer Krupke,”  when a gang member says of his
  parents,  “They didn’t  wanna have  me,  but somehow  I was  had. Leapin’
  lizards! That’s why  I’m so  bad!” And it  is about  as plausible. Though
  unwanted children  may grow up to  commit more crimes, it  is more likely
  that women in  crime-prone environments have more  unwanted children than
  that unwantedness causes criminal  behavior directly. In studies that pit
  the  effects of  parenting against  the  effects of  the children’s  peer
  environment, holding  genes constant, the peer  environment almost always
  wins.152

  Finally,  if  easy  abortion  after 1973  sculpted  a  more  crime-averse
  generation,  the  crime  decline  should have  begun  with  the  youngest
  group  and  then  crept  up  the age  brackets  as  they  got  older. The
  sixteen-year-olds  of 1993,  for example  (who  were born  in 1977,  when
  abortions were  in full swing),  should have committed fewer  crimes than
  the sixteen-year-olds of  1983 (who were born in 1967,  when abortion was
  illegal). By similar logic, the  twenty-two-year-olds of 1993 should have
  remained violent,  because they  were born in  pre-Roe 1971. Only  in the
  late 1990s,  when the first  post-Roe generation reached  their twenties,
  should  the twenty-something  age  bracket have  become less  violent. In
  fact,  the opposite  happened. When  the first  post-Roe generation  came
  of  age  in  the late  1980s  and  early  1990s,  they did  not  tug  the
  homicide statistics downward; they indulged  in an unprecedented spree of
  mayhem. The crime decline began when  the older cohorts, born well before
  Roe, laid  down their guns and  knives, and from them  the lower homicide
  rates trickled down the age scale.153
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by sillysaurus3 on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:55PM (#8328504)
The typesetting/justification of your text looks beautiful. I know it's been a solved problem for fixed-width fonts for roughly forty years, but what tool did you use to lay out the text like that? Some emacs magic or vim plugin? (I wish HN had a private messaging system for offtopic but harmless questions like this.)
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by dfc on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:08AM (#8328550)
No need to apologize, a private message would mean that others do not get to benefit from you asking a question;)

I used `par` to typeset the text. It has not been updated in over a decade but I have never found a better tool for this. The documentation leaves a little to be desired but I think a lot of that is due to the flexibility of the program. For that specific quote I used `cat text | par 75j` with the man page recommended value in $PARINIT.

http://www.nicemice.net/par/

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by teddyh on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @04:46AM (#8329113)
This is possible to do in Emacs by:

1. Going to the end of a line and pressing “Ctrl-x f” to run the set-fill-column command, to set the desired line width. (The default value is 70 characters.)

2. On each of the paragraphs, pressing “Ctrl-u Meta-q” to run the fill-paragraph command (with an argument to modify it to do justification as well as word wrapping).

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by smileysteve on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:03AM (#8330318)
You make great points with the increase in births and demonstrated forward-thinking population information.

I do find these surprising as it's important to note that, while Abortion was illegal prior to Roe vs. Wade, there were certainly many performed. The legalization mostly made abortions available in a safer and more accessible manner, particularly to the poor or less forward-thinking.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by vaadu on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:36PM (#8328221)
Is it just abortion or an increased use of conception prevention methods and morning after drugs?
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by damon_c on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:19PM (#8328172)
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by Retric on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @02:59AM (#8328864)
Several people have mentioned gaming, but it's more than just an outlet.

People spend a lot more time indoors due to video games and the internet. Fewer interactions mean less random third party crime. Also, credit cards credit / debit cards reduced the amount of cash people walk around with at the same time stuff became less valuable. So there is just less money to be made robbing people / houses.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by adventured on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:36AM (#8328631)
Looking forward to adding the end of drug prohibition / war on drugs, to this list in the coming decade. In theory there should be another significant drop in crime, from the reduction in direct and indirect drug crime.

In fact, I'd argue there are only two concentrated causes of crime left in America: prohibition, and black + immigrant poverty (with the war on drugs and the prison machine having a significant role to play in black poverty).

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by collyw on Thursday September 18, 2014 @06:26AM (#8334502)
Do white nationals in poverty not commit crime?

My assumption would be that crime is poverty related (I think this has been shown in various studies) and nothing to do with immigrant / black part.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by PaulAJ on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @03:27AM (#8328914)
The decline in violent crime only exists as long as you exclude all of the violent crime that happens in prisons.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by wanderingstan on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:05AM (#8330332)
I've seen this mentioned before but never any sources. Can you back this up?

I'm no fan of the US's bloated prison system, but the numbers don't seem like they'd add up.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by shakethemonkey on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:46PM (#8328473)
#1 reason is probably aging population. Young people, in particular young men, commit more crimes.

A nice animation (though this is England/Wales):

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-18854073

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by Igglyboo on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:44PM (#8328243)
Can you explain the lead in automotive fuel thing?
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by Crito on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:57PM (#8328301)
Crudely put, the idea is that lead in gasoline meant lead in auto fumes, which mean lead in the air. Lead in the air meant lead entering the body through the lungs, which meant mass low-grade lead poisoning / developmental problems.

Less crudely put: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#Toxicity

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by analog31 on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:03PM (#8328326)
The above links to Mother Jones do a pretty good job. To make a long story short, the lead in the fuel came down to earth in solid particulate form, and formed fairly high concentrations in the soil, where it was ingested by kids.

Noting Crito's comment, I don't know if inhalation or ingestion was the primary vector.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by Crito on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:08PM (#8328344)
I was under the impression that inhalation played a large role; suggested by elevated crime rates in urban areas where there was an abundance of car fumes but next to zero farming.

I may be wrong about that; I'll have to read more about this topic.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by analog31 on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:00AM (#8328525)
What I remember reading is that kids ingest a finite amount of soil in the course of simply being outdoors. In fact lead forms some compounds that are actually tasty, and I think it was in the time of the ancient Romans that they boiled wine in lead pots to produce lead acetate, an artificial sweetener.

But inhalation would make sense too.

Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by rectangletangle on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:16PM (#8328165)
Hell I remember reading an interesting study posted on here correlating leaded gas to crime rates. According to the study elevated ambient lead levels correlated with higher crime rates. Though in all likelihood there's probably a multitude of reasons.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by staunch on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:50PM (#8328282)
- Gaming (1985 NES release)
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by jsmcgd on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @07:16AM (#8329446)
Violent crime is decreasing across the western world which suggests that factors that are only relevant to one country/culture are unlikely to be the main driving force of this phenomenon.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by bilbo0s on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @10:49PM (#8328276)
Rise of marijuana as drug of choice as opposed to amphetamines like crack.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by dfc on Tuesday September 16, 2014 @11:32PM (#8328428)
Crack Cocaine is not in the amphetamine category of drugs. Moreover, this explanation totally ignores the plague that is methamphetamine.
Re:Perceptions haven't caught up to decline in crime by oofabz on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @01:41AM (#8328726)
There is not much correlation between the graph of crime rates in the article and this graph of marijuana usage:

http://www.samhsa.gov/data/NSDUH/2k11Results/NSDUHresults201...