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Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by reidman on Monday June 01, 2009 @04:39AM (#635779)
Instead of packing slips we've been including cardstock 'receipts' with each of the orders we ship. We write the recipient's name, circle the merchandise they purchased, and include a hand-drawn sketch featuring characters from the game (example: http://forum-files2.fobby.net/0012/7914/chimera.jpg )

It was tedious at first, but people raved about them. Eventually we wised up and started offering store coupons to the community's artists in exchange for drawings. It's really added value to our products and simultaneously strengthened our community. Win/win!

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by 10ren on Monday June 01, 2009 @04:48PM (#636759)
Very cool. If you number them (the drawings), they could become collector's items.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by alex_c on Sunday May 31, 2009 @08:42PM (#635261)
I'm not entirely sure I agree with the point about the receipt. I want to be left with a memory of how awesome an experience was, not how much I paid for it. For something like Starbucks, having a stack of receipts that are nice to look at and inform me in a pleasant, easy to read font exactly how much money I'm spending there might make me reconsider my expenses in a hurry. Forgettable receipts might have an advantage after all.

Of course, this is all theory... I would love to see some actual data!

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by 10ren on Monday June 01, 2009 @03:07AM (#635709)
But luxury meals are enhanced by paying more for them. They are prestige purchases, and "prestige pricing" increases sales, according to data in marketing textbooks. How much you paid becomes a positive part of the experience, and worth remembering.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by reduxredacted on Monday June 01, 2009 @04:19PM (#636709)
While I agree with your point, it gets lost when applied to Starbucks. There seems to be a groundswell of people who have suddenly realised that it's totally unreasonable to charge what they charge for a cup of coffee. The sheer ubiquity of Starbucks has also reduced their luxury allure. Might be nice to have a pretty receipt, but as far as Starbucks is concerned, they might want to reduce the font of the price and ensure it smudges easily.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by 10ren on Monday June 01, 2009 @04:44PM (#636753)
OH yeah, his Starbucks example doesn't really make sense - I was thinking of the architecturally designed home and the $1000 restaurant meal. It's a bit weird how he starts with two compelling luxury data points, then overgeneralizing to... a $6.02 purchase.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by gamache on Monday June 01, 2009 @05:22PM (#636826)
I disagree that luxury meals are enhanced by their high price. I eat for the food, and superlative, exquisitely prepared food tends to cost more. Overall experience, most notably accomodating and non-intrusive service, is important as well.

I think a handsome receipt gives a "nice touch" feeling about a restaurant experience; in a similar way, a flimsy receipt may stick out as the only dumpy aspect about a meal.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by dcurtis on Sunday May 31, 2009 @08:47PM (#635268)
I'd like some data too!

Anyone own a chain of restaurants? Do you want to implement better receipts and the hardware/infrastructure required? I'll help.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by anigbrowl on Sunday May 31, 2009 @09:07PM (#635294)
Usually the point-of-sale software, card readers, and receipt printer come as a package, and don't play particularly nicely with 3rd part equipment. You make a good point, but part of the reasoning behind modern receipts (of the kind you hate) is that thermal paper involves the least amount of operator overhead - put in a new roll every so often, no need to worry about separate ink cartridges etc., plus they're fast.

If you want to propose an alternative, I'd start by obtaining a copy of Quicken POS (a common piece of software) and a consumer photo printer, to see how practical it is to print out custom receipts. Then you could look into commercial volume printing solutions and see what sort of budget you'd be looking at.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by kylec on Sunday May 31, 2009 @10:44PM (#635422)
If there's one company that I would have thought could have pulled it off, it was Apple. I was pretty disappointed when I walked into an Apple Store to find the employees using Windows CE-based handhelds which, of course, printed the same uninspired receipts found everywhere else. I do hear they're trying to replace them with iPod Touch-based systems, but I haven't heard anything about whether or not the receipts themselves will also be upgraded.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by fallentimes on Sunday May 31, 2009 @09:11PM (#635300)
I don't, but these guys would be worth talking to:

http://twitter.com/NAKEDpizza

http://www.nakedpizza.biz/

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by edw519 on Sunday May 31, 2009 @10:13PM (#635374)
"I make user interfaces...You can learn more about me here, here, and maybe here."

Hey Dustin, quick suggestion for a better user interface: put the name of the link in the original copy so that I don't have to mouse over the word "here" to see what it is.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by huhtenberg on Monday June 01, 2009 @02:46AM (#635687)
Also the "You should follow me on twitter" remark at the bottom of the page sounds somewhat arrogant to me.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by radley on Monday June 01, 2009 @04:12AM (#635755)
and go the extra step and actually say @dcurtis, since someone may need to look it up.

Suggested approach: "Follow me @dcurtis"

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by Tichy on Monday June 01, 2009 @04:02AM (#635747)
I found it amusing.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by Lagged2Death on Sunday May 31, 2009 @09:31PM (#635323)
Example of fancy, highfalutin' restaurant receipt:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterme/3729304/

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by timcederman on Monday June 01, 2009 @01:50AM (#635614)
I had a booking for last Friday, but my wife cancelled it just before the deadline for fee-free cancellation. I'm still disappointed, but the money we saved in not going literally afforded us a last-minute weekend in Hawaii instead.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by pavel_lishin on Monday June 01, 2009 @03:58PM (#636671)
I can't imagine a meal being better than a weekend in Hawaii.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by davidw on Monday June 01, 2009 @03:52AM (#635739)
> The toilet paper is even custom made with the logo of the executive’s company embossed on each sheet

I am not sure what I would think if I were a shareholder, but "we're paying this guy too much, and this is how he shows it" would come to mind.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by ryanwaggoner on Monday June 01, 2009 @05:23AM (#635812)
It could be his company.

The bigger issue that I see is that I don't want people wiping their ass with my brand :)

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by ynniv on Monday June 01, 2009 @09:38AM (#636047)
Really? Not the "20-foot-tall floor-to-ceiling windows that expose the entire San Francisco Bay"?
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by davidw on Monday June 01, 2009 @10:20AM (#636108)
That's "nice", something someone would work hard for - hopefully the reward for a job well done. Company branded toilet paper is 'frivolous' and, as Ryan pointed out (I didn't want to say it), I'm not sure what kind of message it sends to have people cleaning their nether regions with your company's logo.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by ynniv on Monday June 01, 2009 @05:16PM (#636806)
A personable one? Hopefully not a lasting one...

Its tacky to decide that someone is overpaid by your perception of how they spend their money. You make fun of a $10 roll of toilet paper, but they might have paid twice what their house was worth or gave most of their money to charity. Maybe the toilet paper was supposed to be funny, and you just didn't get the joke. Its better to justify salary by productivity to the company than by personal preferences.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by luigi on Sunday May 31, 2009 @10:25PM (#635393)
One time, at Canoe in Atlanta, the server gave us a business card at the end of our meal (it was nice, as business cards go). Canoe also seems to use a CRM to keep track of their customers, as they said "Welcome back" when we did come back.

Those practices, just standard practices for any modern business really, made for a much better experience than a pretty receipt would.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by jonah on Monday June 01, 2009 @03:00AM (#635701)
I think you're hitting on the essential point of the article which is customer experience and creating a positive memory.

One of my clients is a high-end boutique. Their purchase experience is good by nice retail standards - high-quality bag, tissue with ribbon, etc. But then the do little extras like presenting your receipt in a little card stock slipcase and hand-writing you a thank-you note a few days later. It is the little things that matter.

I'd agree that the MASA receipt is pretty rudimentary, but as another commenter mentioned, it's largely a factor of the POS system. (And apparently not high on their selection criteria list.)

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by javert on Sunday May 31, 2009 @08:47PM (#635266)
I bet if somebody made a receipt printer that could print nice, customizable receipts and interface with existing equipment, they'd get plenty of customers.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by ieatpaste on Sunday May 31, 2009 @11:09PM (#635444)
How about a pc inkjet printer? They can actually be hooked up to the nice touchscreen ones you see at restaurants. If size/perception is an issue, why not try a small photo-printer such as the new Polaroid PoGo.

Also, as a side note, Starbucks might not be the best fit since it's a relatively low-price-point commodity. Both previous examples were high-price-point, luxury experiences, which would benefit from 1) the lack of a bad reaction 2) receipt as a marketing tool since you create worth through creating a souvenir. Starbucks on the other hand, would only benefit through the latter, where you create worth through impressions (kind of like those annoying magazine signup forms). This is actually not helpful since Starbucks doesn't need any more impressions due to their many stores, and when you throw them away from the back seat of your car, you'll indirectly attribute the brand to junk.

It would be nice to see online services mimic retail merchandising techniques.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by javert on Monday June 01, 2009 @03:27AM (#635724)
Using an inkjet printer is a good idea (maybe).

No offense, but your second paragraph is way too long for a comment.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by ryanwaggoner on Monday June 01, 2009 @05:22AM (#635811)
There is a strong correlation between comment quality and length; if you wanted to compare the quality of comments on community sites, average length would be a good predictor.

http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by javert on Thursday June 04, 2009 @01:57AM (#641017)
I'm saying that a paragraph that long is uncomfortable to read, given that HN comments span most of the width of the page. It needed to be broken into multiple paragraphs.

Frankly, I'm offended that I got downmodded so much on this. People clearly did not carefully read what I said.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by stillboy on Sunday May 31, 2009 @10:56PM (#635434)
I think most receipt printers have the capability to print graphics. The problem is more that the software vendors do not offer this capability, or it is not utilized.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by jonah on Monday June 01, 2009 @03:09AM (#635713)
Here's a company doing more "useful" receipts by supplying customized nutritional information for exactly what you've purchased. They're fairly nicely designed as well if not a bit busy. http://www.nutricate.com/
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by brc on Sunday May 31, 2009 @10:41PM (#635416)
Car manufacturers should take note as well : the ker-thunk of a door, and heft of a well damped indicator stalk, the soft-feel plastic of a door handler transmit quality, even if the rest of the car is run-of-the-mill. This is where VW leads in giving a quality feel, even though it's cars often feature badly in quality reports.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by ynniv on Monday June 01, 2009 @09:45AM (#636057)
I've often felt that the best part of BMW's 325 is simply the lack of poor parts. The biggest annoyance that comes to mind is that the last door is hard to close because the cabin is air tight. Granted, I like a specific model year above others, but its interesting to note that slight luxury and a lack of deficiencies has produced a car with a legacy.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by jcromartie on Sunday May 31, 2009 @09:08PM (#635297)
That receipt concept is a waste of paper mass and ink. Sure, they could improve receipts a lot, but that's not the way to do it.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by fallentimes on Sunday May 31, 2009 @09:13PM (#635302)
Why not? I think it's at least worth experimenting with to see what happens.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by jcromartie on Sunday May 31, 2009 @09:48PM (#635339)
You don't need to do any experimentation to know that a full-color receipt with lots of black on heavy stock is going to use more resources than thin thermal paper.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by ynniv on Monday June 01, 2009 @09:36AM (#636041)
Reducing waste is like performance optimization - you should only do it once your code is correct. The original poster just paid $1000 for a meal probably consisting of fish that was pulled from the ocean on the other side of the planet 12 hours ago. The resource cost of acquiring this food, preparing it, and operating the restaurant will dwarf the cost of a nice receipt. If you prefer, they could hand write it on nice post consumer recycled stationary to save some "trees".
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by kscaldef on Sunday May 31, 2009 @10:05PM (#635366)
But, that's his whole point! He's saying that it's incongruous and inadvisable to cheap out on the design and production of the receipt when it's one of, if not the, final impression a diner will take away from your restaurant.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by davidw on Monday June 01, 2009 @03:56AM (#635743)
Ok, and that might work when it's a $1000 meal, but not for Starbucks.

Also, why does the receipt look like an iPhone app?

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by bestes on Monday June 01, 2009 @03:08PM (#636583)
Um, because the iPhone is cool? Also note he said it was more a concept, not what you would actually impliment.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by ars on Sunday May 31, 2009 @09:59PM (#635353)
That's not as obvious as you think. Thermal paper costs more to make than regular paper.

I bet it costs less to print solid black on regular paper with a laser printer, than thermal paper.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by fallentimes on Sunday May 31, 2009 @09:56PM (#635351)
Ah, I see what you're saying. I read "waste" in terms of ROI not gross resources.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by mrduncan on Sunday May 31, 2009 @08:45PM (#635262)
As far as restaurants go, I notice that the receipts have a way of sticking with me (pockets, etc.) long after I've forgotten about the meal. I'm sure I'm not the only one either.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by dkarl on Monday June 01, 2009 @06:42PM (#636957)
I wonder if you can brand fat....
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by bouncingsoul on Sunday May 31, 2009 @08:41PM (#635260)
Another thing you touch and interact with in a home is light switches.

It's amazing to me how nice odd light switches are. Twisty knobs or metal buttons – anything besides the normal off-white plastic switch and cover.

They don't play as well with my muscle memory, but that inefficiency becomes a good thing somehow: it's something I remember.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by randallsquared on Sunday May 31, 2009 @10:58PM (#635437)
Actually, whenever I've been in a place with odd lightswitches, it's been pretty annoying. First, if I have to figure out how to use it by trial and error in the dark, that's a problem. Second, if I'm expecting to live there for years, I'm going to have to replace them, and then, very likely, I'm going to have a bunch of wonderfully different switches, and one that stands out because I could get it at Home Depot, and I couldn't find anyplace to buy one like the others.

All that said, I prefer the wide rocker switches over the lever switches that I grew up with, so I'm not knocking change, just variety. :)

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by eds on Sunday May 31, 2009 @09:39PM (#635327)
When I'm hunting through my papers for receipts, I want those things to look like what they are--receipts. The only drawback to the existing MASA receipt that I can see is that it's harder to make your web page look good when you're trying to show it off on your blog later.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by gsmaverick on Sunday May 31, 2009 @08:34PM (#635249)
He makes a very good point. When you pay $500 for a meal it is very disappointing to see a receipt like that. I never really thought of the receipt as a marketing opportunity but now I realize how important receipts can be as a marketing vehicle.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by ankhmoop on Sunday May 31, 2009 @10:46PM (#635424)
Unless you're going to deliver a receipt that matches my meal in value, I don't particularly see the point. I don't want some stock-printed receipt merely intended to impress.

Receipts are just receipts, and there's no real value you can provide for me there. Instead, remember who I am, and welcome me back next time.

I should also note that the author's point could have been better elucidated without relying so heavily on braggart anecdote.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by grandalf on Sunday May 31, 2009 @10:44PM (#635423)
But who really wants a receipt unless you're expensing the dinner? I'd much rather have some record emailed to me and have nothing to worry about keeping track of or putting in my pocket.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by ivankirigin on Sunday May 31, 2009 @11:36PM (#635481)
Houses are always works in progress. I'd like all my receipts to be digital. You touch furniture more than fixtures.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by anc2020 on Monday June 01, 2009 @07:31AM (#635905)
Only got through the first half before my the flickering in my status bar was so irritating I had to stop reading. Sorry Dustin but if you're talking about user experience, please do not have my browser ajax your site every couple of seconds.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by breck on Sunday May 31, 2009 @11:19PM (#635454)
I like this idea (would love to see test data). It reminds me of how Apple innovates in so many ways to create a better customer experience.

When you buy something from the Apple store they ask if you'd like the receipt emailed, printed, or both.

I generally opt for email only.

It's not quite the same thing as mentioned in the article, but it is similar in that it's much nicer than just getting handed a flimsy receipt.

Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by nopassrecover on Sunday May 31, 2009 @08:46PM (#635264)
Great points and I'm still amazed by his article presentation.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by darkhorse on Monday June 01, 2009 @11:27AM (#636213)
what about the crappy user experience of having a blog and no place for people to comment?
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by reduxredacted on Monday June 01, 2009 @04:13PM (#636699)
That's a good point, really. I mean, look at all the comments his work has gotten here on HN. That seems like one of those rather obvious details that was "intentionally" overlooked.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by chanux on Monday June 01, 2009 @10:51AM (#636151)
That writing is "Simple & Amazing"
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by dylanz on Sunday May 31, 2009 @08:52PM (#635277)
Excellent article. I usually don't log in to HN, or comment frequently, but I had to bump this one up.
Re:The Flimsy Doorknob & The Forgettable Receipt by danbmil99 on Monday June 01, 2009 @12:50AM (#635535)
That shit at Masa better be damn good for $400 plus tax & tip.

And what's with the forced 20% service on dinner for two?