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Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by untog on Thursday July 11, 2013 @12:18PM (#6027001)
As someone who takes a lot of photos with my phone, this interests me a lot. Though as someone who has previously used Windows Phone, I'm very skeptical about going back to it.

This is the first device that makes me wonder about Nokia's WP-exclusive decision. They didn't go with Android to avoid becoming "yet another" Android manufacturer, and I agree with that sentiment (look at how few are turning a profit). However, there are no Android devices that really excel at stuff like photography- I think that Nokia could have carved out an interesting niche in solidly built, feature-focused devices.

But oh well.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by 300bps on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:12PM (#6027412)
I've had the Lumia 928 for 3 weeks now. My three previous phones were iPhone 3G, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4s.

Part of me wishes that I would've gone Windows Phone sooner but the realistic part of me realizes that Windows Phone 7 was still nowhere near the quality of iOS.

Windows Phone 8 is a completely different matter though. It's superior to my old iPhones in almost every way. Live tiles, SkyDrive integration (much better than iCloud especially if you get the 25 GB free from Microsoft), much better maps application, tight OneNote integration, native Office support, excellent Remote Desktop support. The other thing that's important to note is that the web browsing is just as good and email is just as good. I actually do those two things more than any other function on my phone.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by cpursley on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:37PM (#6028155)
As a long time iOS guy who's been using Windows Phone (Nokia) for over a year, I can honestly say it has the best UI in terms of usability for the form-factor. You're right - the map smokes all others. The only issue I have is the non-webkit IE browser and lack of a few key apps.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by Metrop0218 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:39PM (#6028178)
IE 11 will include WebGL support [1], and due to Microsoft's 'core systems' sharing across big Windows and Windows Phone, this is likely to propogate down to the phone.

However the lack of webkit will remain :(

[1] http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/06/ie11

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by akruckus on Thursday July 11, 2013 @03:24PM (#6028520)
The big issue with not previously including WebGL support was glaring security issues right? Doesn't WebGL essentially use root access to your gpu?
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by cscheid on Thursday July 11, 2013 @03:53PM (#6028707)
> Doesn't WebGL essentially use root access to your gpu?

Only in badly-designed, non-conformant user agents. :)

The WebGL security issues have, for at least a year, been FUD. The spec is essentially fixed, drivers have become a whole lot better, and browsers have become a whole lot stricter in their validation code. WebGL is not OpenGL nor OpenGL ES.

Examples: while the OpenGL ES spec is silent on buffer overflows, WebGL mandates user agents to signal errors; while OpenGL ES doesn't specify the state of freshly allocated textures, WebGL requires them to be blanked out; WebGL textures can never be from non-origin-clean canvases.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by gcr on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:06PM (#6029229)
Except on Linux. As an anecdote, as recently as January, visiting any WebGL sites that used any shaders would reliably panic my kernel with NVidia hardware and the NVidia binary blob. I then switched to Intel hardware which is much more stable but also shows how much variance there is here.

For me to be comfortable with WebGL, we'll have to really train graphics card manufacturers to take security issues as seriously as web developers do. That isn't going to happen any time soon.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by cscheid on Thursday July 11, 2013 @09:00PM (#6030251)
Huh, if you don't mind me asking, which video card? I've used linux+nvidia pretty exclusively for work and never seen anything near as bad on linux (I do run higher-end cards than the average PC, though).

On OS X, on the other hand...

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by gcr on Thursday July 11, 2013 @11:08PM (#6030687)
If memory serves, it might have been a "Quadro NVS 110M", which is equivalent to the super-old "GeForce Go 7300". It was an old laptop.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by dstorey on Thursday July 11, 2013 @07:18PM (#6029923)
MS has also focused a lot on security in its WebGL support. For example, it security audits the drivers.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by dave1010uk on Thursday July 11, 2013 @06:23PM (#6029664)
FYI, Android devices will soon not use WebKit, as Chrome is changing to Blink. Whilst Blink is a fork of WebKit, I believe that the differences between mobile Safari and mobile IE will be as small as the differences between Safari and Chrome.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by untog on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:18PM (#6027449)
At the risk of starting a device war, I'd agree with everything you've said, except that Android does a lot of those important things better still. Maps in particular- Google Maps is utterly unparalleled.

But it's all down to the user- I have no requirement for Remote Desktop support, so that doesn't matter to me. I don't use OneNote or Office, and use Dropbox for file syncing.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by tommis on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:25PM (#6028050)
Long time ago I had an old Windows phone, HTC Diamond and some other wierd pda/phone type thing that was awful. Since that I went "Android" - I've used HTC Hero, Desire, Xperia Arc and Xperia S. Now I'm using Lumia 920 I got from my workplace.

I used to think that Google Maps was great, but after using Nokia's HERE maps I have to say, HERE is better. Not sure if it's the hardware, but first of all it's A LOT faster than Google Maps ever was. Secondly, HERE maps work offline (altough I just heard Google is finally enabling this with their maps).

Without wanting to sound like fanboy, the 920 is a great phone: it just works. The UX is better than in android, mainly because different apps all follow same guidelines on how to implement UI navigation/actions.

On the android phones I had, most of the time it was "free for all" with the UX as different manufacturers and devs implemented their own ideas on how nav/actions should work.

Other things I can say about 920: battery time is great, wifi (and wifi sharing) work flawlessly, sound quality is great both ways and the _camera_ is best I ever used in a mobile phone. It just puts all other mobile phones to shame.

I'm looking forwards to 1020 and hope to get one when they are available.

Only bad thing I can say is the Windows store and apps. I miss quite a few apps I used on my android phones. It's a shame so many devs only focus on apple/android.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by mayanksinghal on Thursday July 11, 2013 @03:07PM (#6028394)
Offline maps has been available since at least 2 years. I think you had to long tap a point, choose Save offline from the menu, choose the dimensions of the square that pops up and the square becomes available offline.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by maaaats on Thursday July 11, 2013 @04:20PM (#6028925)
Yes, but that downloaded map data is useless. You cannot search in it, find any routes in it or anything. You have to use the net and query Google. So it's more caching of the view than actual map data.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by TeMPOraL on Thursday July 11, 2013 @07:21PM (#6029934)
Not only that, but every now and then Google Maps want to check something over the Internet and just locks itself with an undismissable spinner and "Loading" message until you find a connection.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by mayanksinghal on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:42PM (#6029427)
Well, it is seems like caching of the actual map data, but the application itself is not capable of performing the searches or figuring out routes. Since the device I am talking about was really not that powerful enough to perform that kind of computation, it could be intentional.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by ximeng on Friday July 12, 2013 @03:11AM (#6031320)
It also only lets you download 5 "squares" at a time for some reason.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by gebe on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:25PM (#6027508)
Nokia Maps is _amazing_ and has been since the Symbian days, even more so by the fact that you can download maps beforehand (whole countries) and use them offline. Utterly unparalleled might be a bit harsh.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by nivla on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:29PM (#6028085)
I can vouch for this, Nokia Maps is just amazing. The ability to download maps offline is extremely convenient, not just when you are out of the country and don't have a data connection, but also when you are running low on battery.

However, I am still surprised how we got here, we went from having offline maps on all GPS devices in the beginning of last decade to online only maps by the end of it! Now we have to tout the ability of having offline maps as a feature?

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by sirkneeland on Friday July 12, 2013 @12:20AM (#6030899)
Well yeah, google wanted it in the cloud. How are they going to track and thus monetize you if you're not phoning home for the map?
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by untog on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:33PM (#6027583)
Last time I tried Nokia Maps (on a WP7 device probably a year ago, admittedly) I tried searching for a nearby location by entering a partial address. It failed. I tried searching for a cross street without using name suffixes. It failed.

Point is, everyone has different needs from a Maps app. I don't drive, so don't need navigation. I just need to enter an address quickly and find out where it is, so offline downloads don't really do anything for me.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by tommaxwell on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:04PM (#6029219)
I don't drive either, so walking/public transit directions are INTEGRAL to my survival. I haven't played with a Windows Phone in almost two years, though.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by barista on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:27PM (#6029337)
Nokia maps has all of those plus handy apps like onebusaway
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by kalleboo on Friday July 12, 2013 @01:36AM (#6031105)
> Point is, everyone has different needs from a Maps app.

Exactly. For instance Nokia Maps don't cover Japan, so they're a complete non-starter for me.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by sirkneeland on Friday July 12, 2013 @12:21AM (#6030901)
POI data used to be notoriously bad for Nokia maps. They have been working hard to address it, and now it is up to "mediocre" ;)
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by sp332 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:33PM (#6027580)
Google Maps can download maps beforehand, but for some reason it won't let you plan a route without an internet connection. Probably because their route-finding algorithm would crush a phone or something :)
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by timmins on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:19PM (#6027972)
In the latest update, 7.0, there's quite a bit of conversation that this is no longer possible. It's recently come out that it can be done with a gimmick, typing 'okay maps' I believe, but it remains unintuitive as a primary task let alone worthwhile feature.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by ams6110 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @11:52PM (#6030821)
Their routes are mostly useless anyway. Just look at the map and figure it out.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by fulafel on Thursday July 11, 2013 @03:31PM (#6028576)
it usually just says "offline map not available for this region", or something like that.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by barista on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:45PM (#6027678)
That is definitely a thing that you don't appreciate until you have to use it. We were on road over the long weekend and were lost with no network connection. Thanks to offline maps on my Lumia 920 I was able to find the nearest road offline and get back on road to our destination.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by ctruzzi on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:06PM (#6027846)
I don't ever post here but figured I'd add my two cents to this. I got a Nokia Lumia 928 about 40 days ago (just passed time for insurance). This past weekend I went on a trip from Seattle to Yellowstone. We had four people in the car and in most of Idaho and most of Montana there was very sparse 3G or LTE connection. My phone was the only one capable of doing offline GPS navigation. I've been quite surprised with how much I've enjoyed my Windows 8 phone and only become angry with the lack of games when I'm on the toilet.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by upthedale on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:55PM (#6027755)
I recently returned back to the UK from a 2 week long US road trip, covering 2000 miles. We downloaded the Nokia Drive data for the states we were visiting in advance onto my girlfriend's cheap Lumia 710, as we wouldn't have any data connection (not wanting to incur roaming charges). We were utterly dependent on the Nokia Drive app, and it performed exceptionally. Definitely recommended in place of a dedicated satnav.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by yid on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:29PM (#6028086)
Not to be glib, but it sounds like your Nokia saved you from adventure :)
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by barista on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:28PM (#6029346)
adventure that I didn't anticipate. Yes. and I am thankful for that :)
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by ams6110 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @11:54PM (#6030825)
Hard to imagine how anyone ever got anywhere before smartphones.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by mng2 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:48PM (#6028251)
I agree. In fact, I'm still using a Symbian phone, and the maps still work. (Offline maps are essentially the only smartphone-esque feature that I make use of on a regular basis, so I feel no need to upgrade.)
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by lettergram on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:22PM (#6029308)
I was working at jimmy johns as a driver about four months ago. One of the drivers there had a Nokia phone, I had an android, and obviously delivering you often get addresses that are sometimes slightly incorrect etc. Google maps never failed me, the windows phone guy would get lost constantly. I don't know why, could be just bad driving, but one thing that the google maps seemed to be better at was determining the location of businesses and for traffic and TRAINS (since the town I was in had 2 different tracks).

In short, I'd have to agree that google maps is unparalleled (important to note that the iPhone people didn't even bother using their maps).

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by ams6110 on Friday July 12, 2013 @12:25AM (#6030915)
Maybe the iPhone people just knew where they were going?

I used to deliver pizza. If you had to stop and look up addresses you lost money to the drivers who didn't. It was to your advantage to learn your way around the delivery area.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by Metrop0218 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:35PM (#6027596)
However, the software elegance is the primary differentiating factor.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by seanmcdirmid on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:16PM (#6027944)
+1 I haven't been able to get maps to work at all on my Nokia 920, I can't even figure what the map app is....everything is prefixed as Nokia something app with some weird names that don't work. Suffice it to say, I'm forced to use my old iPhone for anything that involves a map.

Windows phone would be much better if they offered a google map app for it.

Lets just to with an example...I wanted to find the nearest post office, typed it in, I got a result about 9 hours flight away from where I lived. Google maps was able to return something down the street.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by tommis on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:36PM (#6028138)
Install "HERE Drive+": http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/here-drive/31bbc...

Download the offline maps you need and you are good to go!

There's a manual here if you need one:

http://www.nokia.com/us-en/support/product/nokia-drive-plus/

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by seanmcdirmid on Thursday July 11, 2013 @06:14PM (#6029610)
Looks nice, but I don't drive!
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by tommis on Friday July 12, 2013 @01:09AM (#6031031)
The HERE Drive+ is designed specifically for in-car-use (to work as standalone satnav replacement), but they also have "HERE Maps", which will give you public transport and walking directions: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/here-maps/6c2863...
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by seanmcdirmid on Friday July 12, 2013 @01:47AM (#6031135)
What is available for the cn market? My phone is locked to that even though I'm American myself.

I was use ping here maps, or HERE whatever, there are a lot of them and I'm not sure what each does. It didn't help me find something as simple as the post office when I needed to mail off tax forms last month, which google maps and apple maps had no problem with. Very disappointing.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by sirkneeland on Friday July 12, 2013 @12:25AM (#6030911)
There are 2 such apps in the WP store. gMaps and another whose name I forget
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by devcpp on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:13PM (#6027914)
So none of you guys cares about openness, uh? Too bad, if more people, we wouldn't have the problem of closed platforms to begin with.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by nivla on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:57PM (#6028325)
I actually care more about having competition and choices than just openness. Open source softwares suffer from stagnation just like the closed ones when they are left with no competition. Which is why I am actively rooting for Ubuntu Mobile and Firefox OS. I am also hoping with more Mobile OSes, we will start seeing standards to interact and share data between them.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by sirkneeland on Friday July 12, 2013 @01:05AM (#6031016)
You should also root for sailfish. That is one beautiful and open OS
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by jcarney on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:19PM (#6027974)
Windows Phone is more open than iOS in the sense that you have multiple OEMs making multiple types of phones targeting different markets unlike the iPhone. For example, the Lumia 521 is just $130 off contract in the US. Also the walled garden prevents the malware problem that Android has. So it can be considered as a happy medium between iOS and Android.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by cpursley on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:39PM (#6028172)
The off contract 521 is awesome. I got a new one for $100 on ebay and it's specs are plenty for what I need. It rivals $500+ phones.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by Metrop0218 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:27PM (#6029343)
Yup, I managed to grab a new one at a Microsoft store for $86 (had a gift card and they had in store promos I abused). Most bang for the buck consumer product I have ever purchased.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by papsosouid on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:04PM (#6029218)
There is an open platform for phones?
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by Steko on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:50PM (#6029478)
"It's superior to my old iPhones in almost every way."

Unless you count battery life, GPU, probably CPU, form factor, build quality, the wildly superior app, media and accessory ecosystems. But other than that what have the Cupertianians done for us lately?

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by lotso on Thursday July 11, 2013 @06:27PM (#6029689)
As an iPhone user, I can chime in with my opinion.

It looks like the iPhone and 920 battery life are both pretty abysmal http://blogs.which.co.uk/technology/phones-3/best-phone-batt...

CPU and GPU for the end user isn't important. What is important is the perf of the UI, which WP7/8 have always been buttery smooth when compared to iOS and Android devices with better hardware.

I'd also say Nokia is very closely behind Apple in build quality if not on par. And their form factors have been great as well.

iPhone/iOS definitely has a better ecosystem, but the apps on WP8 are getting better.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by sgloutnikov on Friday July 12, 2013 @01:55AM (#6031162)
Apple better than Nokia in build quality? Oh my... Do I need to bring out the drop-tests various blogs have done?
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by Steko on Friday July 12, 2013 @02:18AM (#6031217)
Sure bring whatever you want. The build quality of iphones is attested to in scores of independent reviews and it's not the same thing as drop test resistance.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by sgloutnikov on Friday July 12, 2013 @04:13AM (#6031502)
For me: When a phone 'requires' a case to protect it from gentle use, even of putting it on the table so it will not get scratches is absurd. My iPhone 5 got scratched up before my case arrived, and I was so careful with it. I attribute this to 'build quality' also, it's not just how it feels.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by schuke on Friday July 12, 2013 @02:57AM (#6031289)
I think Nokia phones are more "sturdy", exemplified by its cheap phones that just won't break. Apple is more meticulous I'd say. I have a Lumia 920. There are just tiny little seams and creaks that one wouldn't find on an iPhone.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by Steko on Thursday July 11, 2013 @07:29PM (#6029966)
Here's battery life from a well known blog:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review...

No Lumia on there but I think that matches up with the general btty life rating for iphones. Some nokias in this listing:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Smartphone11/349

"CPU and GPU for the end user isn't important."

It certainly can be for certain apps.

"WP7/8 have always been buttery smooth when compared to iOS and Android devices with better hardware."

I'm not sure why you've lumped iOS with famously jittery Android (at least historically, 4.2 seems to have solved lag) since iOS is usually cited as the standard for smooth interface as in this initial WP 7 review from Josh Topolsky: "probably the most accurate and nuanced touch response this side of iOS4."

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/windows-phone-7-review/

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by erikpukinskis on Thursday July 11, 2013 @06:44PM (#6029774)
The battery life metric I care about is: how long will the battery last after I've been using all kinds of weird apps for a year.

That's where iPhone seems to excel. On a fresh install of Android, using just one built in app, it seems fine. But eventually the phone fills up with stuff that seems to drain it. Not sure how Windows Phone fares on that front.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by jeffasinger on Thursday July 11, 2013 @09:43PM (#6030374)
Absolutely that's a problem with Android. It's a natural consequence of having a platform where apps are free to access pretty much any hardware in the background with no review (that's a good thing if you're a developer though).

However, Android gives you tools to see which apps are using the most battery, and you can uninstall them if they're a problem.

Recently I noticed much worse battery life on my nexus 4, opened up the battery stats, and saw 30% of my battery usage was the consequence of a messaging app I don't use, deleted it, and got back to normal.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by rvschuilenburg on Friday July 12, 2013 @06:10AM (#6031843)
In this regard WP8 is very much like iOS and not even close to Android. Apps are 'tombstoned' when they are not the visible app. So no matter how many apps you install, when they're not open, they won't use battery.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by blub on Friday July 12, 2013 @05:12AM (#6031697)
Battery, build quality and form factor are not better for the iPhone. Battery's about the same, build quality is similar, but iPhone loses points for being either easy to scratch (black 5) or easy to crack (4, 4S). Apple in general makes stylish but not robust phones. iPhone loses on the form factor because it really has only one that is acceptable - the 5. I am typing this on a 4s and the screen is too small and the shape does not feel as good in the hand as the round polycarbonate Lumias.

CPU and GPU don't seem to be so different subjectively. Both are smooth.

The apps are vastly better on iOS, even the ones that are on both platforms e.g. one cannot insert rows in Excel for WP 7 or add annotations in Kindle. Support seems better for Apple, as Lumia 800 and 900 customers did not get WP8, while the older iPhone 4 will get iOS 7!

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by sp332 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:32PM (#6027567)
How do you do remote desktop? I've used WP8 for a while and haven't found one that's even decent.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by 300bps on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:19PM (#6027977)
I use RemoteDesktop from Topperware. The mouse and keyboard UI work very well for me.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by hbharadwaj on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:20PM (#6029304)
Teamviewer is present as well.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by darkmighty on Thursday July 11, 2013 @06:07PM (#6029570)
The image stabilization and a proper optics set seem nice, but honestly 41MP sensor is practically useless itself. Even professional cameras with high quality sensors are not usually sensor resolution limited - i.e. increasing resolution wouldn't be much use since at the pixel level the image is already at a significant noise level/optics limited. For such a small sensor and f-number, I guess 41MP is not only useless, it's detrimental, because you're paying for nothing. Although it's possible it may improve quality a bit wrt lower resolutions due to downscale averaging.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by sirkneeland on Friday July 12, 2013 @01:07AM (#6031024)
RTFWP (Read The Fking White Paper) to see how much more this is than just a big sensor.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by daliusd on Friday July 12, 2013 @03:26AM (#6031349)
... and by white paper you mean "marketing material"? I had Nokia PureView 808 and I agree that it is nice and helps making good photos when downscaled. Idea to use sensor in this way is really interesting but in the end that just covers one little thing from many that are important in photography. For the same (if not lower) price you can buy good compact (if it must be pocketable) or system photo camera (if size matters but can be slightly bigger) and enjoy all benefits of photography like high ISO numbers, big sensor (not in megapixels but by area that is more important than megapixels), possibility to change aperture (this one is big for me because of bokeh) and some other.

It is just a little bit bigger sensor in the end with one smart idea that is not contributing much.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by ladzoppelin on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:44PM (#6027671)
The 928, Windows8 mobile and Nokia Maps are amazing. Best decision I made was waiting for Nokia to get its act together. Windows 8 phone could be the best mobile OS if they release some more APi's for musical production and get some better applications in the market.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by atwebb on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:57PM (#6027774)
I've got to echo these sentiments, I've got a 900 and am "upgrading" today to a 920. It's a killer phone, I've really enjoyed it, though I came from the BB Torch so...
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by psbp on Thursday July 11, 2013 @12:34PM (#6027123)
I switch between iOS and Android, but the Lumia phones do seem attractive to me despite WP. They could have really differentiated in the android market, or at least forced Samsung to make some better hardware choices.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by epsylon on Thursday July 11, 2013 @12:56PM (#6027303)
WP, especially WP8 got pretty got reviews. Why the hate ? Especially with Nokia phones where you get Nokia Maps for free. I don't know of any Android phone where you get an offline quality GPS for free.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by 300bps on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:21PM (#6027477)
I went from iOS Google Maps->Apple Maps->iOS Google Maps on my iPhones. The Google Maps worked really well.

The HERE Drive+ from Nokia Maps though is fantastic. One nice feature (of many)... it shows you the current speed limit on every road that you're on. It also shows you your current speed and it is dead-on accurate. It can even be set to give an alert if you exceed the speed limit by x MPH.

Hands down, the built-in Lumia 928 maps application is better than any maps application I ever used on any of my three iPhones.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by untog on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:24PM (#6027496)
Maps app or Driving Navigation app? Because they're extremely different use cases. My experience with Nokia Maps was very poor, but I don't need to drive, so never got to try that out.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by TheAnimus on Friday July 12, 2013 @06:43AM (#6031907)
>My experience with Nokia Maps was very poor, but I don't need to drive, so never got to try that out.

I'm amazed by that. In London the mapping is top notch, it has pedestrian paths and such which gmaps is missing. However for Soho where bars come and go in weeks, its often out of date for POIs. But as normally if I'm in a place that changes often, I'll have data, that isn't an issue (one can always fall back to gmaps data).

But outside of London Nokia maps are hands down the best I've found. This holds true in the countryside of England, France, Spain, Italy, Morocco, Vietnam... I mean in the middle of nowhere Vietnam, I've good offline all the directions I need to my cycling. Amazing, gmaps didn't even have a road there, and bing, well lets not talk about bing maps. The only one that comes close is the Open Street Map project. But they lack POIs pretty much completely. On my motorbike in Thailand, I had not just Fuel places shown, but also coffee places. With no mobile phone signal...

Whilst I use windows phone as my primary device, I have some uses (SkyDemon) that require me to have an Android too, but I will say that the Nokia mapping is so bloody good, I bought a 720 (as in the UK they were £120 off contract!) for a friend as a travel phone, only for the mapping.

However, I don't use it when driving in the UK, because it doesn't have 'accident black spot warnings' or speed trap locations.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by seanmcdirmid on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:19PM (#6027979)
I don't drive, I mean, most people don't drive in my market....and that's where I'm supposed to look for maps on my 920?
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by jimueller on Thursday July 11, 2013 @03:02PM (#6028363)
HERE is a suite of applications.HERE Maps is ... maps, HERE Drive is the GPS/NAV app, and HERE Transit is public transportation.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by seanmcdirmid on Thursday July 11, 2013 @06:08PM (#6029576)
And none of them work! I mean, my phone is locked to the Chinese App Store, you'd think the built in apps would at least work here also.

Also, who the hell decided to give a bunch of apps the same prefix in an alphabetically ordered list?

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by blub on Friday July 12, 2013 @05:17AM (#6031709)
Most GPS apps are broken there due to gov rules, you'd have better luck buying a local cheap GPS device.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by ctruzzi on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:08PM (#6027861)
That's the one part I don't like about it but that's because I go 5-15MPH over the speed limit at all times.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by tommis on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:43PM (#6028208)
you can adjust the limit at which point it alerts you. You can set when the alert will go off area that have below 80km/h speed and those with speed over 80km/h. Mine is set to ping on 15km/h+ on the slower areas and 18km/h+over on the higher.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by barista on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:09PM (#6027882)
You can always turn that speed warning off if it bothers you.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by zimpenfish on Friday July 12, 2013 @04:20AM (#6031534)
They could also not be a dick and stick to the speed limit.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by mtgx on Thursday July 11, 2013 @12:48PM (#6027234)
And that's the problem with Nokia and their phones. People are buying them for the hardware, despite the OS. They could sell so much more with Android.

I'd say they could even beat Samsung in sales eventually (again). But right now I can't even extrapolate how much time it would take them to ever do that, if even possible.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by slantyyz on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:03PM (#6027359)
>> despite the OS

For a normal user, how much does the OS matter in 2013?

The OS playing ground is much more level today than it was in 2008.

I'll be upgrading my iPhone 4 soon, and frankly, I'll be considering everything OS out there. I'll actually be choosing based on hardware more than OS, because all the web services that I use are supported by every operating system.

I guess if you're really into apps, the ecosystem might matter, but I suspect a normal, non-geek really doesn't need access to hundreds of thousands of apps if their core needs are satisfied.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by martingordon on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:22PM (#6027483)
The OS doesn't matter; the apps do (at least the few "important" ones).

Most notably absent from WP is Instagram, which will be resolved when Hipstamatic launches for the OS.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by jbigelow76 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:42PM (#6027656)
WP8 is getting a native Vine app, and with Instagram playing "me too" on video this may force them to develop a native WP app.

There is a feature equivalent WP app that uploads to Instagram that is an unofficial Instagram app, can't remember the name now though, but for users that want Instagram the reviews have been good. It's pretty much everything Instragram is sans name.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by simba-hiiipower on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:03PM (#6027822)
its called instance [1], and yeah, its pretty damn good.

third-party devs really are the lifeblood of the wp ecosystem and continue to amaze me with the quality of the apps many of them put-out. coupled with an increasing capable mobile web, its made the app gap virtually non-existent for me.

[1] http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/instance/ef18d20...

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by sp332 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:35PM (#6027600)
Don't Fhotoroom http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/fhotoroom/acad1e... or Metrogram http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/metrogram/5dec28... let you share photos on Instagram already? Disclaimer: I've never used them.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by martingordon on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:53PM (#6028288)
The public Instagram API is read-only and it looks like the Windows Phone apps that support uploading do so through something called Instagraph, which seems to be an unsupported method of getting photos onto Instagram.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by barista on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:07PM (#6027857)
The "Windows Phone lacks apps" meme is getting old very quickly. But then again there is a grain of truth there. Most applications that you use day in and day out are probably already there natively or as a very good clone. The part that might hurt you is when the next hot application comes along it is likely that a native or clone for Windows Phone may not exist right away and you might have to wait for a few weeks to get it. Android also has this problem to some extent. If you are always chasing the new hot apps on your iPhone then you might stick to iPhones a bit longer until app makers warm up to Windows ecosystem.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by seanmcdirmid on Thursday July 11, 2013 @06:18PM (#6029633)
Try being locked to an obscure marketplace region like china, and it's much more painful. Facebook, Skype are all MIA, and you can't change your marketplace even if the software says you can (it just ignores your config options).

iPhones sold in china don't have this problem, so they are a safer buy.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by danmaz74 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:08PM (#6027384)
I agree completely, and in my opinion the stated reason not to go with Android - ie "being different" - is moot, when you consider that every phone maker can make windows phones too. Having a differentiation that you can't protect at all is not worth having many less apps to offer.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by untog on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:13PM (#6027419)
I agree completely, and in my opinion the stated reason not to go with Android - ie "being different" - is moot, when you consider that every phone maker can make windows phones too.

They can, but they don't. And Nokia is indisputably the king of Windows Phone world, even though HTC have created some perfectly great devices. It's unlikely that Nokia could ever topple Samsung from the Android top spot.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by danmaz74 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:32PM (#6027570)
You can be sure that they will, if WP will get traction thanks to Nokia.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by mtgx on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:52PM (#6027733)
How is WP compelling at all for other OEM's when Nokia has 80 percent of WP's market share? That's much worse than Samsung with 30 percent in the Android market. I wouldn't even consider it worth my time, especially when besides the extremely dominant market share of Nokia within WP market, it also means very few devices per total being sold. the numbers just aren't compelling at all for others. Plus, you have a lot harder time differentiating, too.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by danmaz74 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:17PM (#6027948)
Nokia has such a big market share because nobody wants a WP, but still enough people want a Nokia. If many people will start wanting a WP, many others will want in - especially the low cost manufacturers, which can simply differentiate on price.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by untog on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:37PM (#6027614)
There's a huge first-mover advantage in that, though. As I said- like with Samsung and Android. They're going to be incredibly difficult to shift now.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by danmaz74 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:10PM (#6027895)
Samsung wasn't the first mover for Android (HTC was the one), while Samsung was among the first movers with WP - the other ones were HTC, Dell, and LG. Nokia wasn't among them. So much for the first-mover advantage...
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by jcarney on Thursday July 11, 2013 @01:02PM (#6027345)
I am glad that there's more competition in the marketplace rather than just Apple and Android and that there are companies looking beyond earnings in their next quarter.

Apple could have probably made more money over the years by selling Macs with Windows and retiring their own OS.

Competition is good, for example see the flat look and concentration on typography that both Android and iOS borrowed from Windows Phone.

That's why I don't get all the deriding of Firefox OS and Ubuntu Phone. Android has plenty hardware OEMs behind it.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by vermontdevil on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:42PM (#6028199)
Exactly.

I tell everyone competition benefits us all. I find people railing at iOS or Android or anything else ridiculous.

Yet people persist in that. Oh well.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by miguelrochefort on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:04PM (#6027829)
What's the problem with Windows Phone?
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by chiph on Friday July 12, 2013 @10:53AM (#6032902)
I've had my Nokia 928 for about 6 weeks now. Like poster 300bps above, my previous 3 phones were all iPhones (we're like .. phone twins or something)

Overall, I like both the device and the OS. So far any nits I have are minor -- Only one volume setting for all the apps, touch screen is overly sensitive, polymer case is too slippery.

So far, the WP app store has had the applications I care most about. And since you can write apps in C#, it's more approachable to write for.

Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by miguelrochefort on Saturday July 13, 2013 @08:21PM (#6039347)
You know you can change the touch screen sensitivity?
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by znowi on Thursday July 11, 2013 @02:33PM (#6028117)
If you can wait until the fall, there are rumors that the next Nexus will feature some fancy pants camera.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by Metrop0218 on Thursday July 11, 2013 @04:31PM (#6029008)
I doubt it can top this though.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by hbharadwaj on Thursday July 11, 2013 @05:24PM (#6029319)
True - I doubt that any of the hardware manufacturers for Android have the technology to top what Nokia did with Lumia 1020. Nokia is completely invested in camera unlike HTC, Samsung, Motorola etc.,
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by daliusd on Friday July 12, 2013 @03:33AM (#6031369)
Samsung makes Android cameraphones as far as I know and they do it right IMHO. 41Mp are nice, I don't say anything (I had PureView 808 until I dropped and destroyed it), but it is not the most important thing in photography.
Re:Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper by kalleboo on Friday July 12, 2013 @02:20AM (#6031223)
The only Android manufacturer that seems to care at all about camera quality is Sony, and even they haven't really put their full emphasis on that lately.