Discussion on the front page (191 points, 121 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50471431

Not the same article, this one has orchestrator and some antigravity stuff

Excellent mode! I don't have to constantly switch between models and efforts.

I'm really curious how folks feel about this. I regularly use subagents, but typically make my primary implementation agent use Carbon (or equivalent).

I set up my subagents with specific models based on how complex I believe the problem space is. I'm nervous to delegate that authority to a model (since models tend to be... optimistic about their capabilities.)

That said, not every coding task is a difficult coding task. Plenty are boilerplate, plumbing, or simple test authoring that could use a flash model, so maybe this would downgrade nicely.

On the other hand, it's trivial for me to set up some guidelines to create different subagents for different task domains, and just pin those models to those tasks -- implementor (hard) and implementor (easy) or whatever.

The only reason to do this is to save usage on the subscription. but because the value for money is so terrible in antigravity, you’re better off just using Claude Opus or GPT Sol for everything.

I’m glad Google is kinda back, but today there’s no reason to code with Gemini.

FWIW I've found the complete opposite to be true, and have gone claude->chatgpt->gemini over the past few months.

Why?

Im slowly migrating more of my work to Gemini too, Gemini is a workhorse now, 1M context is huge and their reasoning took a huge leap with Argon. I'm not in software, I'm in physical engineering, and where Claude is unpredictable w.r.t. engineering risk, Gemini is steady, measured. That's been my perception, anyway.

This is essentially what Anthropic does with the advisor mode and what GitHub does with their multi-model pipeline using the HydraFusion model, which is just a large set of different models with different qualities used in a pipeline to produce an answer.

What I don't understand is how they all make it work with caching in general. Looking at how the advisor mode in claude work you seem to only be billed the output tokens and cache hit on the whole session when it calls out to the advisor, making it super cheap compared to running the more expensive model for the entire session.

I've found hydrafusion to be great, although it sometimes does an unnecessary review pass at the end for simple tasks too.

And I thought OpenAI’s name scheme was confusing.

I don't understand which model is supposed to be better. I think Carbon is the big model and Hydrogen the Flash equivalent? Only because of a Twitter leak though. Like I have no earthly idea based on the naming.

I guess carbon has a higher atomic number than hydrogen? It's definitely the least intuitive of all the naming schemes...

Which doesn't explain Argon which is the same cost as Carbon while being worse.

I thought it was just sorted alphabetically so Argon < Carbon < Hydrogen.

There is nothing confusing about it if you're at least a little bit educated. If anything, they are the least confusing, Ant drops the ball at opus->fable. For OpenAI, it's:

Luna, means "moon", smallest.

Terra, means "earth", bigger than the moon.

Sol, means "sun", the biggest object in the solar system.

Astra, plural of the word "astrum" which means "star".

Anyone who gets confused should be embarrassed.

Are there still some web devs (or LLMs with "rockstar front-end developer" prompts) which think it's ok to override native scroll behavior?

ps. it's freaking not

Amen, what the heck—after double-tapping to zoom and center the text on this page in Safari, scrolling down with a 2-finger touch gesture...also scrolls to the left? I struggle to understand how or why one would ever mess with such behavior.

Is google playing chemistry? First they launch Carbon, then hydrogen now next will be oxygen. Are they making models around periodic table of elements?

Sundar did say we'd periodically release new models.

I accept this dadjoke

Terrible naming, unless the atomic weight is some indication of size? When is Uranium-235 coming out? Not sure what this model is, is Hydrogen like Sonnet where Carbon is like Opus?

Thing is Carbon should be in the middle by this logic. But no - it is their heavyweight model.

Before I go and burn through my Pro tokens in four minutes again (looking at you, Argon): is this something usable with a mere Pro account? Or will this require Ultimate for agy?

nope. Ultra only like any Carbon use, for now

hear me out, finance: two hydrogens, but we call one carbon and allow it to do five more things than hydrogen can. and you can't do the pair-bonded mode for less than $100. by golly it just might work