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Re:Anthropic IPO by williamdclt on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:36AM (#50470096)
> Local models are already extremely good - good enough for most normal users

Are they? I'm on a macbook M5 pro 48GB (so, much better hardware than most users), and the speed alone is a problem, qwen 3.8 27b is ~10x slower than opus 5.5.

Capability-wise... For software engineering, qwen is nowhere near as good as opus 5.5. Might be fine if your usage of LLMs is close oversight, but it's not how I use them (I do review AI work closely and iterate, but I expect agents to autonomously do good work nowadays). I've not tested it much for "life assistant"-type things, but the speed would make it unbearable.

Re:Anthropic IPO by locknitpicker on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:44AM (#50470220)
> Are they? I'm on a macbook M5 pro 48GB (so, much better hardware than most users), and the speed alone is a problem, qwen 3.8 27b is ~10x slower than opus 5.5.

That's hardly relevant. I can use any local model through providers such as OpenRouter and get blazing fast prompt response times, and you're charged a small of what an OpenAI/Anthropic prompt costs.

What makes local models extremely competitive is the fact you do not need a huge data center to run them. The hardware they require is far from impressive. Check Mac studio benchmarks and how some models output >200token/second.

Re:Anthropic IPO by bluebands on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:46AM (#50470243)
Local and open-weights are different things

Also, open-weights models are more expensive per task than Haiku and Luna

Re:Anthropic IPO by locknitpicker on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:59AM (#50470441)
> Local and open-weights are different things

Yes they are, but you should understand what is the defining feature of a local model. Being able to run them locally is a consequence of that defining feature, not the defining feature. And it turns out that it makes them cheaper to run.

Moreover, you can run both local models and non-local open weights models through providers such as OpenRouter. They evem have Qwen2.5 7B.

> Also, open-weights models are more expensive per task than Haiku and Luna

You should really check your notes. Luna only remained competitive because OpenAI was forced to halve its cost just to avoid being dominated by open weight models. I seriously recommend you check out OpenRouter's benchmarks.

Re:Anthropic IPO by bluebands on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:01PM (#50470476)
I seriously recommend you check out the cost-per-task Pareto frontier, which not a single open model is on

https://artificialanalysis.ai/

Re:Anthropic IPO by locknitpicker on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:07PM (#50470586)
> I seriously recommend you check out the cost-per-task Pareto frontier.

I checked. OpenRouter provides their own. They use their actual cost, which is what they charge users, and their benchmarks results. Please, spend a few minutes to browse it. You'll notice that the likes of Luna is dominated by quite a few entries.

Re:Anthropic IPO by LUmBULtERA on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:23PM (#50472769)
Subscriptions are actual costs to users. And Openrouter doesn't consider that. If you're talking API prices, those aren't actual costs to inference providers.
Re:Anthropic IPO by bluebands on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:30PM (#50472879)
does not consider subscription subsidization
Re:Anthropic IPO by NewJazz on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:53AM (#50470360)
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Re:Anthropic IPO by amunozo on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:20PM (#50471728)
Compared with subscriptions, I don't think open models are that cheap. You can get an incredible amounts of API dollars for $20.
Re:Anthropic IPO by andriy_koval on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:58PM (#50474182)
until it is being subsidized.

We should check it in few months after IPO

Re:Anthropic IPO by airstrike on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:48AM (#50470273)
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Re:Anthropic IPO by kreneskyp on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:40PM (#50472056)
Only need $10k worth of hardware!
Re:Anthropic IPO by nicce on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:03PM (#50470509)
> macbook M5 pro 48GB

With couple affordable GPUs you can get it to 200t/s. Macbook is not the best price efficient example. Tensor parallelism is the key, the same technology that they use in the cloud.

Re:Anthropic IPO by JacobAsmuth on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:51PM (#50471278)
So instead of buying a $20 Anthropic subscription you recommend that the average person go out and buy a couple affordable GPUs and build a home server?
Re:Anthropic IPO by hnav on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:52PM (#50473206)
Once the memory cartel is reigned in by CXMT, Apple ships a Home with 512GB unified memory for <$10k. It'll have confidential compute so they'll let you sell tokens and they'll collect 30% for facilitating.
Re:Anthropic IPO by andriy_koval on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:53PM (#50474116)
> So instead of buying a $20 Anthropic subscription you recommend that the average person go out and buy a couple affordable GPUs and build a home server?

Ant moat is model. If model quality is not an issue for you, there are plenty of provides which will give you access to open models.

Re:Anthropic IPO by jefftk on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:35PM (#50471980)
I looked into this last week, and it seemed like if I wanted to get something in the Opus 5.5 range I'd be talking about $500k in hardware. Is this actually all much cheaper than I was seeing?
Re:Anthropic IPO by MaKey on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:28PM (#50473730)
The weights of Kimi K3.1 Pro are 1.56 TB. I guess with four of the upcoming MaixBlade cards from Sipeed you'll be able to run it without quantization but that setup would still be >$50k.
Re:Anthropic IPO by LUmBULtERA on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:20PM (#50472731)
What do you call a couple affordable GPUs?
Re:Anthropic IPO by naraic0o on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:04PM (#50470522)
what quant and engine? i have the same hardware and i get 40tps with a 4bit quant using omlx + splash. which is about the same as opus, or faster, maybe? with its caching the time to first token is also very impressive.
Re:Anthropic IPO by iAMkenough on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:52PM (#50471289)
Have you tried the open source splash inference engine? I have the same setup as you and find it fast enough for most tasks.

https://inco.ai/blog/splash/

https://github.com/incoai/splash