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Re:Anthropic IPO by locknitpicker on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:44AM (#50470220)
> Are they? I'm on a macbook M5 pro 48GB (so, much better hardware than most users), and the speed alone is a problem, qwen 3.8 27b is ~10x slower than opus 5.5.

That's hardly relevant. I can use any local model through providers such as OpenRouter and get blazing fast prompt response times, and you're charged a small of what an OpenAI/Anthropic prompt costs.

What makes local models extremely competitive is the fact you do not need a huge data center to run them. The hardware they require is far from impressive. Check Mac studio benchmarks and how some models output >200token/second.

Re:Anthropic IPO by bluebands on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:46AM (#50470243)
Local and open-weights are different things

Also, open-weights models are more expensive per task than Haiku and Luna

Re:Anthropic IPO by locknitpicker on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:59AM (#50470441)
> Local and open-weights are different things

Yes they are, but you should understand what is the defining feature of a local model. Being able to run them locally is a consequence of that defining feature, not the defining feature. And it turns out that it makes them cheaper to run.

Moreover, you can run both local models and non-local open weights models through providers such as OpenRouter. They evem have Qwen2.5 7B.

> Also, open-weights models are more expensive per task than Haiku and Luna

You should really check your notes. Luna only remained competitive because OpenAI was forced to halve its cost just to avoid being dominated by open weight models. I seriously recommend you check out OpenRouter's benchmarks.

Re:Anthropic IPO by bluebands on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:01PM (#50470476)
I seriously recommend you check out the cost-per-task Pareto frontier, which not a single open model is on

https://artificialanalysis.ai/

Re:Anthropic IPO by locknitpicker on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:07PM (#50470586)
> I seriously recommend you check out the cost-per-task Pareto frontier.

I checked. OpenRouter provides their own. They use their actual cost, which is what they charge users, and their benchmarks results. Please, spend a few minutes to browse it. You'll notice that the likes of Luna is dominated by quite a few entries.

Re:Anthropic IPO by LUmBULtERA on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:23PM (#50472769)
Subscriptions are actual costs to users. And Openrouter doesn't consider that. If you're talking API prices, those aren't actual costs to inference providers.
Re:Anthropic IPO by bluebands on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:30PM (#50472879)
does not consider subscription subsidization
Re:Anthropic IPO by NewJazz on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:53AM (#50470360)
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Re:Anthropic IPO by amunozo on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:20PM (#50471728)
Compared with subscriptions, I don't think open models are that cheap. You can get an incredible amounts of API dollars for $20.
Re:Anthropic IPO by andriy_koval on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:58PM (#50474182)
until it is being subsidized.

We should check it in few months after IPO