I wonder if this took into account GPU render-time fingerprinting? The minute timing differences in how you render an image are still used to identify you.

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This reminds me of some fucking bullshit about how browsers silently store canvas pixel data as premultiplied and try to transparently convert everything you put in and everything you take out, but silently corrupt color values in the process.

https://github.com/nagadomi/nunif/issues/32#issuecomment-153...

If you can run compute shader code, the fingerprinting and side channel possibilities become very rich. [1] is one paper among many on this topic.

[1]: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3634737.3656283

It does not - there are a lot of these sorts of techniques, but we specifically modeled what commercial fingerprinters do in the wild to provide a realistic number. I have not seen a commercial fingerprinter do those sorts of timing-based fingerprinting techniques. (Doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I've looked at more scripts that your average person and haven't seen it.)

Oracle has a product that does just this commercially.

I read they're not releasing the details - that seems good (for the public). Hopefully they're releasing it to privacy friendly browser makers.

funny how enabling letterboxing causes me to be in "under 100 samples" category

btw, is pixelRatio controllable somehow? how do I set it to 1, most common value?

wtf is "Maximum touch points" ?

> The digitiser's touch-point count, uncollapsed.

my laptop does not have touch screen, why am I not at 0?

interesting how Windows and Mac are almost at 100% of DRM enabled, meanwhile linux is only at 33%

anyone knows why is that?

I wish I could select what OS to sort values for

see f.e. "Highlight" (Resolved value of the Highlight system colour keyword, as RRGGBB), which has bajillion different values for android - and I can't find the most common ones for linux

Users of open source operating system want to be in control of their computer, DRM vendors want the same -> to be control of user's computer, which is a problem. Nearly every DRM system involve heavily obfuscated closed source binary blobs, that's something neither the users nor distro maintainers want to touch if possible.

Maybe it reports the resolution of the touchpad instead?

I understand that the HN crowd is composed of many different people with radically different interests and opinions, so an "average HN opinion" would be mostly meaningless, but still...

I find it mildly amusing that HN both loudly complains about bots scraping their websites AND is very interested in user privacy.

The conflicting part is that user privacy automatically means that you cede any control over how exactly does the user accesses your resource. Whether they use a web browser or an automated scraper. Any attempt to analyze requests to tie different requests made by the same actor together automatically means privacy violation.

I don't have a good answer to this dilemma yet, I just thought that this is a curious observation and wanted to share.

Um, no.

Scrapers and bots put a ton of effort into anti-fingerprinting. Ordinary users? Zero.

Users care mainly about cross-site fingerprinting. Bot-fighting is concerned with single-site fingerprinting.

The good answer to your dilemma is x402: https://x402.org/ Nothing in life is free; you've been paying with your attention via ads, which is where the urge to fingerprint comes from (targeting). Agentic AI is rapidly killing web ads as a revenue source. It's time to stop kicking the can on micropayments.

Also, this article commits the common mistake of assuming that privacy means hiding in the largest possible cohort. That's bogus. You can also get privacy by belonging to many one-member cohorts -- i.e. fingerprint uniquely but differently to each site you visit and differently to a single site over longer timespans (like weeks). This is precisely what Brave's "farbling" does; farbled users have very unique fingerprints and yet they can't be tracked.

> The good answer to your dilemma is x402: https://x402.org/ Nothing in life is free; you've been paying with your attention via ads, which is where the urge to fingerprint comes from (targeting). Agentic AI is rapidly killing web ads as a revenue source. It's time to stop kicking the can on micropayments.

Never gonna happen. Why would I pay to access content before I can even determine if the content is worth paying for? And if you let me see the content before I pay, what’s my incentive for paying at all?

Micropayments as a concept is predicated upon the idea that people are producing content worth paying for.

The inconvenient truth is that the vast majority of the pre-LLM web was not worth paying a single cent for, and the problem is even worse today.

On the face, yes, that is true. And it's what confused me about your post at first. Because I didn't see the connect between scraping and user privacy.

And yes, on the face, being able to determine whether a bot or a person is looking at your site is essentially trying to confirm some private information about the consumer.

But I think the dichotomy can be settled through the habits of consumption. Bots are impartial, greedy, and fast. They can consume resources faster than a human can. This could be a problem when trying to provide those same resources to humans.

Not to mention, the bots doing the scraping are doing so to put your content in their regurgitation machine. Which has been ruled as "not a copyright violation" due to "reasons". Whereas, a person who attempts to use your content without permission is liable for violating your copyright.

Now, if the position is "human users" have privacy, then we would need that critical piece of information before we decide whether to grant privacy to an entity. Also, the user is free to not use the resource if the rule is that we're allowed to determine whether they are human and the user doesn't want to share that information. As long as we don't pursue that information beyond what we've stated we're going to use it for, we can be said to be respecting the users' privacy. Also, if we don't disclose that information to other users or companies, we could still be said to be respecting the users' privacy, because information shared in confidence with us remains that way.

Oh, damn. I thought this was about the uniqueness of human fingerprints or similar.

This is HN…

Ran their fingerprinting test.

CSS Colours SelectedItem and SelectedItemText basically uniquely identified by alone, less than 0.0054 of Linux users.

Why?

Ah, yes, less than 0.0049% of users use checks notes 24-bit color.

Lots of Linux display managers, lots of themes. Try changing your theme and see if it changes the value.

> Your browser is not comparable to the dataset, so we have avoided showing you inaccurate results.

Yup. Because I use my own browser. Built from scratch with exception of V8, Stylo html5ever, and a few other bits and bobs. A fresh new rendering engine in Rust and all. Not a fork of any existing engine. Native support for uBlock Origin filter lists and custom filters. It scores above ~20 in speedometer as of today and covers WPT about 89%. Will be publishing it soon as permissive open source.

And cloudflare, akamai, and hcaptcha lock you out of 80% of the Web.

Nope. YouTube, for example, works like a charm. Settings allow users to select a user agent or set a custom one.

Given TFA, I have to assume you are bragging about being the most fingerprintable user on the Web.

Correct, sticking out is not the best approach. The only protection users of any modern browser have (while still having usable APIs) is whitelisting which sites can request information like enumerating system fonts and serving every other site fake/random information, likely through addons. Say a fingerprinting mechanism wants to enumerate your system fonts, you look up your whitelist, and if it is not on it, browser serves it the most generic list (can be gathered from fingerprinting datasets like EFFs) or finetuning it until your score is as generic as possible. Essentially, blending in with the crowd. Having such whitelists would make browsing a bad visual experience, but hey, why not do what we can to make fingerprinting as difficult as it can be. I don't mind having this as a native feature which prompts the user as they browse, sample prompt: "this site would like to access the following information about your browser, will you allow it or serve it generic, the least fingerprintable set?".

Are there add-ons which do this?

> I don't mind having this as a native feature which prompts the user as they browse, sample prompt: "this site would like to access the following information about your browser, will you allow it or serve it generic, the least fingerprintable set?".

Once this feature becomes common, sites will fingerprint using the delay from the user to click the permission in the dialog.

Really. This whole field is the devil’s work.

Basically we need something like NoScript that also covers 20-questions API identification.

I'm getting this too on main release Safari... because the test only handles Firefox.

> Protections that ship have to keep the web working

I don't agree. I activated most of the protections. If a site breaks, then I don't get to see it. That's OK. No big loss. Users should fight their FOMO.

Same, if a website requires less protection and I really want to see that content, I just make the effort to lower my config, with high suspicion tho.

Agreed. Recently a number of 'news' sites have become hostile enough with the advertising/tracking/etc efforts that I'm now met with a page displaying nothing but "Please enable JS and disable any ad blocker" when visiting them. Especially in modern times, nothing much of value has been lost by simply removing them from my occasional browse list.

so if your bank doesn't work. Do you switch banks? If your apartment portal doesn't work do you move? If your government sites don't work do you move countries?

They'll probably say they just use cash

US citizens are legally allowed in-person and traditional mail services for all the examples you listed. It boils down to coercion protection. You can't force me to contact google's servers if I don't want to, in order to access legally protected services.

Lots of www users are getting fingerprinted no doubt

But it's not difficult to avoid giving away unnecessary details used to create fingerprints, it's just that few people care to do it

I don't use a browser to make HTTP requests, so I have almost full control over fingerprints. There's no Javascript, cookies, CSS or images. No graphics. I use different combinations of headers, usually only Host and Connection because that's all that's needed. I use different UA values if a UA header is required, I use various TLS libraries, I can manipulate the client hello

Of course anyone can collect a fingerprint but not all fingerprints indicate a worthy ad target. I avoid ads 100%. There are probsbly "bots" that send more details than me

"OHTTP" sounds like the dumbest idea I have heard in a while. That's an opinion, everyone has one. "Oblivious" is certainly the right word. It's aimed at oblivious people in hopes they will think the problem is solved and continue to send excessive amounts of detail that can be used to create fingerprints

why can't my browser curl download an .html package, as a word processor would download a .doc file, instead of betraying my privacy by publishing even my underwear size?

Because the most popular browser is developed by a surveillance company.

I don't understand. I'm using a standard ios browser with no changes. When it checked my screen resolution, it claimed it was 0.0016% of the browser population.

This is a standard iphone running safari; how is that possible?