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Re:Ableton Live 13 by royal__ on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:40AM (#50441918)
Ableton Live is a great DAW that is still unmatched in it's live performance capabilities. At the same time, I find it tough to approach price wise. The base version is $300 (the $79 version is basically a demo), and some of the best features are behind the $600 version. Not only this, but you have to pay for new major versions (although it looks like they are offering a free upgrade right now if you buy Live 12). This is tough in comparison to FL Studio, which gives you the full DAW for less than $300 with lifetime updates. Haters will say FL Studio is unprofessional noob software, but the last time that was true was in 2011 or something.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by vectordust on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:46AM (#50442009)
just upgraded (pre-ordered) from live 12 suite to live 13 suite for $183 USD. that's ~$15/mo for 12 months if we spread the cost out.

looking back at my order history, I upgraded from Live 10 Suite (purchased 2018) to Live 11 Suite for $245.60 in 2021 and again from 11 Suite to 12 Suite in 2024 for $245.60.

Everyone has a different financial situation, but for me this is entirely fair pricing for professional grade software that does not have a subscription that I use on an almost daily basis. I am happy to continue supporting Ableton, they respect me as a user and are consistent in their quality and output. (I don't use FL Studio, this is not a dig at that company/platform, just a happy Ableton user).

Re:Ableton Live 13 by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:28PM (#50444214)
It's not an extortionate price, but the upgrades are a bit retro.

Leading with a step sequencer, automation recording, a loop mangler, and a basic drum synth in 2026 isn't pushing the creative limits of DAW design.

IMO Live is a tolerable product rather than an exciting one. Back in the days when I was making loop-based music I got more done more easily with Sonic Foundry's (then Sony's) Acid, which is still my gold standard for ease of use for that idiom.

And I still think Vegas is the best video editor I ever used.

I think with vibecoding the days of the big DAWs are numbered. A few years from now people are going to be rolling their own designs. We're going to see a lot of slopware, which won't matter because it's single-user, and some rare but incredibly inventive and inspiring completely new takes.

Re:Ableton Live 13 by gglitch on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:12PM (#50448142)
SF Acid was brilliant. I had so much fun with that software. You’re exactly right: it was just so easy to use.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by butlike on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:01AM (#50442226)
It's an incremental DAW. You're supposed to buy upgrades as you need features. A noob doesn't need a spectral resonator and convolution reverb. But that same person when they become an intermediate might.

What they should really have is a demo version of the next tier up for when I'm considering upgrading. Say if I have Standard Edition, I click the "Try Suite" button and it temporarily unlocks the Suite features without overriding my base install. I can then easily decide to upgrade (or not), but the main issue is the next tier's features are locked behind an install, so people go into it with the mentality that they have to decide on a product tier when they're a noob and don't know anything about the product.

Re:Ableton Live 13 by icantevenhold on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:31PM (#50444262)
The demo version is to crack the software. It’s super easy to do and I think it’s intentional
Re:Ableton Live 13 by diskzero on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:40PM (#50443522)
I sympathize with your opinion on the prices and I really appreciate how FL Studio has managed their lifetime upgrades. When you look at the monthly amortized cost of the $600 spent on Ableton, it is right in the range of monthly audio and video streaming services and way less than a monthly phone plan that a lot of use are paying for. I wouldn't say they are gouging their users, and if they are like any other small software company, they are probably on the knife edge of profitability any given quarter.

The cost of audio (or any) software has been something people have been complaining about for decades. When I started in the audio software industry, the prices (amazingly!) were just as high or higher as the prices today. Some of this cost was due to physically creating boxes, manuals, storage media and paying to get the product into sales channels. Viewed historically, you might see that you are getting a much better deal today with Ableton for $300 than Opcode Studio Vision 1.0 in 1990 for $995. In 1990, you had to call into Opcode for support and there was no online community for support and information sharing.

It is real conundrum running a company that sells creative tools; the very users you want to bring in as new customers might be the ones that are the most resistant, or unable, to paying the full price. The industry has tried to come up with various ways to assist the people, including the $79 version of Ableton that you are not a fan of.

When you are actually deriving your income from the use of the product, the pricing becomes less of an issue and I clearly remember Warner Brothers buying dozens of copies of our software to support a Danny Elfman project because he was using our software. I also remember struggling composers begging for education pricing or even free copies of the software at our booth at the NAMM trade show.

FL Studio is not unprofessional noob software by any means. Ultimately, a talented singer, songwriter, composer, DJ, etc. will use any means they have on hand to be creative.

Re:Ableton Live 13 by tnolet on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:59PM (#50443771)
As a (formerly) semi-pro musician these price discussions are always so funny. $300 ($600) is so crazy cheap for the beating heart of your studio. Even more considering the price of any semi decent mic, guitar, synth or any piece of musical / studio equipment.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by 999900000999 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:15PM (#50444010)
For the vast majority of users music is only a hobby.

I've been making beats for about 20 years. For me music is essentially a diary that others occasionally read.

I'll never make a nickel off this.

Also if I buy a 2000$ microphone I own it forever and I can even sell it and maybe recoup half.

Vs paying 200$ a year forever.

Plus FL Studio is about 300$ once for the All Plugins edition.

Re:Ableton Live 13 by icantevenhold on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:33PM (#50444279)
pirate the software if you don’t plan to use it professionally?

You can easily get some older version and play around with that for free.

In my case I bought a launchpad many years ago and for a long time used the Ableton Lite version that came with it. Was more than enough for hobby usage.

Re:Ableton Live 13 by 999900000999 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:58PM (#50444625)
If you believe software should be free that's a different conversation.

I have no problem with paying for software I enjoy.

Re:Ableton Live 13 by mystifyingpoi on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:20PM (#50444930)
Why would you assume someone owns a literal studio? There are so many ways people use DAWs, recording in a studio is only one of them.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by icantevenhold on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:30PM (#50444244)
I used an older version (8 or 9) for many many years.

You don’t need to get the new major versions.

It’s also really easy to crack Ableton and use it for free if you just want to test it out - i think it’s part of their sales strategy tbh

Re:Ableton Live 13 by IAmGraydon on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:36PM (#50445949)
First of all, Live Suite 12 is $449 on Thomann when it goes on sale (like now), and if you're buying it anywhere else then you're wasting your money. Also, that's expensive? People are paying that much for some plugins these days. It's an instrument. I just paid $2500 for a guitar, and though I love it, Ableton seems like a steal considering how much more it does than a guitar.
Re:Ableton Live 13 by Morromist on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:35PM (#50447852)
I'm a big FLstudio user. I've used both DAWs and prefer FLstudio for game music. It may be because I'm more used to using it though.