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Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by Guestmodinfo on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:28AM (#50413153)
My problem with books recommended by schools and parents are that they are insipid kind of books. Yes I'm a fan of Jane Austen's works but I needed to read some action fantasy books. Boys love super hero oriented themes which are standing between the innocent ppl and the villain. And also video game mechanics in their stories. We need to introduce the kids to those books. Royal Road, webnovel have lots of such stories. Maybe parents and the school authorities are not looking there. I just read Phil Tucker's "Dawn of the Void vol 1" and it is so nice for any boy to read.

What the English faculty in colleges and schools need is to work with the authors of the "Levelling genre" or "Isekai genre" and modify those books with the reading abilities of those boys according to their grades while keeping the credits with the original authors.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by throwaway27448 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:29AM (#50413165)
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Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by walthamstow on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:34AM (#50413213)
You're the only one using the word "only"
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by cfiggers on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:41AM (#50413279)
Curious how an equals sign got drawn in your thinking between "likes action heroes" and "less capable."
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by watwut on Sunday November 08, 2026 @01:14PM (#50415620)
It was "ONLY like action heroes". And yes, if you by default assume they like ONLY that, you are assuming they are dumber then girls. Because girls get more nuanced and smarter literature mixed with junk.

What you will also achieve is alienation of boys who are indeed smarter and get bored with reading same hero action book again.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by throwaway27448 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @02:25PM (#50416213)
I remain firm in replying to precisely that sentiment. I don't believe many will admit it, but this is how many view boys: stupider and less-capable girls.
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by ginko on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:31AM (#50413184)
The last thing we want people to get hooked on is the isekai genre. It's just insipid low-effort wish-fulfillment.
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by torginus on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:56AM (#50413416)
The same is true for teen books for girls, where like half of the bestsellers are romantasy, with many of them going into the softcore territory.

I am no pearl clutching moralist, but having the mainstream publishing industry push softcore smut onto young girls and even virtue-signaling about how girls read a lot of books, is not something I'm comfortable with.

It's like selling cigarettes to kids, and bragging about how they seem to like them.

Dungeon Crawler Carl is the height of literature, but I wouldn't say it's harmful.

That said, I don't have a daughter of reading age, so actual parents might have better takes on this.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by ryzvonusef on Sunday November 08, 2026 @09:33AM (#50413702)
It's not the genre, it's the writing. Just because sausages are usually sold at a hotdog stand doesn't mean it's only a street-food level ingredient; there is always a place for some Michelin star gourmet bangers and mash or whatever.

There is an obvious retort about Narnia being an isekai, but I feel a more appropriate comparison would be Ascendence of a Bookworm, which is an actually well written Japanese isekai literature (written by a female author and featuring a female protagonist, ironic given the main topic) that explores the clash of Earth based norms and customs in a society where gods actually exist, and nobles are literally superior beings, since only their god gifted mana can turn a blank land into fertile soil. In such a world, what value does a mana-less peasant have?

But it does so in a narrative that's engaging rather than scolding; the MC realises that norms arise out of local conditions, and instead of going on some weird emancipation spree, mostly acknowledges local the situations, but still tries her darndest to change things given her constraints (with literal gods intervening, there is little she can do).

The story is titled Ascendence of a 'Bookworm' because her main tool of rebellion is democratising books and knowledge; by inventing the paper and printing press, she will (slowly) help peasants improve their lives over the next coming generations; they will never become equal to nobles who are literally god-gifted, but it's still an important ripple that will change the trajectory of the world.

It's an Japanese isekai, but it resists the urge to dabble in the other other tropes. Yes, Sturgeon's law still applies, 90% of isekai will still be trash and slop, but if you promote good isekai books, then there is still chance for future good literature, even in such a maligned genre.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by GeoAtreides on Sunday November 08, 2026 @09:47AM (#50413800)
it's isekai or tiktok, no in-betweens, take it or leave it
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by ryzvonusef on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:03AM (#50413905)
I replaced doom-scrolling and brain rot with reading Royal Road, and I feel much better.

Even if most of what's on RR is is slop, reading is always the better vice.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by GeoAtreides on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:14AM (#50413988)
hey you! yes you! listen, come here.

Interested in some good ol' reading slop? maybe with a side-dish of a nice community? you like comments, right? you like discussions about a fast hard hitting chapter?

boy do i have a forum for you: https://forums.spacebattles.com/forums/creative-writing.18/

more and better fiction than two RRs combined!*

*terms and conditions apply, knowledge of Worm and Worm-related media required

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by ryzvonusef on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:51AM (#50414287)
I've heard of spacebattles forum, haven't delved into it because of the forum structure makes reading awkward, i prefer RR's presentation, not the best but atleast it's a damn website and not a forum lol.

as for worm... i read it a bit but dropped it because i arrived too late (iirc author had already moved to the third series when i heard of it) and the backlog was too daunting. That said, apparently there ia graphic novel coming up so might look into it.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by GeoAtreides on Sunday November 08, 2026 @11:31AM (#50414676)
spacebattles has a reading mode: https://forums.spacebattles.com/library/stories/

It's never too late for Worm. There is no backlog, it's a self-contained story. I'd recommend reading it before the comics (not graphic novel).

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by ryzvonusef on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:24AM (#50425268)
Every website has it's one winning story, RR has 'Mother of Learning', I guess spacebattles forums has Worm.

Any other recommendations?

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by HDThoreaun on Sunday November 08, 2026 @02:58PM (#50416557)
Id rather people read anything over reading nothing
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by eudamoniac on Sunday November 08, 2026 @07:42PM (#50419475)
I wouldn't. There does exist trash that makes you worse off having read it. Reading words is not an inherent virtue.
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by bombcar on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:32AM (#50413197)
"Harder to get boys into books" means "scholastic sales are down" - it's hard for me to believe that with 50,000 + novels that we can't find any that are appealing - but they're not scholastic "new" and they don't move the money the way they need.

A boy (or girl! They're allowed to read, too now, like Belle) buying a copy of The Hobbit doesn't help much, they need consumption of the new mass-produced stuff to keep the machine running.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by brnt on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:40AM (#50413271)
> Boys love super hero oriented themes

Where does this nonsense come from? I didn't nor did anyone I know. I snorted any kind of adventure books but superpowers? Nuh uh, boring and cheapest of plot devices, and yes, I thought so at 7.

My parents brought me to the library every two weeks and let me read whatever I wanted, I think that's most important. Also, show you read yourself, and if you don't, wonder why.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by bombcar on Sunday November 08, 2026 @09:05AM (#50413481)
Drop the “super” and you have something more correct / hero-based books are popular with boys and men.
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by brnt on Sunday November 08, 2026 @12:03PM (#50415004)
Are you calling any protagonist a hero now?
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by thin_carapace on Sunday November 08, 2026 @03:14PM (#50416684)
well you sure turned out antagonistically for someone who read so many adventure books with protagonists presumably embodying the hero archetype
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by brnt on Sunday November 08, 2026 @05:09PM (#50417913)
You presume too much. Or use 'hero' in the inflationary literally-everyone-sense. Or both.

Adventures don't need heroes at all.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by impossiblefork on Sunday November 08, 2026 @09:01AM (#50413460)
You can't seriously be arguing for Isekai's and levelling.

You could fix it. Drop the levelling, keep the portal story-- portal stories can be fun, C.S. Lewis and Astrid Lindgren have done portal or portal-adjacent stories and they can be fun.

I don't think a fixed portal story is necessarily attractive to idiot-readers though. I think popularity of Isekai or levelling stories might have more to do with impatience and inability to tolerate uncertainty.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by casefields on Sunday November 08, 2026 @01:55PM (#50415928)
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by impossiblefork on Sunday November 08, 2026 @05:24PM (#50418065)
I'm not saying that time travel stories like A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, Island in the Sea of Time or 1632-style stories are bad.

I read 1632, it's a bit sci-fi pulp-y but entertaining, especially when you're a Swede and some of the characters are familiar from real-life history. I've written stories in this direction myself too, and portal stories.

But my portal stories are usually in opposition to Isekai tropes, and I think most of this stuff is too. 1632 isn't an Isekai, ISoT isn't an Isekai, Narnia isn't an Isekai-- maybe it shares some destiny tropes with Isekai-type stories, but there's an attempt to give it weight, etc.

The bad aspects of the Isekai aren't that there's a portal, it's excessive indulgence.

Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by ThrowawayR2 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @06:46PM (#50418995)
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Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by GoblinSlayer on Sunday November 08, 2026 @05:33PM (#50418151)
Re:Zero is isekai without levelling. Actually it's a bit of a horror, because MC is at permanent level 1 trying to deal with overpowered enemies, the whole story is solid concentrated uncertainty.
Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by ThrowawayR2 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @09:17AM (#50413578)
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Re:A lack of male protagonists is making it harder to get yo... by disgruntledphd2 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @09:50AM (#50413828)
Dungeon Crawler Carl is marvelous, though. Threshold is also really good. Most of its terrible, but it's within error bounds for a lot of book quality.