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Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by sneak on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:14AM (#50364526)
The AI formula is out of the bag. The Manhattan Project is over, trinity has happened.

If it weren’t OAI and Anthropic, it would be others.

If it weren’t US companies, it would be others.

It is far too useful now to stop large scale deployment, it isn’t a matter of specific people or countries not being cautious or prudent enough. The entirety of the Earth is at issue now and there will always be people who cause the tragedy of the commons (if indeed AI turns out to be harmful in the long run, which is not remotely certain).

Look at what happened with fossil fuels.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:19AM (#50364572)
> If it weren’t US companies, it would be others.

There is something deeply rotten about the US mindset though, them being American is definitely a problem.

> Look at what happened with fossil fuels.

The west had a 100 years head start, on top of that these countries are producing everything you consume, don't start pointing fingers. Chinese current co2 per capita is the same as the US in 1900

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by carlosjobim on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:56AM (#50364902)
I remember reading about the development of neural networks in a magazine from the 1980s.

Releasing artificial intelligence for the use of all of humanity is better than it being controlled by one or more shadow groups. That's what the Americans did, and the Chinese followed in.

Had AI been invented in the 20th century, it would have been kept secret and used only by state actors to facilitate genocides at mass scales. But we live in different times.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:01AM (#50364958)
> Releasing artificial intelligence for the use of all of humanity is better than it being controlled by one or more shadow groups. That's what the Americans did

Uh? In what universe are openai and anthropic not shadow groups?

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by carlosjobim on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:09AM (#50365049)
Are you misunderstanding on purpose? OpenAI and Anthropic let the public use their AI models.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:04AM (#50365675)
> OpenAI and Anthropic let the public use their AI models.

Oh, how nice of them, such charitable souls...

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by carlosjobim on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:26AM (#50365969)
Cool snark. I said it's better that all humanity have access to use AI rather than just a few people. That's pretty nice, compared to the alternative.

But if you're an angry hacker in full on culture war witch hunter mode, then of course nobody can say something that's even slightly different than full-on hate without you interpreting that as aligning with the evil witch.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by hardbass on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:51PM (#50370621)
Do you take a salary or ask money for your products?
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by hattmall on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:48AM (#50365474)
How can "AI" facilitate genocide? Like what might chatgpt have suggested that would have made the nazis more effective or the khmer rouge.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by carlosjobim on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:08AM (#50365730)
Any new technology throughout history has first been used for war and genocide.

How could modern AI have helped those groups you mention in their endeavour? Really fucking easy and effectively, and you don't need a lot of imagination to think of how. From surveillance and interrogation to pinpoint determination of ethnicity and much more. Not to mention translation between human languages.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by sneak on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:16AM (#50365854)
Widespread mass realtime facial recognition usage is allowing governments to target and repress subsets of the population with an unprecedented scale and efficiency. ICE are flying facial recognition drones over sidewalks in downtown LA. Dissdents are having their facial geometries entered into secret databases simply based on political opinions.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:19AM (#50366825)
> the nazis more effective or the khmer rouge.

They literally targeted people for their past opinions, how they looked, etc. which you can now determine and process at break neck speed, you can even remove humans from the loop and have the machine determine who's an undesirable or not.

How is this a serious question lol?

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by ks2048 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:22AM (#50366890)
You really can't think of anything? How about giving a fleet of AI drones a large supply of bullets and telling them to go kill everybody in some region or of some group.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by andsoitis on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:07AM (#50365721)
> There is something deeply rotten about the US mindset

What is that “something”?

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:13AM (#50366718)
Profit above all else, deregulation at all cost, "we're the police of the world", christian brained politicians, etc.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by andsoitis on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:38AM (#50367131)
> profit above all else

The world’s biggest philanthropists are American.

The US has for decades invested into charities and human development around the worlds .

> deregulation at all cost

The US has regulations. The Constitution of the United States is the oldest and longest-standing written and codified national constitution in force in the world.

> Christian brained politicians

We have separation of church and state.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by JSR_FDED on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:51AM (#50367329)
It’s precisely because the corporate mindset of “profit before all else” that certain individuals become fabulously wealthy, enabling their philanthropy.

The Sackler family of opioid infamy were huge philanthropists. Not saying that the AI companies are like Purdue Pharma, but clearly philanthropy does not compensate for societal damage.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by andsoitis on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:53AM (#50367376)
Americans and the US as a whole are the most charitable in the world.

The data does not lie.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by goatlover on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:10PM (#50368542)
So why was US AID ended by DOGE?
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by jfyi on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:31PM (#50368801)
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Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:38PM (#50368908)
> Americans and the US as a whole are the most charitable in the world.

Yeah because it includes lobbies and turbo billionaire pastors from texas using "charity" money to buy rolls royces as well as other highly retarded """charities""" that aren't even legal in the rest of the developed world

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:35PM (#50368852)
> We have separation of church and state.

You have senators and wannabe senators quoting the bible on TV as their guiding star as we speak right now, give me a break

On top of that you can separate the church and the state all you want, when people like Thiel show up it doesn't matter, these people are deeply troubled, if they were muslim and saying 1/10th of what he says you'd send them to guantanamo

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by hardbass on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:28PM (#50370375)
Better than in the hands of a rabbi or ayatollah or christian extremist or various others. I feel simply profit minded people are one of the less dangerous hands in which powerful tools can exist.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by customguy on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:14AM (#50365104)
> If it weren’t OAI and Anthropic, it would be others.

Doing what? Rushing to make trillion dollar companies, rather then developing the tech and their companies in a sustainable way? I don't even know what in the original comment this would be a response to.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by hogs_get_fat on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:54AM (#50365550)
Rushing towards creating machines that can give you vast amounts of military, political or economic power without regard to it's effects on the old order.

The particular form of the pursuit of power practiced by OAI and Antrophic - the creation of trillion dollar companies, is one of the most benign in human history. It's so unnaturally benign, that I doubt it's going to survive for much longer.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by customguy on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:51PM (#50369100)
Well, are you thinking nation states? Then you kinda also need a population that is cool with a sort of blitzkrieg being waged "on their behalf" against the rest of the world (and they should think twice if that machinery wouldn't also logically end up being turned onto them). Otherwise, what's the race for, unless to use it offensively? So you either subjugate or eradicate the world, and then what? Who wants that?

Political power is when people act in concert, when leaders have people behind them because those people agree with how they're being lead etc., it's not something that happens unilaterally. You can physically force people, but for what when you can have robots that you don't have to force?

So that kind of leaves wiping out nearly all humans, for a few hundred thousand remaining people to get served by robots and play golf. Which I would say is what we're kinda on track for. But that wouldn't be a race between nations, that race would just be pretend to get the tech online; it would rather be a race between all humans and a bunch of sick people.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by hogs_get_fat on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:31PM (#50370413)
I'm thinking of nation states, but I fear you have a very limited view of how power is created and yielded.

AI doesn't have to be used offensively to give a nation power. The machines can already design new software at the drop of the hat, it will at some point become capable of designing new consumer products and industrial products. Putting a tireless intelligence at the task of looking for new optimizations in your industrial processes and factories will eventually give you economic dominance, one way or another.

Offensive uses don't need to be as extreme as you imagine them. We're already starting to see the effects of having meticulous automated hackers.

Finally, political power itself doesn't need to come from people acting in concert. There's always been wheeling and dealing and intrigue and bureaucracy. Once AI is sufficiently versed in legal matters, it'd allow political interest groups to overwhelm governments and private enterprises with objections and appeals, paralyzing their ability to carry out their agenda until they make concessions.

The possibilities of using intelligence for acquiring more power are literally endless..

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by HarHarVeryFunny on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:44AM (#50365419)
Yes, the cat is out of the bag as to how to create this type of AI.

That doesn't mean that everyone has to use to use it.

We're only starting to see the beginning of the negative impact of AI to the job market and society. If if turns out that allowing most jobs to be replaced by AI is bad for society and the economy (super high unemployment - nobody buying more then necessities), then wouldn't it be smarter to not do that?

If that's the case, then each country can decide for themselves.

Dario's "Machines of loving grace" UBI/foodstamp "utopia" sure doesn't sound like a recipe for success.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by aatd86 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:53AM (#50365545)
Which job are worth doing and which ones you'd rather the AI do? AI should enable things that were previously impossible because of time constraints. If time is money and we were previously trading with money, we will get back to trading time. Manufacturing time for instance. Compute times. For commodities, that might be automated to some extent, I am not sure. The friction in exchanges is where the money is made and the friction here may be at the interface with the real world still.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by hardbass on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:54PM (#50370643)
At some stage we might need to decouple income from traditional jobs. Bringing gladiatorial combat would be helpful. People can't stand a life of comfort. It will both probably become attractive to watch and a source of living for all, and it will solve the devils that emerge in idle heads. I am not joking, just look at the state of the Western world just from some basic material comforts having been fulfilled for a few decades.