News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:19AM (#50364572)
> If it weren’t US companies, it would be others.

There is something deeply rotten about the US mindset though, them being American is definitely a problem.

> Look at what happened with fossil fuels.

The west had a 100 years head start, on top of that these countries are producing everything you consume, don't start pointing fingers. Chinese current co2 per capita is the same as the US in 1900

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by carlosjobim on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:56AM (#50364902)
I remember reading about the development of neural networks in a magazine from the 1980s.

Releasing artificial intelligence for the use of all of humanity is better than it being controlled by one or more shadow groups. That's what the Americans did, and the Chinese followed in.

Had AI been invented in the 20th century, it would have been kept secret and used only by state actors to facilitate genocides at mass scales. But we live in different times.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:01AM (#50364958)
> Releasing artificial intelligence for the use of all of humanity is better than it being controlled by one or more shadow groups. That's what the Americans did

Uh? In what universe are openai and anthropic not shadow groups?

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by carlosjobim on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:09AM (#50365049)
Are you misunderstanding on purpose? OpenAI and Anthropic let the public use their AI models.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:04AM (#50365675)
> OpenAI and Anthropic let the public use their AI models.

Oh, how nice of them, such charitable souls...

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by carlosjobim on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:26AM (#50365969)
Cool snark. I said it's better that all humanity have access to use AI rather than just a few people. That's pretty nice, compared to the alternative.

But if you're an angry hacker in full on culture war witch hunter mode, then of course nobody can say something that's even slightly different than full-on hate without you interpreting that as aligning with the evil witch.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by hardbass on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:51PM (#50370621)
Do you take a salary or ask money for your products?
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by hattmall on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:48AM (#50365474)
How can "AI" facilitate genocide? Like what might chatgpt have suggested that would have made the nazis more effective or the khmer rouge.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by carlosjobim on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:08AM (#50365730)
Any new technology throughout history has first been used for war and genocide.

How could modern AI have helped those groups you mention in their endeavour? Really fucking easy and effectively, and you don't need a lot of imagination to think of how. From surveillance and interrogation to pinpoint determination of ethnicity and much more. Not to mention translation between human languages.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by sneak on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:16AM (#50365854)
Widespread mass realtime facial recognition usage is allowing governments to target and repress subsets of the population with an unprecedented scale and efficiency. ICE are flying facial recognition drones over sidewalks in downtown LA. Dissdents are having their facial geometries entered into secret databases simply based on political opinions.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:19AM (#50366825)
> the nazis more effective or the khmer rouge.

They literally targeted people for their past opinions, how they looked, etc. which you can now determine and process at break neck speed, you can even remove humans from the loop and have the machine determine who's an undesirable or not.

How is this a serious question lol?

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by ks2048 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:22AM (#50366890)
You really can't think of anything? How about giving a fleet of AI drones a large supply of bullets and telling them to go kill everybody in some region or of some group.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by andsoitis on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:07AM (#50365721)
> There is something deeply rotten about the US mindset

What is that “something”?

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:13AM (#50366718)
Profit above all else, deregulation at all cost, "we're the police of the world", christian brained politicians, etc.
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by andsoitis on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:38AM (#50367131)
> profit above all else

The world’s biggest philanthropists are American.

The US has for decades invested into charities and human development around the worlds .

> deregulation at all cost

The US has regulations. The Constitution of the United States is the oldest and longest-standing written and codified national constitution in force in the world.

> Christian brained politicians

We have separation of church and state.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by JSR_FDED on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:51AM (#50367329)
It’s precisely because the corporate mindset of “profit before all else” that certain individuals become fabulously wealthy, enabling their philanthropy.

The Sackler family of opioid infamy were huge philanthropists. Not saying that the AI companies are like Purdue Pharma, but clearly philanthropy does not compensate for societal damage.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by andsoitis on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:53AM (#50367376)
Americans and the US as a whole are the most charitable in the world.

The data does not lie.

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by goatlover on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:10PM (#50368542)
So why was US AID ended by DOGE?
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by jfyi on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:31PM (#50368801)
[delayed]
Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:38PM (#50368908)
> Americans and the US as a whole are the most charitable in the world.

Yeah because it includes lobbies and turbo billionaire pastors from texas using "charity" money to buy rolls royces as well as other highly retarded """charities""" that aren't even legal in the rest of the developed world

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by 233mhz on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:35PM (#50368852)
> We have separation of church and state.

You have senators and wannabe senators quoting the bible on TV as their guiding star as we speak right now, give me a break

On top of that you can separate the church and the state all you want, when people like Thiel show up it doesn't matter, these people are deeply troubled, if they were muslim and saying 1/10th of what he says you'd send them to guantanamo

Re:Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off wit... by hardbass on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:28PM (#50370375)
Better than in the hands of a rabbi or ayatollah or christian extremist or various others. I feel simply profit minded people are one of the less dangerous hands in which powerful tools can exist.