It's very heartening to read testimonials from users who aren't jaded. I hate negativity around OSS online

What's the negativity? Anything wrong with OBS in particular? I haven't used it in a while, but recently saw DHH saying it's awful. I reckon that's the usual Twitter hyperbole/rhetoric that attracts attention, so just wondering.

That's not what he said. OBS decided to not support streaming to Rumble for political reasons. So Omarchy is gonna ship a leaner alternative soon-ish, that's all.

Are they simply accepting the fact that they are the distro for fascists now?

they’ve been leaning into that since 2020, are the hosting platform for truth social etc

Yes, I know that Rumble is clearly a fascist enterprise. I was talking about Omarchy. It feels like a red flag when a distro rejects software simply because it doesn't allow them to publish to fascist outlets.

Is there any other reason to use this distro other than signal political alignment? I looked into it a few months ago without even being aware of the political controversy surrounding it (I was curious about the whole "Agentic Linux" angle) and all I found was a poorly configured Arch Linux install with some rather crappy bash scripts on top.

Well, ok, I think there's another use case which is to LARP as a Un*x "pro user" without actually having any idea how to properly use a shell.

do you have any non-political / demographical arguments against omarchy?

what is it good at, what is it bad at?

I'm not the person to whom you asked this question, but it seems redundant considering that their post literally contained this critique:

> a poorly configured Arch Linux install with some rather crappy bash scripts on top.

Sure, but arch notoriously is very small, I'm not sure how you can really configure it that poorly at the install level.

What makes the bash scripts crappy, etc?

I asked what it's good at, too, didn't literally contain that critique.

I've been running Omarchy for about a year and I've never seen any indication of it attempting to steer me into some political direction. It never asked me to vote somewhere, attack or dislike anyone based on superficial criteria. It's just... a desktop distro that fits on how I like to work.

I probably disagree with many Omarchy developers and donators and I'd be quite surprised if that didn't also apply to most of its users.

I really don't see how this rhetoric is helping anyone. It just creates more division.

I've been working a lot on customization and upstreamed some patches and I have no idea what would count as poorly configured.

That you think it's all about UNIX guru LARP I have to question how many Omarchy users you actually engaged with because I've mostly met humble and friendly folks. YMMV.

To be clear I'm accusing the distro to steer people in a certain direction, I'm arguing that it's something that people who already have a certain set of political beliefs will be drawn to.

>That you think it's all about UNIX guru LARP I have to question how many Omarchy users you actually engaged with because I've mostly met humble and friendly folks. YMMV.

I mostly base myself on the tweet wall posted on Omarchy's website, because it features (or featured, back when I looked at it) a bunch of former Mac users patting themselves on the back for being such 1337 h4x0rs for... mainly using a tiling WM, as far as I can tell.

As someone who has been using Linux and tiling WMs for over two decades it's a bit baffling to look at frankly. I guess I'm a bit salty that I missed out on millions of dollars by sharing my config files.

>I've been working a lot on customization and upstreamed some patches and I have no idea what would count as poorly configured.

I obviously haven't surveyed the entire ecosystem but the base scripts shipped with the distro (which I presume are mostly DHH's work) look more like a personal dotfile compendium than something a serious distro would ship. I'm talking about stuff like this: https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/blob/1e859d37cb7fef6ac6874...

That "format-drive" function is particularly entertaining, I think.

Regarding third party code, the small handful of github projects I looked at were the most spaghetti of vibecode, e.g. https://github.com/ETroll/omarchy-airplay/blob/master/bin/om...

This may not be representative of the ecosystem at large, admittedly, but given the huge focus on vibecode/agentic stuff in the marketing, I think this is not an unexpected outcome.

Beyond that, using your own, worse package manager instead of leveraging Arch's existing capabilities (but also still using Arch's packages for some things) is just terrible design.

> It feels like a red flag when a distro rejects software simply because it makes political decisions on behalf of the users

Fixed that for you.

Is this sarcasm or are you really completely unaware of how ridiculous this statement is when it applies just as much to OBS' decision to restrict where their users can stream to?

I was specifically talking about OBS' decision to restrict where their users can stream to, so I'm not sure what you think it is I'm completely unaware of.

I just made his quote read more accurately.

Then I misread your comment. I'm not a native speaker, perhaps that caused it. Sorry for being rude.

So, you agree that it's a red flag regardless of the reason? Good to know!

yes, that exactly

This is the paradox of tolerance. How dare OSB not tolerate my intolerance.

yes, using rumble is intolerance

Can you elaborate?

Yes, the guy I responded to is using "intolerance" to describe the users using/wanting rumble.

I responded with heavy sarcasm, because i don't think people who redefine words & describe things in outlandish terms are arguing in good faith, so I prefer to tell them I agree, and restate their outlandish claim.

You're now here to police me based on our other interaction, and your misunderstanding of my positions.

You seem prone to inferring intent based on very little information. I had no intention of policing you. All the best though.

I hate that this whole cluster of beliefs exists, but software on my own computer enforcing what I can and can't do for ideological reason is a bit much.

Unless they just didn't implemented it for whatever reason, but someone else can implement this as an extensions or something. Your software obviously doesn't need to support everything.

It’s the latter.

The snowflakes rounding up people for holding up signs also think volunteers not actively promoting their views are engaged in civilization ending suppression of speech.

That's the most frustrating aspect. They act as if we've trampled on their rights, but all we're doing is conserving our own energy and not carrying water for their ideology.

Since when is anyone freely entitled to my time and attention?

> Since when is anyone freely entitled to my time and attention?

Funnily enough the same people say the same when it comes to pronouns and such. The right (if we can call them that) immediately copied, perfected and weaponized all the attention seeking and whining they've seen and complained about.

It's only hypocrisy when the accused actually does the thing they're asking others not to do.

As far as I can tell, there is no harassment of the OBS team and no demand that they support Rumble as a drop-in. After all, there are many other services they don't support. They are only criticizing the OBS team for making public statements to the effect that they are explicitly not adding Rumble to the list for political reasons.

But even beyond that, it is entirely fallacious to equate Rumble users with the "right wing", and especially not with some nebulous "they" who are interested in the issue. And the idea that making it easier to use a platform is inherently "carrying water for their ideology" is utterly absurd. (Not to mention that the overwhelming majority of them simply do not hold harmful beliefs on anything like the level ascribed to them; their actual beliefs are constantly and grossly misrepresented, leading to a high-profile assassination a bit over a year ago.)

I'm not strongly opposed to your point of view.

How about Truth Social?

I would be more inclined to consider that question, had my comment not been flagged for no reason.

What's "and such"?

I'm not that deep in the culture wars. I just know pronouns is not all that the so called right was whining about.

No aspect of that sentence reflects reality.

The maga idiots tried to get a TV stations license canceled for legal free speech. They hate free speech with a burning passion. I see them talk all the day of how "it is legal" that people of other faiths build religious structures on their own private property. They hate private property and the right to private property. They hate when foreign companies justly and fairly make better and cheaper products, they hate capitalism.

With more detail this time:

> The snowflakes

This is a subjective judgment, but I would say they are nothing of the sort.

> rounding up people for holding up signs

You first of all are not talking about the same people, and commit outgroup homogeneity bias. If we're going to play that game, then we could just as well talk about that one outgroup member who was shot and killed for talking calmly to college students (who had all freely volunteered to do so) and having a dissenting point of view. That death was celebrated by many people, surely at least some of whom are now upset about far milder and more justified actions.

But even then, the people "rounded up for holding up signs" were, in fact, not rounded up for holding up signs but for taking actions that directly impeded the job of those they were protesting. This is amply demonstrated by looking at the facts of each such case of "round-up"; along with noting the copious amount of people holding up signs in the background of every such video, against home no action was taken.

> also think volunteers not actively promoting their views

First off, supporting a streaming platform has nothing whatsoever to do with promoting any particular political view. This is again outgroup homogeneity bias.

Second, nothing of the sort is demanded. The volunteers in question are only being called out for explicitly citing political reasons for their rejection. (I looked up DHH's tweet, and saw that he was citing Lunduke to make the argument; and Lunduke is very explicit about this cause of grievance.)

> are engaged in civilization ending suppression of speech.

This is histrionic and does not bear any relationship to what the critics actually claim.

As far as I can tell, it's the latter option. Rumble has a whole section of their website explaining how to use OBS with it [0]. The complaints seem to be entirely based around Rumble not being available in a drop-down menu [1]. It's kind of pathetic honestly.

[0] https://studio.rumble.com/help/guides/obs

[1] https://x.com/dhh/status/2108603279345070205

(Sorry for the X link, but that is the only place that I can actually find people complaining about this).

I may be completely stupid but these instructions by Rumble either completely unhelpful or something on my end isn't loading content in that site. But if that's the actual instructions to get OBS to stream to Rumble, I get why just upstreaming it would've been user-friendly.

But apparently I'm a fascist for this type of wrongthink.

What's confusing about using RTMP or a virtual camera? It's extremely straightforward. I genuinely do not understand how you could possibly need more instructions than this. Do you want screenshots or something?

Regardless, this just means that Rumble needs better documentation. It's clearly possible and fairly easy.

I think my issue is that I don't know Rumble Studio and expected OBS to be able to stream to it without, thus expecting some rtmp links + auth flow in the docs.

Should be as simple as copy pasting server url + credentials or streaming key. My interpretation is that documentation authors either considered it so simple that it's not worth clarifying or since they are pushing for their own software (rumble studio) they intentionally didn't explain it further to encourage people using their software directly without extra step of OBS.

Once you open corresponding panel in Rumble it shows you all the information you need to copy paste in single place with convenient copy to clipboard buttons.

Platforms with "builtin support" require same amount of configuration minus the server url. But since the server url is provided in the same place as stream key, copy pasting 2 instead of 1 value hardly makes a difference. It probably takes less time to copy server url than trying to find it in dropdown containing 70+ other services.

OBS should just do the maliciously compliant here and add the support but throw a little jab in the drop down menu by labeling it "Rumble - Fascists and lunatics only" or something like that.

Someone needs to ship an alternative of omarchy the same way.

Omarchy is just Arch + config + slop + fascism, you can just build your own desktop, and you can skip the last two.

Must be quite comfy to live in such a simplistic reality. Imagine not having to think through all the complexity of life all the time by just crying fascism whenever people disagree with you.

Was envious for a second there. Then I was reminded that I quite enjoy thinking.

This is disingenuous. You chose to word it in a ridiculous way: "crying fascism whenever people disagree with you". If you enjoy thinking, please think a bit more and be more charitable. Maybe it's not "crying" at all? Maybe it's not because of a simple disagreement?

I'm sure that obs can export to something that can be used to stream to rumble.

I saw somebody else besides DHH talking about their decision not to accept PRs with AI written code briefly. I believe there’s a Rust fork in progress.

It's been years since I needed to use it, but: lack of an undo button. Not being able to undo stuff was very annoying, and felt out of place for an otherwise nice piece of software.

OBS added Undo/Redo in 2021, and it tracks the last 5,000 actions in the session.

https://obsproject.com/blog/obs-studio-27-released

Oh that's good to hear!

If DHH disapproves of something, you know it must be good.

To misquote the classic about programming languages.

"There are the live video compositors everyone complains about and there are the ones nobody uses."

But really, it is great to see a piece of open source software as the default choice in a field where they tend to suffer, desktop applications.

A lot of negativity about OSS is deserved, and doesn't necessarily come from supporters of proprietary software, but for long-time OSS users and programmers, who want it to be better.

But many OSS programs are awesome, and OBS is one of them.

I believe a lot of negativity comes from people who believed the OSS preachers "come come, you don't need that proprietary crap, we have everything free and better"

And then most people are in for a surprise, that usually the above is only true in theory. But in reality there are driver issues, missing firmware, outdated repositories, broken updates ... critical missing features and in general a need to understand technical details with no polished UI.

And speaking of, with OBS I really liked the UI to just get started, but performance/quality of produced video was way worse for me, then simple screencapture with ffmpeg.

It was very heartening to have this experience! I tried to refrain from harboring overly positive or negative expectations while setting this up and am quite content with how it turned out (especially since every part of this stack can run on Linux; this morning, I swapped out the gaming desktop part of this setup out for my Linux dev laptop + eGPU just for fun, and it all works identically).

Funny how you went the huge app route for such a narrow scope where I would have just used a lightweight tool like ffplay given the setting would never really change.

wait, OBS is a huge app but ffmpeg is not?

Depends what are our criterias:

- size on disk

- cpu usage

- size in memory

- impact on user lives

- impact on developer lives

- impact on our industry as a whole

- <insert other criteria>

The thing is, ffmpeg is a dependency of obs, so if you install obs you have ffmpeg installed while the opposite is not necessarily true.

Quite so! I'm sure I could have fiddled with ffmpeg commands, set up a custom Steam launcher, etc. I probably would have if OBS Studio's preview performance introduced too much overhead.

I also discovered that OBS Studio can be installed directly from the Steam store, which makes makes the whole thing feel just a little more seamless (I'm streaming to the Steam Frame). I don't mind trading the extra install space for that feeling, especially since OBS is OSS. It was really pleasant to have this all "just work" end-to-end on both Linux and Windows stacks.

Yes in contradiction to what the downvoters might think, I am not judgemental. By all means use what works for you. I was just pointing out how one thing can be done different ways and I might not even have thought about using OBS for that purpose while being a user myself of the program.

How was latency for all of this?

Surprisingly low. Steam reports about 12-15ms latency over the 6GHz dongle, and the Internet seems to think that the capture card preview adds about 49 ms; I haven't tested the latter claim myself, but ~65ms feels like a reasonable number. I don't usually seem to notice <100ms latency when I play games (which could be a skill issue on my part), and indeed I don't notice delay between the VR headset image and the direct HDMI passthrough that goes to my desktop monitor (the non-dummy display)

I had initially only planned to use this setup for turn-based games, but after this pleasant surprise, it looks like I get to explore some other kinds of games :D

and all this without vibecoding!