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Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by mikeryan on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:49AM (#49552002)
I really don’t understand how these markets survive a competent DOJ considering the rate they’re having to ban people for “insider trading”. Fully appreciate the Unions position here.
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by gavinsyancey on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:09PM (#49552365)
Most competent people at the DOJ have either been fired or left. And the current administration seems to love insider trading, so long as they can be the insiders doing the trading.
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by toomuchtodo on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:25PM (#49552652)
It lasts for now, it won’t survive when the political pendulum swings back. “Make hay grifting while the grifters shine.” is the current MO. “Temporary economic strip mining operation.”
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by infinite_spin on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:35PM (#49552820)
"Gather ye rosebuds while ye may" comes to mind
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by donkey_brains on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:37PM (#49554592)
Grift while the grifting’s good.
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by abirch on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:29PM (#49552728)
I'll leave this here, Donald Trump Jr got a free stake in Kalshi. https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/options/articles/donald-tr...
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by jameshart on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:27PM (#49553567)
Same old story, on a whole new scale. Donny Junior has a piece the numbers game on the east side, so the family makes sure the cops don’t come round asking too many questions…
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by superxpro12 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:37PM (#49552850)
also known as a bribe
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by throwaway287391 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:08PM (#49555090)
> Donald Trump Jr. Got A Kalshi Stake For Free— Now It Could Be Worth Billions As Prediction Market Platform Eyes $40 Billion Valuation

> Kalshi handed him equity worth roughly $300,000 when he joined as a strategic adviser in early 2025. ... Kalshi granted him the stake when the company was valued at under $2 billion — less than a tenth of its $22 billion valuation in a funding round last month ...

Um, how does a $300K stake at an "under $2 billion" valuation become "worth billions" with a 10-50x valuation increase?

(Disclaimer: I'm not defending the Trump family in any way, the administration has been absurdly and blatantly corrupt.)

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by Gud on Friday September 04, 2026 @01:33AM (#49560888)
The same way young Barron has $150m to his name? Through sheer corruption?
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by what on Thursday September 03, 2026 @09:06PM (#49559229)
> free

He got it for being an advisor. I assume you have similar questions about hunter biden and the gas company?

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by Gud on Friday September 04, 2026 @01:32AM (#49560882)
Bidens nepotism was small scale.

Donald Trump is burning down the country for his and his family’s wealth.

You don’t have to support either

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by thrance on Friday September 04, 2026 @08:51AM (#49563866)
Still beating the same dead horse, huh? The Trump family's corruption is on a whole new level, pretending otherwise is extremely disingenuous and bad faith. But what else would you expect from MAGA?
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by santadays on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:00PM (#49552212)
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by wbl on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:57AM (#49552150)
Insider trading is legal in commodities markets. If I am engaged in a hedging transaction I am doing so because I know about risks that I want to offload, and the buyer does also. You don't come to commodities markets without information.
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by cucumber3732842 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:13PM (#49552431)
Exactly. Pit mine sees who's buying what and is worried copper will go down. Datacenter people see who's inking deals and are worried it's gonna go up. They both need to get big fancy loans from their bankers to execute their upcoming projects. The bankers won't like to see unbounded risk on their balance sheets. A futures contract exists to solve this problem.

Not that this excuses some of the absurd stuff that goes on on the online betting platforms...

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by CPLX on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:24PM (#49552632)
Just for context that’s not quite accurate. There certainly is a distinction in the rule versus securities markets, which I know is what you mean.

But it’s more accurate to say participants can trade on lawfully obtained material nonpublic information absent some independent duty not to use it, which is much narrower than saying insider trading is generally legal.

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by gavinsyancey on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:29PM (#49552726)
Hedging is not insider trading. Insider trading is trading based on material non-public information in breach of a duty or obtained through fraud. In that sense, it's more of a principal-agent problem.

Also -- hedging is generally not done based on material non-public information, but rather to guard against known risks. Joe the farmer sells a bunch of wheat futures when he plants his wheat, not because he thinks the price will go down, but rather because if it does he goes bankrupt and he'd prefer to accept a known rate-of-return now.

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by jcalx on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:19PM (#49553446)
Note that's a US definition — Europe is stricter and draws the line at non-public information [0], aside from certain carveouts and safe harbors. Matt Levine describes this as "theft" (misappropriating nonpublic information) vs. "fairness" (using nonpublic information at all) — iirc if you're on a flight and overhear a passenger in business class talking about an upcoming merger they're working on, that's legal to trade on in the US but illegal in Europe. At least that's what I generally remember about "parity-of-information" theory.

[0] https://blogs.law.ox.ac.uk/oblb/blog-post/2024/01/insider-de...

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by jameshart on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:31PM (#49553629)
If you and the buyer know about the risks then you’re not making a trade based on material non public information, are you?

If you make a hedging trade while having material knowledge that you withhold from the counterparty… well, that sounds like it could be edging towards fraud. Like taking out life insurance while hiding a medical condition.

But sure, it’s not against the law to do business with a sucker, so there’s degrees here.

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by FireBeyond on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:24PM (#49555350)
John Tuld, in Margin Call:

Sam Rogers: And you're selling something that you know has no value.

John Tuld: We are selling to willing buyers at the current fair market price.

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by mcmcmc on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:12PM (#49555164)
Prediction markets are not remotely commodities markets, regardless of whatever the Trump admin says. It’s just gambling without any enforcement on cheating.
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by lokar on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:10PM (#49552383)
Corruption
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by Octoth0rpe on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:21PM (#49552567)
> a competent DOJ

The question answers itself.

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by luizfzs on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:41PM (#49552902)
Lobbying
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by freejazz on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:11PM (#49553335)
> competent DOJ

Answered your own question.

Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by HDThoreaun on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:44PM (#49556666)
Insider trading is like the whole point of prediction markets. Users pay the insiders for better information
Re:New York Times and The Athletic workers demand company sc... by JohnTHaller on Thursday September 03, 2026 @07:00PM (#49558306)
There's nobody left at the DoJ in a high enough position to do anything like this. I'm not a gambler myself, but if I were, I certainly wouldn't used something that seems made for insider traders and suckers.