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Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by Avicebron on Friday August 28, 2026 @09:37AM (#49478279)
I clicked around a bit, read the manifesto, I still have no idea what these people do. I guess they claim to have been around for a while, but a bunch of the links don't work and the manifesto has definitely been updated to reflect 2026 opinions.

What is this?

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by NoboruWataya on Friday August 28, 2026 @09:43AM (#49478349)
The "About" page seems fairly clear:

> A/I was born over 20 years ago to provide internet support (through website hosting, e-mail accounts, mailing lists, chat, blogs, and much more) to activists and collectives coming from the world of grassroot and social movements.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by john_strinlai on Friday August 28, 2026 @09:43AM (#49478357)
i thought the page says it pretty clearly.

they are a group of people providing services to activists. services include email, web hosting, chat, and other anonymity services. (see https://www.inventati.org/services/)

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by 0974280943 on Friday August 28, 2026 @03:45PM (#49483333)
For your kind, Hamas and IS are activists.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by pietervdvn on Friday August 28, 2026 @09:41AM (#49478324)
They host blogs and email used by many activists.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:55PM (#49484703)
including the noblogs site which is used by many anarchist, anti-fascist, anti-imperialist, etc groups
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by gwbas1c on Friday August 28, 2026 @09:48AM (#49478427)
Did you click on https://www.inventati.org/about ? (I also tried reading the manifesto first.)

From it:

> We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism

I suspect they have some "not mainstream" political views; although I think understanding what these views are requires more in-depth reading of the blogs that they host.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mdp2021 on Friday August 28, 2026 @12:42PM (#49481129)
> some "not mainstream" political views

I would say they are pretty "mainstream" (or very widespread) in some territories. I have seen bartenders wearing those 'anti-' terms on their t-shirts at work.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Friday August 28, 2026 @06:00PM (#49484745)
Anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, and anti-militarism?

Good?

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mdp2021 on Friday August 28, 2026 @08:47PM (#49485847)
> Good?

That will depend on what the bearers will want to mean with it, as usual.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by gwbas1c on Saturday August 29, 2026 @02:32PM (#49492145)
Labels (like anti-facism) often don't explain what the views are; they're just labels.

We'd need to dig much deeper to understand what their views are.

FWIW: I consider extreme leftists just as dangerous as the extreme right.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by jmalicki on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:02PM (#49481475)
Yeah, that says pretty much nothing about what they do. It reads like an enterprise tech company webpage saying "we provide solutions to help transform your company into the digital age".
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mdp2021 on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:31PM (#49481847)
Solutions to help individuals live through the digital age. Very different - for-profit vs for-survival (etc.).
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Friday August 28, 2026 @06:00PM (#49484739)
Will you just click the link? It's like 2 paragraphs and the very first sentence says they "provide internet support (through website hosting, e-mail accounts, mailing lists, chat, blogs, and much more) to activists and collectives coming from the world of grassroot and social movements"

How much more specific can you get?

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by dudefeliciano on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:09PM (#49481567)
It’s a sad day when antifascism is considered not mainstream
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @11:42AM (#49490827)
Fascism is mainstream so it makes sense that its opposite is not.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:59PM (#49484734)
> "not mainstream" political views

Yeah we should ban any non-mainstream political views and designate them as terrorist

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by jpcfl on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:36AM (#49479172)
It is intentionally vague. From the State Dept:

> The A/I Collective exclusively offers its tools and services to radical left-wing actors and manually vets all potential users for ideological affinity before granting them access to its infrastructure.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by KPGv2 on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:15PM (#49481645)
I don't trust the US State Department to tell the truth. At this point, it's like citing a Wikipedia edited entirely by bad faith actors.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by baobabKoodaa on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:38PM (#49484543)
In this case the US State Department is accurately reciting what this organization says about itself openly: https://www.inventati.org/about
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:56PM (#49484709)
> We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism. On top of that, one has to share our basic attitude towards money and the capitalistic world: a deep feeling of uneasyness and unrest.

I don't see anything wrong with that. They make 0 money from this. It's 100% run by volunteers. They don't support any orgs that could afford to do it themselves.

It's like if a group of you and your friends got together and gave tech support to any orgs that care about something you're passionate about (e.g. ending FPTP voting)

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by baobabKoodaa on Friday August 28, 2026 @06:41PM (#49485120)
> I don't see anything wrong with that.

Did I say there was something wrong with that? No. Let me repeat what I said: "In this case the US State Department is accurately reciting what this organization says about itself openly". Do you disagree with this statement?

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by Arainach on Friday August 28, 2026 @08:32PM (#49485772)
Opposing fascism and racism is not "radical left". It's centrism.

The State Department's words are not A/I's.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mlindner on Friday August 28, 2026 @11:12PM (#49486546)
Being against facism and racism is centrism, being part of an "anti-fascist" or "anti-racist" group is radical left. If you're part of a "group" that has stated goals of pushing something that is already a norm then its pretty clear what what you're doing is not pushing for what is already the norm as if it was the norm you wouldn't need to push for it.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by strbean on Saturday August 29, 2026 @04:25AM (#49488026)
Checks notes

Okay, so the chamber of commerce is a radical organisation, got it.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by baobabKoodaa on Monday August 31, 2026 @06:49AM (#49508140)
Hey, I'm sorry about my other message. I tried to tell another user in this thread to go f* themselves, and I seem to have accidentally clicked the wrong "reply" link in the tree and so my message went to you instead. What you write here is reasonable.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by jpcfl on Saturday August 29, 2026 @01:16AM (#49487092)
Antifa is not centrist
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @11:41AM (#49490812)
Is antifa in the room with us? Who is he?

If opposition to fascism isn't centrism then what is?

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by like_any_other on Saturday August 29, 2026 @01:26PM (#49491622)
Just call your group "the anti-bad guy good guy club", and then by definition everything you do is good and centrist. Therefore the following is centrism:

An Oregon leftist and antifa ideologue seeking to stop Immigration and Customs Enforcement was arrested on Feb. 4 over a manifesto and weapons procurement plan detailing his desire to stalk federal agents at the Portland ICE facility to their homes and kill them. - https://www.ngocomment.com/p/leftist-extremist-arrested-over...

33 anti-Israel protesters get slap on the wrist for causing $1M in damage to U. of Washington science building - https://nypost.com/2026/03/04/us-news/33-anti-israel-protest...

A German interior minister and author for "Das Antifa Magazin" said asylum seekers should have the right to vote after 6 months on German soil, and called for mass censorship - https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/politik-inland/auslaender...

Stabbing black conservatives - https://thepostmillennial.com/andy-ngo-reports-no-prison-tim...

Mobs physically attacking political candidates - https://www.lefigaro.fr/faits-divers/bordeaux-un-candidat-rn...

Making people who condemn arson unemployable - https://reason.com/2021/06/15/daniel-elder-cancel-culture-ch...

On the night of July 4, 2025, 11 members of a North Texas Antifa cell carried out a coordinated attack on the Prairieland Detention Center. Earlier that day, they had conducted reconnaissance (including reporting on security of the facility), and had assembled a cache of dozens of firearms. The group planned the attack ahead of time, including a “gear check” where the leader discussed bringing rifles and ominously “not getting arrested.” They dressed in black uniforms and brought 11 firearms, body armor, and military-grade first aid kits (including tourniquets for gunshot wounds). They disabled CCTV cameras at the facility, and threw fireworks and explosives to flush the officers out for a planned massacre. When officers called 911, Lt. Thomas Gross responded. Bodycam footage shows one of the attackers yelling “get to the rifles!” as the group opened fire. Gross was shot once in the neck, with the bullet exiting through his back, but survived and continued to fight back. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Prairieland_ICE_detention...

Beating leftists with clubs for the crime of carrying the US flag on US soil - https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-violence-portland-bernie-san... (The article comes with a nice photo! Can you spot any antifa in that photo, or will you continue to play dumb?)

I can keep going. If you're not convinced I can make a new post with 10x as many incidents. But it is true that there's no central antifa office with paperwork listing all their members. Nor is there one for white nationalists, but I don't see anyone arguing that doesn't exist.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @01:47PM (#49491783)
Are they antifa?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by like_any_other on Saturday August 29, 2026 @02:12PM (#49491988)
Good question. Let's see - they're [1] dressed uniformly, organize under the antifa banner, have the antifa flag spray-painted on their shields, and claim to be anti-fascists.

I guess there's just no way to tell! They could belong to any group! Except antifa, of course, because antifa is not a group. It's just an idea. With adherents. That form groups and execute actions based on that idea.

[1] https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-violence-portland-bernie-san...

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @02:19PM (#49492043)
If I wear a MAGA hat does that make me MAGA? If I wear a MAGA hat and shoot a bunch of people does that mean MAGA are serial killers?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by like_any_other on Saturday August 29, 2026 @02:25PM (#49492099)
So your argument is every single instance of antifa doing something bad was a false flag? Do you have any evidence to support this no-true-Scotsman?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:31PM (#49492612)
Can you answer the question please?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by like_any_other on Saturday August 29, 2026 @04:42PM (#49493160)
Sure, I'll play along: It does not make you MAGA. Wearing a MAGA hat is evidence of being MAGA (or to be more accurate, of sharing MAGA beliefs), but it is not conclusive proof. In your hypothetical, the next steps would probably be interviewing your friends and family, and poring over your social media, to determine if you really identified with MAGA, or if it was a false flag deception.

Supposing it was not a false flag, then no, it would not mean MAGA as a whole are serial killers, but it's a gamble if the killings would be attributed to MAGA as a whole. E.g. wikipedia immediately attributes the Charlottesville car attack to white supremacists [1], but doesn't attribute the Prairieland ICE detention center attack to any group [2], nor the Tacoma attack [3], despite perpetrators being associated with BLM, or running explicitly anarchist and Antifa clubs and social media accounts.

This (including the double standard) is how all groups are treated. E.g. when the media says liberals or conservatives banned some books [4], it doesn't mean there must be a central organization of liberals/conservatives, or that liberals/conservatives on average are censorious or pro-free-speech, as any group, loose or tight-knit, official or informal, has internal differences. That's why the news will say "environmentalists glued their hands to the street" or "BLM activists toppled a statue", and not "some individuals did something, but those actions don't represent everyone that shares the beliefs that motivated them".

In fact, this is how you yourself treat groups. Your words: Trump ran as a republican because he thought it would be easier to sway republicans to vote for him because they're sheeple - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49466394

So basically this commenter is projecting, because that is all that far right people do - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49465924

See? No "actually the far right doesn't exist, if I did a Nazi salute and said trans rights, would that make the far right pro-LGBT?", no "they voted for republicans but are they republicans?", no "is the far right in the room with us now?" - you're able to talk about groups just fine! And you can define those groups based on behavior and espoused beliefs!

So since I've been more than kind and seriously answered your question, and re-explained human group categorization that you demonstrably already understood, do me the courtesy of answering my question as well: Why is pretending not to understand basic concepts such a common tactic for the left? Or if you won't speculate for the left as a whole, I'll be happy hearing why you did it. Is it just that you have no better arguments, so you just try to waste time instead, and hope that your opponent, forced to re-define all of language on the spot, will bungle something, and you hope the audience will misinterpret that bumbling as your victory?

[1] The Charlottesville car attack was a white supremacist terrorist attack perpetrated on August 12, 2017, when James Alex Fields Jr. deliberately drove his car into a crowd of people - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack

[2] On the evening of July 4, 2025, a civil disturbance and shooting occurred at the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Prairieland Detention Center in Alvarado, Texas, United States, during a protest - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Prairieland_ICE_detention...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tacoma_immigration_detent...

[4] https://abcnews.com/US/conservative-liberal-book-bans-differ...

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @05:19PM (#49493428)
I am MAGA by the way and I hate all free expression. I think the government made the right move in sanctioning these groups and I hope they manage to bomb their headquarters soon.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by like_any_other on Saturday August 29, 2026 @06:23PM (#49493827)
I hope you intended your arguments to amount to yet another data point showing that the left cannot argue in good faith, because that is what you accomplished.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @10:57PM (#49495284)
You see how I am right wing MAGA, but you refuse to accept that and insist I'm "the left", but also everyone you don't like who firebombs buildings is also "the left". It sounds like you actually don't care what people call themselves, and you just want to label everyone you disagree with as "the left"
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by jpcfl on Saturday August 29, 2026 @04:26PM (#49493069)
I would suggest prompting your favorite LLM about Antifa, anti-fascism and anti-capitalism, rather than advertising your naivety here.

Opposition to fascism isn't centrism when fascism is broadly defined to include centrist ideas and the opposition is expressed as firebombing Tesla dealerships.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @10:55PM (#49495277)
An LLM would tell me what I want to hear. It would not tell me what you think.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by jpcfl on Sunday August 30, 2026 @04:18AM (#49496761)
Skill issue
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Sunday August 30, 2026 @11:42AM (#49499692)
No, they always do that. It's been scientifically proven.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by jpcfl on Sunday August 30, 2026 @04:11PM (#49502300)
If you don’t know how to prompt an AI to obtain facts, then that is a skill issue.
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Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by tomhow on Sunday August 30, 2026 @01:35AM (#49495985)
> fucking asshole.

> Go fuck yourself, gaslighting piece of shit.

This is a completely unacceptable style of commenting on HN, no matter who or what you're replying to. We've asked you before to observe the guidelines. Please take a moment to read them again and make an effort to observe them, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. If you can't make your point without being abusive, you probably don't have a good point. We have to ban accounts that continue commenting like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Friday August 28, 2026 @09:22PM (#49486069)
No of course I don't. The State Department is alleging terrorism. In their own words they are alleging anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-war, anti-fascism, etc.

How could you possibly equate those?

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by baobabKoodaa on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:21AM (#49487696)
I have never equated those.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by Arainach on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:40AM (#49487803)
> is accurately reciting what this organization says about itself openly

Declaring that the State Department's language is "accurately reciting" is equating.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by baobabKoodaa on Monday August 31, 2026 @06:31AM (#49508021)
> Declaring that the State Department's language is "accurately reciting" is equating.

Now you are just imagining the word "terrorism" into a sentence that does not include the word "terrorism". As a reminder, here is the sentence we are discussing: "The A/I Collective exclusively offers its tools and services to radical left-wing actors and manually vets all potential users for ideological affinity before granting them access to its infrastructure."

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @11:41AM (#49490810)
"radical left" is not an accurate recitation of "anti-racist, anti-sexist"
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by baobabKoodaa on Monday August 31, 2026 @06:59AM (#49508215)
> "radical left" is not an accurate recitation of "anti-racist, anti-sexist"

Gaslighting again. The quote was "anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism". See how you "accidentally" forgot to mention "anti-fascism" in there? This organization is actively supporting Antifa. Antifa is a prototypical example of what people mean when they talk about "radical left".

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by napolux on Friday August 28, 2026 @09:42AM (#49478341)
Autistici/Inventati is an Italian collective, active since around 2001, that runs free digital services for activists, grassroots groups and anyone who wants to communicate without being profiled.

It provides email accounts, mailing lists, blogs, websites, chat and VPN access.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by nonethewiser on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:10AM (#49478766)
Anyone? Like the PKK which The EU, UK, and US have labeled a terrorist organization ~20 years ago because they've killed thousands in Iraq, Turkey, and Syria since 1984?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by teiferer on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:21AM (#49478911)
Do the US then also sanction themselves? Cause the numer of people they have killed in that region of the globe since 1984 easily exceeds that number by orders of magnitude.

And the platform hasn't done any killing. They merely provide email etc. Are we going to sanction road builders too because a murderer has driven on their road since 1984?

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by john_strinlai on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:13AM (#49478799)
that would technically fall under the definition of "anyone", yes...
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by nonethewiser on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:16AM (#49478841)
Not just technically. Also in practice. That's the reason cited for the sanctions. Seems reasonable.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by john_strinlai on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:18AM (#49478876)
it would be more reasonable, maybe, if the sanctions weren't primarily being used for the anti-encryption, anti-privacy crusade.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by Ar-Curunir on Friday August 28, 2026 @11:22AM (#49479915)
This entire thread you’ve been talking about the PKK with very little evidence in support.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by 32aGh on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:37AM (#49479184)
They should have hosted for Al Qaida and ISIS. Then they would have been invited to the White House and been sprayed with perfume by Trump:

https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/11/12/donald-trump-ahmed-al...

"Al-Sharaa, who until recently was known by his alias "al-Julani," was a longtime jihadist who was part of the ranks of organizations associated with al-Qaida and ISIS, and even orchestrated an attack against Israel – milestones that led to his designation as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist" by the US, with a reward of approximately $10 million for information leading to his capture. President Trump decided to lift the sanctions on al-Sharaa, who has transformed into a political leader following the collapse of the Assad regime in December, when he assumed Syria's presidency as the leader of Hayat Tahrir al-Sham."

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by MSFT_Edging on Friday August 28, 2026 @12:58PM (#49481385)
This tidbit should show people how the line between "terrorist", "freedom fighter" and "useful lackey" is razor thin.

You should never take the "terrorist" label at face value.

The US funded the Mujaheddin in the 80s in Afghanistan. Their first moves upon receiving the weapons was to throw grenades through the windows if Girls' schools.

They began as the "useful lackey", and the US lost control of the Wahabist movement that was amplified to fight Communism. Then they were "freedom fighters" to the religious extremists, and "terrorists" to fight a war against.

In your own example, Al-Sharaa(a product of weaponizing Wahhabism) did actual terrorism, and then was able to squeeze back into the "useful lackey" position, like many "terrorist"s have before him.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mrtesthah on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:16AM (#49478847)
Is that more, or less, than the 1.2 million people Musk has killed so far with the illegal dismantlement of USAID? Musk aggressively advocates for the forcible ethnic cleansing of Europe.

I see people posting links to x.com which he uses to promote those views as well as platform other hate groups calling for violence and genocide against immigrants, trans people, etc.

Do acts gain moral validity under color of law alone?

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by Mythli on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:46AM (#49479325)
well USAID where I live finances regime changes and I guess these are very net negative in terms of lives killed.

You see it everywhere.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by moron129 on Friday August 28, 2026 @11:08AM (#49479701)
Don't worry, the regime change part of USAID has been moved directly to Rubio in the State Department. Only the aid part has been removed.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by jst1fthsdys on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:03PM (#49481493)
NED bucks are flowing again too.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by deaux on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:59AM (#49479556)
Does AWS do business with anyone? Like the Israeli government who has been labeled perpetrators of genocide by the UN ~1 year ago because they've killed tens of thousands in Palestine since 2023?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by isityettime on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:09PM (#49481570)
The US sanctions the PKK because we're obliged to do so by our NATO ally Turkey, which gave rise to the PKK by carrying out a genocide against its local Kurdish population.

Meanwhile the SDF, the armed wing of the PYD, follows the same ideology as the PKK and was trained in military tactics by the PKK, and was among our chief allies against ISIS. They fought alongside US soldiers and we even supplied them with small arms.

The history of the PKK is complicated and the state they struggle against has a long history of genocide and (more recently) outright dictatorship. The relation of these countries to the PKK isn't ultimately determined by the PKK's history, morality, ideology, or even the use of terrorist tactics per se.

If you're curious about the bigger picture, there's actually an organized movement whose aim is to "de-list the PKK" as a terrorist organization, and that's probably a good place to start: https://www.peaceinkurdistancampaign.com/activities/delist-t...

There are also some books and some academic papers on the history of the PKK and their ideology. Those written by independent academics are generally neither fully condemnatory nor exculpatory towards the PKK, but give a clear sense of how the term "terrorism" and its use is at least contestable, geopolitical, etc. And any familiarity at all with the history of the conflict makes it clear that the Turkish government is likewise guilty of state terror conducted against Kurdish civilian populations in Turkey for generations now.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by flumpcakes on Friday August 28, 2026 @12:06PM (#49480567)
Is it truly anyone, or only anyone that politically aligns with them?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by dudefeliciano on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:10PM (#49481587)
Obviously not to fascists, and if you look at their website they make it very clear that you need to align ideologically and explain why and how you will use their services
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Friday August 28, 2026 @02:50PM (#49482804)
Anyone that politically aligns with them. They say that explicitly:

> We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism

They don't receive any money for this. It's 100% volunteer services.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by p-e-w on Friday August 28, 2026 @06:05PM (#49484799)
Then they are an activist group, not an “infrastructure provider” as claimed elsewhere in this thread, and holding them responsible for what their members do with the accounts they give them seems entirely fair.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Friday August 28, 2026 @06:14PM (#49484892)
You want them to be "held accountable" for supporting groups that don't align with the ideology of the US whitehouse.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by p-e-w on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:54AM (#49487860)
If you select who you provide services to based on their ideology, you can’t shrug and say “I’m just an infrastructure provider, same as the electrical grid” when it turns out that some of those individuals committed crimes using the stuff you gave them.

That’s a very different situation compared to the standard “sign up with your email here”. The provider is responsible because they picked their clients, rather than their clients picking them.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mdp2021 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @04:00AM (#49487890)
Look, really not. When the bartender glances at the customer and decides whether they have already drank too much, if the bartender makes a mistake and the customer later crashes into something it is not the bartender's responsibility.

If the bartender decides as a rule "first of all, if they seem uncertain on their legs it is already a no", again that is just a codification of the former.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:29PM (#49492597)
> If you select who you provide services to based on their ideology

Nobody in the world DOES NOT do this. If an advertiser takes down their ads from a website because that website is spreading white supremacy then they are doing just the same. As they should.

Also where do they claim they are "just an infrastructure provider"? They clearly say throughout that they provide services for anti-racist/anti-sexist/etc orgs that can't afford to do it themselves.

They do not make a profit. They are not a company. They are literally a group of friends helping orgs out.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by jscd on Friday August 28, 2026 @10:18PM (#49486298)
being selective about who you provide free services to makes you an activist group?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @01:29AM (#49487143)
Yes, see, if you sell guns, but you only sell guns to people who promise to use them for defense, but don't sell them to people who promise to murder, that makes you an activist gun seller and personally responsible for whatever happens with those guns.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mdp2021 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:43AM (#49487817)
Either you wanted to be sarcastic or your simile did not work well.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by ithkuil on Saturday August 29, 2026 @04:52AM (#49488156)
That simile captures perfectly the logic here. I don't think it's technically sarcasm

EDIT: a better simile would be if guns were giving away for free. You can see how that could be construed as increasing the responsibility of the provider if a receiver then does something illegal with it

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mdp2021 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @01:45PM (#49491763)
I really do not see that responsibility. It is so perplexing, so odd a perspective that some of you are advancing, that I could (jokingly, I understand good intention) call it resembling "gaslighting" from here - do you know, for example, in the series Parks and Recreation the topos of Ben not understanding why Li'l Sebastian would be a big deal?

I'll repeat a few of similes I used, with this latest: somebody giving guns away for free would be /less/ responsible if he screened the receivers first; somebody serving drinks would be /less/ responsible if he checked the costumers first; somebody in possess of a hammer would be /less/ responsible if he lent it to known vetted people instead of just anyone...

I get it that some see that cases for the opposite exist, but I would need a strong example because those provided made me strengthen the view I advanced instead of seeing an acquired responsibility on those who select their customers.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by ithkuil on Sunday August 30, 2026 @07:09AM (#49497646)
Don't get me wrong, I also don't see it personally. I just think that the framing is useful: it highlights how our society has a bias towards business and a bias against morality-driven initiatives

If selling the weapons is "ok" because business must be allowed because the motive is purely selfish (I just want to make a living for myself and my family), and giving away weapons is "suspect" because "you clearly have an ulterior motive", if just means that we live in a world where selfishness is the norm being altruists is suspect.

I think this is the core divide of our society, much more useful than the obsolete "left" and "right" divide

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:30PM (#49492609)
The metaphor is ridiculous and that's the point. GP is saying the GGP's argument is just as ridiculous
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mdp2021 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:52AM (#49487852)
> fair

No, with these limited elements. The filter may just be "of course I will not provide my (free) service to people that may use it in what I call a repugnant way".

When you know Harry is a rogue CEO, say a misinformation spreader or the issuer of unethical products, and you refuse to work for it, to provide it your services: does that make you an "activist"? Many people will call it "just the normal right thing to do". This is similar to people here calling certain positions "centrist" or "extremist" - and that entirely depends on how those positions are interpreted beyond their dumb (not telling) label, and on the dumb labels over said labels.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by p-e-w on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:57AM (#49487875)
> Many people will call it "just the normal right thing to do".

It’s absolutely not a normal thing to do for entities that want to use the “we are just infrastructure, our users are responsible for their actions” excuse.

In fact, such entities (e.g. power grid, telecom) are often legally prohibited from choosing their clients, and in exchange aren’t held responsible for what their clients do with their services.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mdp2021 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @04:12AM (#49487964)
Also see my other post.

So if you had a hammer in your yard, and somebody took it and misused it, you would not be responsible, but if you gave it to your neighbour and he used it to crush a skull, you the owner of the hammer would be responsible? It is clearly at least the opposite. Abstract from the "paid service", but see that.

The rule you propose (filtering would create responsibility) makes no sense. Try to show why it would be so, maybe.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @11:44AM (#49490838)
The government should pass a law forbidding blog hosts from choosing their clients if that's what they want to happen.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by viccis on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:17PM (#49481682)
The US govt is trying to brand "antifascism" as a terrorist ideology. They host antifa stuff.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by includenotfound on Friday August 28, 2026 @03:17PM (#49483072)
Antifa is a terrorist organization.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/desi...

It follows that those hosting them are chased

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by pyth0 on Friday August 28, 2026 @03:49PM (#49483374)
Antifa is not one organization, that's ridiculous. It would be like claiming that "Anarchists" are a terrorist organization.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by includenotfound on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:17PM (#49484350)
Feel free to send the White House a letter complaining. I did not write the big "ORGANIZATION" in the title of that EO. Or is it just bike shedding?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by SauciestGNU on Friday August 28, 2026 @06:08PM (#49484827)
The objection is the administration is inventing a group wholesale in order to designate those who oppose their policies as terrorists. The executive order can say whatever, that doesn't make it factual.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by feshbach on Friday August 28, 2026 @06:33PM (#49485057)
Antifa is a decentralized organization: shared branding, shared tactics (borrowed from neo-nazis), chapters/affinity groups, mutual aid and coordination across cities.

Anarchism is a philosophy. Antifa is an actual terrorist network.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by henearkr on Friday August 28, 2026 @08:25PM (#49485747)
Ridiculous. I am anti fascist, and I have never heard of any of what you are talking about.

I oppose fascism.

That does not magically infuse into my brain mysterious connections to groups of people, nor instantaneous knowledge and mastery of tactics from nazi groups...

That would be actually kind of cool, but no, sorry to disappoint you.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by logseman on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:06PM (#49483564)
You link to that press release like it means something more than changing a lake's name by fiat.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by tartoran on Friday August 28, 2026 @03:49PM (#49483380)
Yeah, yeah, soon any opposition to Trump or Israel is deemed terrorist...
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @01:28AM (#49487139)
It's not soon, it's literally right now.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by tartoran on Sunday August 30, 2026 @01:51AM (#49496047)
It's getting there. Right now there is still free opposition to Trump.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by pezezin on Saturday August 29, 2026 @07:53AM (#49489116)
Antifa is as much of an organization as Anonymous.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by wildrhythms on Saturday August 29, 2026 @11:34AM (#49490760)
The United States classified Nelson Mandela a terrorist until 2008.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by dbspin on Saturday August 29, 2026 @11:52AM (#49490920)
Antifa isn't an organisation at all. It's a loosely defined ideology / set of tactics that leftist movements (everything from black block kids to local democratically organised spaces) sometimes use or follow.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mechanicalpulse on Friday August 28, 2026 @02:43PM (#49482730)
Maybe a honeypot?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by johnnyApplePRNG on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:37PM (#49484536)
Most likely a honeypot.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @11:43AM (#49490830)
If it was a honeypot it wouldn't be a sanctioned terrorist organisation.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by culi on Friday August 28, 2026 @02:48PM (#49482780)
The very first sentence on their about page says they "provide internet support (through website hosting, e-mail accounts, mailing lists, chat, blogs, and much more) to activists and collectives coming from the world of grassroot and social movements"

It also says their manifesto was written in 2002.

You can use the Wayback machine to see older versions.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by doginasuit on Friday August 28, 2026 @08:33PM (#49485779)
For what it's worth, the people I have known personally who talk like this don't actually do very much except talk like this. Then again, they have never been sanctioned by a government.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @11:39AM (#49490800)
These guys provide web hosting and stuff.

If you knew people who actually did actions, they'd be right in not telling you about their actions until they really really trusted you to defend them with your life. Loose lips sink ships when you're going against a government.

Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by mzhaase on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:28AM (#49487741)
They're just anti-capitalist nerds, example, they host Linux user groups in a couple cities, collect computers for schools etc.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by Shuang1 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:13PM (#49492465)
There's a lot of talking around this in the comment section for some reason: they allegedly provide infrastructure for recognized terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Palestine Action (the group that attacked UK air force bases).
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:55PM (#49492823)
So does WhatsApp
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by echoangle on Saturday August 29, 2026 @05:25PM (#49493471)
Knowingly and intentionally?
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by inigyou on Saturday August 29, 2026 @05:49PM (#49493639)
Yes.
Re:U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective by echoangle on Sunday August 30, 2026 @06:00AM (#49497253)
Citation needed.