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Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by pknomad on Thursday August 27, 2026 @02:16PM (#49468993)
It's not only magically fast, but it's super useful. You can use it at vending machines + convenience stores anywhere (unless it's one of those old ones that only take cash/coins and print paper tickets) and at the shops as well.

People not in Japan/Singapore/Korea/China should experience what a proper transit card done looks like.

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by Tor3 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @02:38PM (#49469301)
I've used a Suica card for many years now. I agree it's both fast and reliable. One summer I was crisscrossing Tokyo by train over several days, using the Suica card, so I got to see a LOT of commuters. Lots of people were in a hurry and would run through the gates (the default state is open, it closes quickly if your card is out of funds or some other problem). Running through the gates while quickly touching the card to the reader. I've done that a couple of times myself.

It's also useful in that you can pre-order a Shinkansen ticket, for example, and link that purchase to your Suica card, which you then use for the Shinkansen gate. If there are other fees (which there may be) they're just deducted from the money the card holds, as usual. Makes everything very simple.

For me a physical card is easier than using a phone. A phone is so much larger so I would need to get it from a pocket somewhere, while the Suica card I can keep in my jeans pocket or some other easy place.

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by ks1723 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @05:00PM (#49471198)
I also did prefer my plastic Pasmo (essentially the same as suica) card until I learned during my last trip, that it can only be recharged with cash :-/
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by Marsymars on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:01PM (#49472394)
This doesn't especially bother me, but it is a kinda funny workflow to go to an ATM to withdraw cash (with your bank card) only to immediately put it back into the machine (to charge your IC card).
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by glitchbot on Friday August 28, 2026 @08:29AM (#49477568)
Word!
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by wst_ on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:23AM (#49474659)
You can create digital Pasmo and charge it through mobile wallet.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by eloisant on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:32AM (#49475962)
It doesn't work with most Android phones not bought in Japan, because they don't support FeliCa.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by m4rtink on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:44PM (#49474108)
It was funny during Expo in Osaka on the massive metro station - you could just zip in with the suica, while the less knowledgeable foreign tourists would form long queues in front of the special gates where they could pay by a payment card, which were glacialy slow in comparison.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by nihonde on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:09AM (#49475797)
For a long time in Japan, the physical cards were limited because of IC inventory shortage. There was a big push to get people to use their phones during this time.

Also, travelers beware: some of the special "Suica" sold at Haneda (and maybe Narita, too?) expires and is completely dead after 30 days, even if it has a balance. I found this out the hard way. Buy a proper Suica at Shinagawa or another non-airport station.

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by Shank on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:28AM (#49476313)
That’s the red “Welcome Suica”. Green or any other IC card at any other location like ICOCA don’t expire functionally ever. The stated time on some cards is 10 years since last use, but they’re practically infinite in that they can be used even after this point.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by dluan on Thursday August 27, 2026 @04:23PM (#49470696)
I much prefer convenient over fast, being able to just tap my phone's uploaded IC card/alipay without having to open it up or switch cards is maybe 200ms slower, but I don't have to think or change what I'm doing. Plus with alipay it will just autodeduct so I don't ever have to think about that as well, though Apple wallet Suica makes it easy to reload too.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by numpad0 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @04:58PM (#49471165)
JRE required Suica to be instantly accessible so there's a setting in Apple Wallet to set a card to a default quick transit use card(forgot the exact name). If configured as such, just poking the gate antenna with earpiece end of an iPhone instantly completes the transaction just as fast as a real card does.

(yes, the antenna is in the top FaceID/Dynamic Island area, Osaifu Keitai spec requires a □つ icon wherever antenna is located, which Apple managed to completely ignore)

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by Terr_ on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:19PM (#49472519)
FWIW on Android, Google Wallet tells me "Transit Cards: These cards never require verification", and indeed I can just wave my phone at the terminal without unlocking it.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by mikestew on Thursday August 27, 2026 @05:51PM (#49471778)
a setting in Apple Wallet to set a card to a default quick transit use card

Because it's not the easiest setting to find: Settings/Wallet & Apple Pay/Express Transit Card

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by disposedtrolley on Friday August 28, 2026 @12:20AM (#49474328)
The Wallet app prompts you to set this up when you initially add the transit card too, IIRC.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by jtokoph on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:55AM (#49474845)
It’s also enabled by default now if I remember correctly.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by blks on Thursday August 27, 2026 @06:55PM (#49472333)
And here I was all this time double pressing power button to open wallet like a fool. The more you know.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by jen20 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:02PM (#49472405)
Is this different to Express Mode, which has been a thing for years for all kinds of cards (including car keys)?
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by kalleboo on Thursday August 27, 2026 @10:25PM (#49473654)
Express Mode originally launched as Express Transit with only support for Suica, Beijing and Shanghai cards. It was then renamed to Express Mode when support for the other modes was added.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday August 27, 2026 @05:04PM (#49471236)
This is a consequence of the world being eaten by managed code. IBM made POS checkout terminals that were blazingly fast 40 years ago. Now every modern data processing technogy is glacial by comparison.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by otterley on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:54PM (#49472744)
The story makes clear that constraints matter. Product teams build against specified constraints. If latency isn’t one of them, they’re going to sacrifice it if it helps meet the defined requirements more quickly and cost-effectively.

Every time I see a shoddy piece of work, I know which constraint was sacrificed.

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by flaunf221 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @06:26PM (#49472095)
> People not in Japan/Singapore/Korea/China should experience what a proper transit card done looks like.

In Prague city transit does not have limiting gates. If you bought unlimited ticket, you just walk in bus/tram/metro and that is it. No touching, scanning, showing, nothing. Maybe once a month (or even rarer) you might encounter a patrolling controller who would ask you to show your ticket, but that's it.

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by disposedtrolley on Friday August 28, 2026 @12:19AM (#49474318)
Same in Berlin. I think the reasoning is that it'd cost more money to fit ticket gates compared to loss of revenue from fare evaders.

Makes for such a smooth journey as most people are doing the right thing.

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by spasmo on Saturday August 29, 2026 @10:09AM (#49490029)
In Germany you now just get the Deutschlandticket and take every bus, tram, metro or regional trains anywhere.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by imp0cat on Friday August 28, 2026 @01:29AM (#49474702)
> If you bought unlimited ticket

And that's the difference. IIRC, you have to periodically top up your Suica card with money which then gets deducted from the balance each time you use it.

In Europe, there is no such thing - sure, you can buy a lot of single ride tickets and then use them when you need to, but you have to stamp the ticket when you start each ride, which does seem a little more inconvenient.

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by rimaye on Friday August 28, 2026 @03:27AM (#49475466)
> In Europe, there is no such thing

The European public transport system is not some centralised system that should be generalised like this. The system in the Netherlands has worked like Suica for years (but without the extremely fast card reading unfortunately). You simply tap on with your public transport card or bank/credit card and tap out when you get off. Subscriptions, automatic/manual top ups, it's all possible.

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by phatfish on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:22AM (#49475889)
In London you can use a contactless (UK) bank card, and it works just like the "Osyter Card". I think that started around 2016. For journeys on the TFL network you should get billed the lowest fare, as long as you touch at the right points when changing.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by glitchbot on Friday August 28, 2026 @08:32AM (#49477602)
I still have an old laminated underground pass with my picture on it from 92'.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by PetitPrince on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:26AM (#49475918)
I don't think it's fair to conflagrate "Europe" as a single entity. From what I'm reading and my distant recollection:

- In London you top up your Oyster card and pay a fare according to the zone your travelling to. Metro is gated.

- In Paris your load up tickets in your Navigo pass and pay a flat rate every time you take the metro or RER. It's also gated.

- In most (all ?) Swiss cities you don't have any card to charge and have to get a ticket for every travel (like in London your fare amount depends is zone dependent); however there's an app that let you get your location at the start of your travel and end of your travel and automatically charges you the correct fare. There are no gates.

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by cpt_sobel on Friday August 28, 2026 @08:20AM (#49477474)
There are no gates anywhere in Switzerland, but one will encounter patrollers much more frequently in the trains (seldom in the trams/buses). I was flabbergasted by the low-trust look of the 2.5-meters high gates in the Paris subway
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by numpad0 on Sunday August 30, 2026 @12:36PM (#49500197)
I guess this is worth an explanation: in many European intra-city subways/trams, you're supposed to buy a ticket and then insert it into a "validator" machine that stamps current time. The validator is around where ticket gates would be, but much fewer in numbers, installed on random locations or on railings. Being on a train without the stamped ticket is equivalent to jumping a fence.

A lot of European folks seem to have positive experiences with the validator system as something convenient, less intrusive and high bandwidth, overall superior, but personally I doubt it scales out to scale and transit models of places like Shinjuku. Most rides in Tokyo commuter rails are point to point and Japanese commuters go through gate like a marching army, so it means temporary riders has to disrupt the march to get to the validator, and also a single validator in the middle of the gate area isn't going to meet demands but increasing the number of the machines kills the benefits.

btw: JRE is actually doing experiments with more modernized touch-free gates, one based on facial recognition a la Minority Report, and another based on UWB radio gadget added to phones. It is speculated that UWB is likely the intended path forward.

Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by sandmn on Friday August 28, 2026 @04:12AM (#49475822)
In Vienna they don't have gates at all or even much indication where gates supposed to be. My first visit I accidentally didn't pay for my ticket - I'm used to ticket machines being near the gates but I couldn't spot any. I also arrived on a train so I thought that since there was no gates or visible ticket machines between train and subway, maybe my train ticket is valid for a subway trip (happens in some places) but it was not the case.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by hbarka on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:02PM (#49472402)
Alipay in China for transit and pay is also easy. No card, just a QR on your phone. It can even be a screenshot of the QR code.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by dyllon on Friday August 28, 2026 @12:14AM (#49474287)
QRs will always be so much more cumbersome than blindly tapping a card or your phone.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by disposedtrolley on Friday August 28, 2026 @12:22AM (#49474338)
Agreed. It also requires that you unlock your phone.
Re:Suica, Japan's First IC Transit Card by mi_lk on Friday August 28, 2026 @05:52AM (#49476483)
Just came back from Singapore and their transit card is the normal kind you’ll find in big cities in the west

Only Japan is on another level