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Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by toast0 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @11:48AM (#49287777)
> When I was young it was common for a McDonalds to have 10+ employees working the lunch rush, one for every station and a few floaters cleaning the dining room. Someone took your order right away, and you got your meal in a minute or two.

When I was young, they predicted orders and had hot food waiting, you would get your meal as you ordered. Unfortunately, after merciless teasing by other chains, they relented and only assemble to order and cook to order in some cases. Huge increase in lunch latency; ordering via the app can help a little...

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by andai on Thursday August 13, 2026 @12:14PM (#49288172)
The machines were right; truly civilization peaked in 1999.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by 07c84979b3b5d7 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @11:57AM (#49287930)
Yes, I remember that too. They even had this one promotion back in the day where you could start some timer after you ordered and if you didn't get your meal in 60 seconds you did get something for free (was it the full order? I dont remember).

It's been so obvious for a long long time now, but people still keep believing that smart things make you faster or give you a better life or whatever, but that just doesn't add up. It's just frustrating, often takes longer and the only reason it is there is to grab your data. There is no other reason.

Edit: Found it. You did get a coke for free. Damn, 2004. https://www.burgerschachteln.de/2004/Sonstiges/index.htm

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by Cockbrand on Thursday August 13, 2026 @12:13PM (#49288158)
TIL there's burgerschachteln.de, because of course there is a person collecting burger packaging on the Internet.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by bluefirebrand on Thursday August 13, 2026 @01:18PM (#49289055)
Of course they're German too.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by ricardobayes on Thursday August 13, 2026 @01:12PM (#49288977)
That brought back some memories. I would always order a Filet-o-Fish which they made fresh due to the low demand.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by alex0015 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @01:35PM (#49289305)
I'm too young to remember this particular promotion (though I certainly ate a lot of fast food in 2004). Data grabbing can't be the only reason, though. It's so much more expensive now to pay a large staff at a restaurant that isn't busy most of the time. Raw materials are more expensive, labor and benefits are more expensive, and the result is a combination of higher prices and lower quality outcomes. If the outcomes were the same the prices would be quite a bit higher.

The only counterexample I can think of is In-N-Out, which is always packed with customers and always has a large and very busy kitchen staff.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by genewitch on Thursday August 13, 2026 @06:14PM (#49292500)
In N Out has a much smaller footprint, so there is scarcity going for them. In a suburb of los angeles, there might be an in and out in your town or a neighboring one. There were sometimes a dozen or two McDonalds, BK, Carl's, Taco bell, Del Taco, Jack in the box, etc - multiples of each. 1 In N Out for 3-4 cities, but potentially 6-12 of each of the others.

I think that explains it. The singular Carl's Jr in a nearby city was always busy, for a similar reason. it closed during covid, for whatever reason, and the next nearest one is at least 2 hours away. Compared to the 6 McDonald's in my metro: 4 Taco Bell, 3 Whataburgers, 5 Wendy's, and 4 Open BKs out of 7 that were open prior to 2020.

The Raising Cane's is always packed to bursting, too, because there's only 1 in the area.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday August 13, 2026 @03:23PM (#49290742)
Burger King has a promotion going where if they screw up your Whopper, you get an extra one for free.

My wife laughs at me because every time I see that commercial, I point out that if our local BK (now out of business! surprise!) had to do that, they'd have been out of business even faster. Every single time I went there, they screwed up at least one thing. I just finally stopped going.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by Dylan16807 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @12:32PM (#49288459)
> ordering via the app can help a little...

It can? I used it once a few years ago and they wouldn't start making the food until I was in the parking lot.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by toast0 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @01:13PM (#49288988)
At the McD's nearest me, they will start when I'm at the nearest stop light; if I get stuck on a long red, timing is pretty good. At other locations, starting in the parking lot is still a little faster than if I had ordered in the store; drive through may be faster from the parking lot, but if the queue is full to the order point, if I order at the regular point, my order is usually ready by the time the orders in front have been taken care of; the order point is usually placed so the pipeline works smoothly at peak volume.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by xp84 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @12:37PM (#49288518)
Sure. It's definitely in the "a little." But given how slow the kiosks and apps are to operate, due to all the animations and cross-platform frameworks, getting that order done before you get in the car to go means the order starts when you pull into the parking lot, rather than after you go inside and poke buttons on the kiosk 37 times.

Or in the slim chance that there is a line it's good. But I've rarely seen a number of kiosks insufficient to prevent lines.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by wvenable on Thursday August 13, 2026 @01:16PM (#49289038)
They only changed this recently.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by xp84 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @12:34PM (#49288474)
It keeps getting worse, too, because everyone in the store is heavily evaluated on the KPI of 'time to serve an order.' But except for drive-thru, the staff control the timer. If you delete the order off the screen, the computer that does all the metrics thinks you've served it.

So of course they delete the orders as soon as humanly possible, relying on the printouts stuck randomly around the kitchen to try to keep track, and now anyone in the management chain who does care about actual service time is completely blinded to how well or poorly they're doing. Even a manager who is out there helping, and can plainly see how slow they are, still knows the metrics are meaningless so it's hard to track progress towards improvement.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by ApolloFortyNine on Thursday August 13, 2026 @01:13PM (#49288999)
>If you delete the order off the screen, the computer that does all the metrics thinks you've served it.

I've noticed this at other restaurants too and have debated emailing corporate when it happens (since I'm guessing the manager of the restaurant also is on board).

It's not that I don't get _why_ they do it, but it just compounds the problem. Corporate will see the stats and go 'oh X employees is enough at Y hour' despite 10 people waiting for their order since it said complete.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by idiotsecant on Thursday August 13, 2026 @02:05PM (#49289775)
The impulse to rat on low level employees for gaming the system just enough to keep their jobs is a wild one.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by ApolloFortyNine on Thursday August 13, 2026 @03:15PM (#49290639)
Employee games the system, people wait too long for food, people wait too long for food so they stop eating at the restaurant (this was my solution, it's fast food cutting it out is pretty much only a plus), people stop eating at restaurant so restaurant raises it's prices, more people stop going, restaurant closes.

The naive take is to think any one of these actions happen in a vacuum. Plus if this is happening at any scale at a restaurant then the manager probably told them to do it.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by alwa on Thursday August 13, 2026 @02:39PM (#49290194)
I feel like I could think of a way to word a letter that pointed out the problem without pointing out specific locations or people.

I can’t imagine that kind of race to the bottom is too fun for the low level employers laboring under it. It sounds like gaming the system involves a lot of operational stress. And a manager who’s willing to cheat to screw the people above or beside them tends to be willing to screw the people beneath them too—whether the manager got that way on their own or whether the system forced them into it.

I could especially see it working to the low-level employees’ disadvantage if “the metrics” “prove” they don’t need as much help in order to “hit their numbers.”

But as long as everyone else is doing it, they realistically have no choice but to join in the chaos or be culled. That’s a letter the low-level employees can’t write themselves without jeopardizing themselves, but that an outside party could.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by neilv on Thursday August 13, 2026 @04:15PM (#49291275)
Would something like the following work (other than sounding a little self-important), or is there another concern?

"Dear McMoo corporate or regional management, I've noticed an operations issue at a McMoo location, which I think probably affects many of your locations. I think the issue might be denying your management accurate data signals, while adversely affecting customer experience and brand, and unnecessarily increasing stress to your workers. [...]"

Sometimes it's worth writing such a letter. If I were in corporate, I'd want that serendipitous letter, about something important I didn't know. (Well, unless my promotion was riding on the worker metrics program I proposed being seen as a success, and my bosses believe more in perfect winning success with the very first shot, than they do in iterative refinement and learning.)

It's more uplifting to write letters of praise for an employee/location. I wrote one recently, to a big national chain. The only tricky part I've found is that I try to imagine corporate rules that might've been violated. For example, I might not want to say, "I told your employee my special-needs child loves your multinational chain ketchup, and the employee immediately fashioned a toy dog out of a dozen ketchup packets, and handed it to my delighted child, all while singing a song from a Disney movie." (In my imagination, that could get the employee written up 6 different ways.)

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by voakbasda on Thursday August 13, 2026 @02:29PM (#49290068)
The impulse is to out the bad system, not the poor souls stuck in it. Thus the ultimate decision to say nothing, as there is no way to affect one and not the other.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by tavavex on Thursday August 13, 2026 @03:11PM (#49290593)
You can just complain about seeing it at "every location you've been to" (because this is true, I've yet to find a McDonalds in my city that doesn't game the order system). It shows the problem is widespread without blaming anyone too specific.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by cxr on Thursday August 13, 2026 @02:48PM (#49290307)
This reads like someone who either never had one of these jobs and is left to try to use their imagination, or someone who is knowingly misrepresenting what consequences are awaiting low-level employees purely by choice.

Either way, the conversation would be better without your involvement.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by idiotsecant on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @07:17PM (#49354232)
What on earth are you talking about. A customer writing a letter to corporate management calling out an employee for corrupting tracking metrics would be quickly acted upon in any retail or fast food context, even if tons of other employees do it. If anyone is disconnected from reality here, it's not me.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by cxr on Wednesday August 19, 2026 @10:35PM (#49369786)
Nope.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by ChrisClark on Thursday August 13, 2026 @02:30PM (#49290085)
Oh, I've felt that when they marked my order done and hadn't started yet.

But, like you said, I realized what they were doing, and how they quite possible NEED to do it just to keep dumb management happy.

So of course I didn't say anything.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by justsomehnguy on Thursday August 13, 2026 @02:30PM (#49290077)
With each year it's more and more evident what 'temporarily embarrassed millionaires' is not just an observation but more like a medical diagnosis.

> The impulse to rat on low level employees for gaming the system

While waiting their <$20 fast, cheap food.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by lovich on Thursday August 13, 2026 @04:00PM (#49291124)
That’s also why they have you pull out of the drive thru to one of the waiting zones even if there’s no one in line behind you. It lowers their “time in drive thru” metric and I guess they aren’t currently measuring time waiting in a parking spot after or it’s a less important metric for the franchise
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by peyton on Thursday August 13, 2026 @03:50PM (#49291023)
Wow, that explains why my order number mysteriously disappeared from their “now serving” screen even though I went at a time when the restaurant was empty.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by impendia on Thursday August 13, 2026 @04:40PM (#49291561)
Have front-line employees come under pressure these days?

When I worked in fast food, in the nineties, the managers were under pressure to optimize a variety of metrics. But they didn't have a lot of carrots or sticks, and most of the rank-and-file employees put in an honest day's work but beyond that didn't give that much of a shit.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by asddubs on Thursday August 13, 2026 @06:27PM (#49292596)
the shift managers are the ones under pressure, who are front line employees, they do the same work as the regular employees plus a bit extra and earn maybe $17 an hour instead of 15.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by impendia on Friday August 14, 2026 @09:37AM (#49298505)
Indeed, that's who I was thinking of. At the time I thought of them very much as "managers" and not having the same job as me. But I happened to see one of the shift managers' paystubs once, and she was not exactly making good money.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by bigfatkitten on Thursday August 13, 2026 @04:55PM (#49291732)
> But except for drive-thru, the staff control the timer. If you delete the order off the screen, the computer that does all the metrics thinks you've served it.

That was probably true at some point, but it isn’t now.

My teenager works part time at McDonalds. She tells me the drive thru at her store is equipped with cameras that automatically track the progress of each vehicle from order taking to payment to presentation, as well as into the waiting bay if you end up there.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by f33d5173 on Thursday August 13, 2026 @05:32PM (#49292139)
They said except for the drive thru.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by rurban on Thursday August 13, 2026 @10:25PM (#49294122)
Just take away their printers, install order screens in the kitchen. No way to cheat then
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by maccard on Thursday August 13, 2026 @01:32PM (#49289268)
> ordering via the app can help a little...

I’ve used the app once - it was slower than ordering at the kiosk, I was bombarded by ads and promos, and they didn’t pre cook my food.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by rascul on Thursday August 13, 2026 @02:54PM (#49290394)
> When I was young, they predicted orders and had hot food waiting, you would get your meal as you ordered.

I worked at McDonald's at that time. We would make a tray of 12 cheeseburgers and microwave them then leave them in the warmer until they're sold or got disgusting enough for customers to complain.

Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by kalleboo on Friday August 14, 2026 @12:10AM (#49294657)
I remember people sharing "tricks" like "order without X" in order to force the order to be made from scratch instead of pulled from the heating tray.
Re:I requested a copy of my data from McDonald’s loyalty pro... by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday August 13, 2026 @03:13PM (#49290606)
The App irritates the living f** out of me. I live about 10 miles outside town and it assures me that when I'm two minutes away, they will start making my order. That has never happened. I either have to click the "I'm here now" as I pull into the parking lot, or go into the dining room.

Doesn't matter; the price of McDonald's has gotten to the point where it costs about the same as the local diner whose food is exponentially tastier and they'll give me a free soda as I wait for my food to be made.