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Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by dyauspitr on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:18AM (#49244844)
Why can’t these idiots just mandate that you have to build out clean energy to power the data centers. It’s such a simple bit of legislation that they just will not do.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by newsoftheday on Monday August 10, 2026 @12:04PM (#49245530)
https://www.texastribune.org/2026/08/03/texas-data-center-pr...

"Abbott is asking the Public Utility Commission of Texas and the Electric Reliability Council of Texas to ensure data center developers provide information on tax breaks they will receive; power use and generation; water use and cooling operations; efforts to reduce impacts on local communities; and ownership of the facility. Any projects that fail Abbott’s ordered “comprehensive verification and audit” should be denied connection to the grid, the governor said."

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-directs-comp...

"“Our top priority is to protect Texans’ safety and quality of life,” said Governor Abbott. “Any project that fails to comply with the requirements set forth by the PUCT and ERCOT, and by state law, must be denied connection to the Texas grid. Simply put, Texans must come first.”"

https://environmentamerica.org/texas/center/media-center/new...

"The Lone Star State generated the equivalent of 37% of its electricity from solar, wind and geothermal power in 2025"

Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by refneb on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:24AM (#49244934)
Oil companies squash all kinds of clean energy regulation.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by kodablah on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:54AM (#49245349)
While I would like this, my guess is it is hard to reconcile with all the other commercial ventures in the state (including datacenters) that aren't subject to such a requirement.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by vendiddy on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:49AM (#49245247)
This seems like a good idea to me. I wonder what the hold up is.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by polski-g on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:29AM (#49244988)
Because the federal government made it effectively illegal to build nuclear reactors, and there are no more rivers to be dammed.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by WarmWash on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:35AM (#49245068)
People will run to point to the spate of new nuclear plans, but the point be made here is that nuclear regulation is so suffocating and costs so extreme that it's "effectively illegal" to build reactors.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by amanaplanacanal on Monday August 10, 2026 @12:02PM (#49245482)
Is it safety regulation that makes nuclear so hard, or is it just that we can't seem to do large projects of any kind any more?
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by polski-g on Monday August 10, 2026 @12:12PM (#49245640)
Musk can. Everyone else? Not so much.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by WarmWash on Monday August 10, 2026 @12:52PM (#49246337)
I can tell you from second hand direct experience that the regulations are absolutely over the top, and then doubled for good measure. It almost makes aviation look like running a lemonade stand.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by sensanaty on Monday August 10, 2026 @04:49PM (#49249502)
> It almost makes aviation look like running a lemonade stand.

I'm about as pro-nuclear as you can be, but that's probably a good thing. Modern reactor designs are amazingly safe, and the industry itself has a really amazing track record, but there should be no room for the usual corner cutting shenanigans when it comes to nuclear.

I do genuinely believe that the West at large has lost the capability of getting any kind of large infrastructure project built due to hilariously blatant corruption. Even France, the poster child for nuclear energy and how much of a success story it can be, is struggling with their latest nuclear expansion because we let the private entity ghouls come in and suck everyone dry for every penny they can manage.

Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by WarmWash on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @09:41AM (#49258186)
Say your 1979 Chevy is in need of a new 12V battery, but your car (for the purpose of the example) is under the NRC regulatory regime.

Can you just go to the auto parts store and buy a new lead acid standard issue battery? Definitely not. Well then ok, lets buy the most top shelf high-performance 2026 grade one. Also no.

The only battery you can use is the original one that came with the car in 1979. That's it. So now you have to pay a factory to produce a battery with a design from 1974. This battery easily costs $750k for all the custom engineering and low volume needed. And it is objectively worse by every measure to what is available at Walmart today for $50. So why do we have to use the original one? Because that is the battery that was certified, and certifying a new battery would take 10 years and tens of millions.

Again, I have pretty direct experience with this (a division of my company), and the situation above is a "translated" example of what goes down.

Maybe you call it "corner cutting" to use a new battery, but frankly I think you might be just speaking from the hip.

Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by amanaplanacanal on Wednesday August 12, 2026 @01:16PM (#49275713)
We are supposed to have new streamlined rules by November of this year per executive order 14300. I guess we'll see if that actually improves the process, or if nuclear is still unable to compete with wind and solar.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by fzeroracer on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @04:02AM (#49254786)
The US has long gone in the direction of abject mistrust in government agencies, which means large projects are just not feasible. Companies can't pick up the slack either; if they can't build out a new shopping mall without falling over themselves and cutting extreme corners then we shouldn't expect them to handle nuclear power either.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by dyauspitr on Monday August 10, 2026 @12:32PM (#49246004)
Plenty of solar and wind with batteries are available. Data centers and renewable energy are a match made in heaven. They can be in the middle of nowhere where land is cheap.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by preisschild on Monday August 10, 2026 @12:17PM (#49245716)
Honestly, that sounds kind of arbitrary. Why should companies that use electricity be required to also produce electricity? This is what the market is for, so other Companies can produce electricity for money and other Companies buy that electricity.

And to which companies would this apply? Only Datacenters? There are other energy intensive industries too, should this also apply to them? And what is the cutoff for that? Does every bigger 21st century company also need to be an electricity company?

It would be less arbitrary if all negative externalities would be taxed (for example, carbon tax or noise pollution tax) and maybe prioritize households on the public grid.

Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by tancop on Monday August 10, 2026 @01:07PM (#49246585)
why are arbitrary rules a problem? if some company starts opening steel mills and its causing problems for the grid then the state can make all new steel mills build power generation. right now the problem is data centers so new rules are aimed at data centers.

carbon taxes dont work because all they do is make production more expensive, and businesses are always happy to pass on any extra costs to their customers. its the same with noise pollution and water use. the only way to actually stop them is direct regulation.

buying land does not give you the right to do whatever you want with it. stop worshipping property and markets and focus on real problems like limited number of business licenses, exclusivity contracts, long or lifetime post employment terms, weak competition rules and long waiting times at government offices. all of them go against the right to buy what you want, work for anyone who wants to take you or to start a business. thats the real economic freedom that is in danger today.

Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by dyauspitr on Monday August 10, 2026 @12:34PM (#49246026)
Who cares how it works out as long as they come to the table with funded power generation for their constituent centers.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by kdheiwns on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:23AM (#49244920)
To answer your question: Texas. Running on a platform of clean energy is political suicide in half of America, particularly in the south.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by rstupek on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:30AM (#49244999)
You don't seem to realize Texas has huge number clean energy build outs and has been for quite a few years. They lead in wind generation and commercial solar generation.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by kdheiwns on Monday August 10, 2026 @01:40PM (#49247063)
I very much realize it. I know companies are doing it. But the angry responses to my comment shows that literacy is lacking in Texas because I said it's political suicide to run on it as a platform.

Ken Paxton, who is running for Senate and currently serves as attorney general, proudly announced cracking down on "solar scams": https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/attorney-...

Plus his campaign site makes no mention of supporting clean energy: https://www.kenpaxton.com/

I will repeat: it's political suicide to run on a platform of clean energy or education in Texas. That does not mean companies are not building clean energy. But politicians will not make it part of their platform during elections.

Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by xienze on Monday August 10, 2026 @05:09PM (#49249768)
> But the angry responses to my comment shows that literacy is lacking in Texas because I said it's political suicide to run on it as a platform.

If you really think Republican voters in Texas care so much about it, wouldn't the obvious play for Democrats be pointing out how much green energy these Republican politicians have allowed to be built under their watch? I think you're painting Republican voters with an extremely broad brush here and honestly, fail to understand what exactly they object to in the first place regards to green energy. Their main objection is being _forced_ to use it (or being chided by ivory tower know-it-alls) in contexts where they have certain preferences (like driving a big ass truck).

Not a single one is going to object to cheap energy so long as it doesn't degrade their current lifestyle. That's the point people like you forget when you're creating Republican straw men.

Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by dyauspitr on Monday August 10, 2026 @05:32PM (#49250051)
Democrats can’t even paint the republicans in the corner about blatant pay to play corruption or ignoring court orders. This isn’t proof of anything.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by BobbyTables2 on Monday August 10, 2026 @08:46PM (#49251867)
I think he’s more like a broken clock that is still right twice a day…

I’ve seen too many solar panels installed on the north side of a house, under a tree.

Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by vablings on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @10:44AM (#49259252)
A bifacial 500w panel will still generate significant power even under shade. I have seen people installing on north-south gable end walls and still making many kW throughout the day in overcast cloudy UK
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by mminer237 on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:33AM (#49245038)
Texas leads the nation in raw renewable energy production. Solar, wind, and nuclear are hardly maligned there.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by amanaplanacanal on Monday August 10, 2026 @12:07PM (#49245569)
I'm not in the know on Texas politics, so I'm curious. Do Texas politicians publicly support clean energy? Or do they just keep their mouths shut and let it happen? Given that the current head of the Republican party seems completely against it and how rabid some of his followers are, I'm just wondering how they thread that needle?
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by kdheiwns on Monday August 10, 2026 @01:42PM (#49247094)
Texas politicians never run with clean energy as part of their platforms. They still run with oil as their main shtick. That doesn't mean that they don't let clean energy operate in their state, because they'd be silly to completely turn down money. But they can't openly announce it as a point of pride because it'll anger their base.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by dyauspitr on Monday August 10, 2026 @03:50PM (#49248786)
I’m pretty sure the GP knows that Texas does a lot of renewable energy. It’s just that you can’t talk about it or run on that platform as soon as you run on it people think you’re some woke liberal America destroyer.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by MetaWhirledPeas on Monday August 10, 2026 @04:24PM (#49249197)
Pretty much. When the Texas grid was failing during ice storms they were trying to blame wind farms IIRC.

I suspect the success of renewables in Texas has more to do with the bottom line than anything else. They certainly get a lot of badmouthing from people in rural areas. And honestly this is the best possible outcome. The impact of good intentions wavers along with cultural evolution, but it's hard to stop something that just makes financial sense.

Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by goatlover on Monday August 10, 2026 @08:39PM (#49251808)
Since the GOP is already trying to paint Talarico that way, he might as well add it to his campaign if he hasn't already. He can mix it in with God wanting humans to take care of the Earth religious message. It's crazy how much the right has co-opted religion in American politics.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by browningstreet on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:28AM (#49244983)
Clean energy development was doing well, was powering more than half our needs, and was creating more jobs than oil. Guess that wasn’t good enough.

Oh and it reduced our green house gas emissions. That was the catch.

(I got coal rolled just yesterday, in Tahoe. Who knew that was still a thing…)

Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by polski-g on Monday August 10, 2026 @11:26AM (#49244956)
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by kdheiwns on Monday August 10, 2026 @01:43PM (#49247110)
I'm not. Business operate in Texas. I never said that they don't. But major politicians are not making it part of their platform.
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by kmeisthax on Monday August 10, 2026 @12:22PM (#49245811)
Because up until recently all the big hyperscalars were already committed to buying or building renewables to meet their energy demand. Then AI happened and they all collectively realized they needed to build as many datacenters as possible to fit as many GPUs as possible to chase the bubble. All those clean energy commitments got tossed by the wayside. Hell, half the time these companies fire people just to free up cashflow to buy more GPUs!
Re:OpenAI's letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infr... by 0xbadcafebee on Monday August 10, 2026 @09:06PM (#49252032)
It's more time consuming, expensive, politically fraught, logistically difficult, and hard to acquire land + permits for, than new gas generators and maintaining coal plants. Renewables are a worse idea in the short term, and all they want is short term solutions. They're on a half-trillion-dollar clock.