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Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by artisinal on Friday July 17, 2026 @01:41PM (#48950074)
Built his own home at 22. Started his own firm at 26. Raised six children. Peak Gilded Age energy. Boomers have nothing on him.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by twright on Friday July 17, 2026 @01:50PM (#48950174)
It never ceases to amaze me how Wright's style was so ahead of the times. A lot of people immediately think the houses are mid-50's but they're in fact 20 to 30 years earlier! If you happen to be driving through somewhere near one of the houses that are under conservancy[1] they are well worth a stop.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Frank_Lloyd_Wright_wor...

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by phlakaton on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:26PM (#48950590)
45 years earlier in some cases. I found the Robie House in Chicago (built in 1910!) to be a total head-trip.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by allknowingfrog on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:59PM (#48951012)
Isn't Wright sort of famous for designing structures that leak when it rains? My understanding is that Falling Water House is a beautiful money pit.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by Aurornis on Friday July 17, 2026 @03:04PM (#48951075)
Falling Water was an engineering disaster, but it was a unique project for him. Most of his houses are not like that.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by TremendousJudge on Friday July 17, 2026 @03:21PM (#48951256)
well, it's often said that all good architecture leaks [0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0j0d2ymixY

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by chasil on Friday July 17, 2026 @08:17PM (#48953796)
I thought the "move your chair" story concerned the Kauffmans of Falling Water, but it did not.

https://bpsfuelforthought.wordpress.com/2019/02/23/move-your...

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by twright on Friday July 17, 2026 @08:39PM (#48953917)
Money pit indeed! At Graycliff, the one he designed before Falling Water, there are no gutters or downspouts. The tour guide told us that Wright didn’t want them disrupting the horizontal lines of the house. The roof is cedar shake and there’s some wonderful moulding just below the roofline that gutters would normally protect. It must be astronomic to maintain it.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by BobbyTables2 on Saturday July 18, 2026 @12:06AM (#48955127)
I read that as “molding” just below the roofline …
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by bmitc on Saturday July 18, 2026 @12:41AM (#48955289)
His architecture was generally very, very progressive for the time and pushed the bounds of construction and structural engineering.

As someone else mentioned, he was designing houses that look newer than they actually are.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by CGMthrowaway on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:08PM (#48950368)
FLW created the times
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by UncleOxidant on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:27PM (#48950593)
There's something similar in cinema. For example, I was watching Terrance Malick's Badlands for the first time a couple of years ago and I could swear it felt like a film from the 90s or maybe early 2000s. But it was from 1973.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by bookofjoe on Friday July 17, 2026 @07:14PM (#48953291)
I think you would enjoy "The Sugarland Express," directed by 26-year-old Steven Spielberg and released in 1974.

https://youtu.be/JLSQBAXIKtk?si=Q8FP4c8v72PiZU93

Available here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trailer+sugarla...

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by frantathefranta on Friday July 17, 2026 @04:51PM (#48952176)
It's really amusing when you tour something like Casa Loma[0] in Toronto (a gothic revival house) and then compare it to the Darwin Martin house[1] in Buffalo, which was built basically 10 years before. I can't imagine visiting a FLW house in the early 1900s and then building a super kitschy castle.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Loma

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_D._Martin_House

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by leoc on Friday July 17, 2026 @04:56PM (#48952229)
Things like the Dessau Bauhaus and the German Pavilion in Barcelona were built in the 1920s. Post-war Modernism was a bit of a second wind.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by foota on Friday July 17, 2026 @07:11PM (#48953257)
Wow he was born a _lot_ earlier than I would have thought!
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by burkaman on Friday July 17, 2026 @01:56PM (#48950234)
I know houses used to be cheaper but I was still struggling to understand how a 22-year-old from what doesn't sound like a very rich family could have afforded this. His foundation website says "he negotiated a five-year contract with Sullivan in exchange for the loan of the necessary money" and then "it was not long before escalating expenses tempted him into accepting independent residential commissions". I guess you really did used to be able to get whatever you wanted just by going to college and working hard.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by CGMthrowaway on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:25PM (#48950569)
At age 22, FLW was specially trained, working at the equivalent of a frontier AI lab (the most important architect in Chicago) and in the most booming city at the time (Chicago, especially where construction was concerned- due to the Great Fire rebound)

He's not a random, there are a lot of factors working for him

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by rconti on Friday July 17, 2026 @05:38PM (#48952543)
> equivalent of a frontier AI lab

Except frontier AI labs basically consider the entirety of human creation, multiplied by 100, to be their total addressable market.

The most important architect in Chicago could only ever be able to capture a small fraction of a single city's architecture business.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by frantathefranta on Saturday July 18, 2026 @10:52AM (#48958674)
Not exactly just a single city, Adler&Sullivan designed buildings across the US.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by notahacker on Friday July 17, 2026 @03:56PM (#48951629)
22 year olds lucky or gifted enough to be able to borrow 10x the national average earnings from a boss paying them a high enough salary to expect repayment within five years would to be able to think about buying a small house in an outer suburb of most cities today if that was their priority. Especially if they took on extra contract work.

Obviously most 22 year olds in 1890 didn't earn a few times the national average salary. At the beginning of the twentieth century 81% of households were rented, and most of those were not nearly as nice as Frank Lloyd Wright's first home, which was not nearly as nice as it is today after decades of extensions.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by Aurornis on Friday July 17, 2026 @03:01PM (#48951042)
The house you see in the photos is the result of years of additions and expansions, funded by his success as a world-class architect.

The original construction was much more modest in size.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by burkaman on Friday July 17, 2026 @04:02PM (#48951690)
Thanks I guess I should have realized that, now it seems less insane.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by Aurornis on Friday July 17, 2026 @04:04PM (#48951708)
I’m sure the original home was amazing for its size, given who was driving the construction.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by fusslo on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:41PM (#48950800)
It kinda seems like Sullivan being shrewd. Sullivan probably saw the value in one of his junior architects going through the whole process of building a house for himself. It'd give Wright valuable experience. Mistakes could happen to his own property rather than a client's. Having such a contract may limit the chances that Wright would leave the employer. Wrights attitude towards Sullivan would be more positive if Wright saw him as a patron.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by pfannkuchen on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:09PM (#48950372)
N = 1 though.

> With money borrowed from his boss

Genius in field works for wealthy man in field, gets special treatment at a young age. News at 11.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by gedy on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:21PM (#48950520)
I agree and feel same. Doubly so since after 100+ years it's now more expensive and difficult to build a custom home? Seems off.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by gabrielsroka on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:30PM (#48950653)
> Wright borrowed $5,000 from one of his bosses, Louis Sullivan,[25][28][29][I] who took title to the land.[19][23] In exchange, Wright had to repay the loan within five years.[30] Excluding the land cost, Wright eventually spent $5,300, which included $1,200 from his own savings and $3,500 from Sullivan's loan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lloyd_Wright_Home_and_St...

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by Aurornis on Friday July 17, 2026 @03:03PM (#48951054)
That was for the original construction, which was much smaller in size. The house you see in the photos was after multiple expansions and additions as his career took off.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by intheitmines on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:37PM (#48950763)
According to BLS CPI data $5000 in 1889 is $182,132.07 in modern day purchasing power
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by Zigurd on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:57PM (#48950991)
I grew up in Oak Park and I've been in the home and studio several times. It's a remarkably homey home, in contrast with Wright's reputation for art over practicality. It's also what you'd expect from a tech nerd's work at home home: it has a whole house audio system in the form of a player piano built into a central stairway.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by waltbosz on Friday July 17, 2026 @03:13PM (#48951172)
I live within walking distance of a Frank Lloyd Wright house. Sadly, it's a private residence and closed to the public.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by jameshart on Friday July 17, 2026 @04:36PM (#48952012)
The homes architects build for themselves are fascinating studies. Walter Gropius’s house in Lincoln, Massachusetts is similarly human in scale with incredible attention to detail.

Like the Frank Lloyd Wright house in Oak Park there’s something a little underwhelming about them at first to a modern sensibility - they feel like spaces you are familiar with from modern houses (albeit often realized with greater skill than is typical - both houses make incredible use of their window perspectives for example). But then you need to recognize how far ahead of their time they were; Gropius’s aesthetic was his invention; that you can replicate it in your own home out of an ikea catalog today is because of him.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by tptacek on Friday July 17, 2026 @06:54PM (#48953075)
I live in Oak Park, just a couple blocks from the studio. The Unity Temple is the thing to see. :)
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by kasey_junk on Friday July 17, 2026 @07:50PM (#48953613)
You can see shows there, which is the right way to do it.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by shooker435 on Friday July 17, 2026 @04:40PM (#48952053)
> Wright left Oak Park and separated from Tobin Wright in 1909. Before leaving, he divided the studio and the home, allowing Tobin Wright and the children to live in the studio wing and rent out the house for income. Wright sold the property in 1925 and later owners divided the building into six units and neglected to preserve the historically significant property.

This is a really generous interpretation of what happened... He ran off to Europe with one of their neighbors, and his ex-wife (not divorced yet, though!) was left high and dry with no money and was forced to turn the studio into apartments for income.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by chasil on Friday July 17, 2026 @07:48PM (#48953599)
You are omitting the murders.

Wright ended his marriage and took Mamah Borthwick Cheney to Europe. This scandal ended his Chicago career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamah_Borthwick

After bringing her to his Talesin estate in Wisonsin, she and her children perished in the events explained in the wiki.

This particular home is not itself stunning. The Dana Thomas house in Springfield, IL is far more impressive.

In Chicago, the Robie house is the must see, followed by Unity Temple, leaving the Home & Studio a distant third.

I have personally stayed at the Cheney house (twice), which was a bed & breakfast for a time.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by frantathefranta on Friday July 17, 2026 @04:48PM (#48952138)
FLW almost always gets very generous interpretations of his intentions. I've been to 5 of his houses (including this one) and I've not heard anything negative about him on the tours. I say this as someone who likes his houses a lot (and considers themselves as someone who's gotten over the "FLW is overrated" hump).
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by shooker435 on Friday July 17, 2026 @05:01PM (#48952270)
Agreed. I'm a huge fan of his work and have spent some time in Oak Park as well.

That being said, the most accurate/honest depiction I've seen is a 2-part series on PBS. I think it does a great job of capturing the genius alongside the troubled hubris.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by brandall10 on Friday July 17, 2026 @10:33PM (#48954646)
He's had a wild life with an arc similar to Steve Jobs. Taliesen West was basically an architecture cult where he frittered away for nearly a decade before landing Falling Water for his big comeback... at 70 years old.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by hypercube33 on Saturday July 18, 2026 @03:58AM (#48956072)
Actually more similar than most let on too I believe. I think it's been accused that he didn't even come up with some of the designs either by others. History is weird like that. Griffin is his woz
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by dnemmers on Saturday July 18, 2026 @08:08AM (#48957348)
It really would be nice if there were much less hero worship of FLW. He was quite the imperfect man, who did some terrible harms.

He also made some buildings.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by yacthing on Friday July 17, 2026 @04:53PM (#48952195)
No idea why he's so famed. I've been to a few of his houses and they are completely impractical to live in.

So focused on making things look good, but spent no time thinking about people actually living in the houses.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by afpx on Friday July 17, 2026 @07:43PM (#48953547)
I visited Fallingwater not too long ago, and I was surprised to find out that it was built on a long-used occult ritual campsite and that apparently Edgar Kaufmann was like the Les Wexner of his day.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by fortran77 on Friday July 17, 2026 @05:17PM (#48952410)
He wasn't even a licenced architect. He couldn't leagally sign off on drawings or incorporate as a business with the word "architect" in it, etc.

https://codygatlindesign.com/2024/09/28/why-6-of-the-worlds-...

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by cavoirom on Friday July 17, 2026 @11:01PM (#48954780)
Some of the owners seem really happy: https://youtu.be/cJe-RXWohAE
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by goldlimetea on Friday July 17, 2026 @06:23PM (#48952855)
Mid house tbh
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by f1ay on Friday July 17, 2026 @06:39PM (#48952962)
I went on the tour of this home / studio early this year.

The tourguide didn't mince words, and came at FLW pretty hard for scams and philandering. My understanding is that FLW was kind of a grifter. Outside of being famous for just not paying his employees and designers, he was working on the side to put up houses that were explicitly against his contract after being paid huge cash advances by his friend / employer. He also famously hoarded his designers' and sculptors' ideas and claimed them for himself.

There's some fascinating ideas at play in his houses, and the fact that he designed the furniture for the rooms they would go in is fascinating, even though I didn't care much for his style. The concept of 'compression and expansion' came through well, when you'd walk through a somewhat narrow offset corridor before entering a grand room. It definitely had an impact.

That house was basically a prototype for a bunch of random ideas he had, including a stage for his children and his wife's students to perform plays (she was a youth teacher) complete with a giant mural of a djinn iirc was inspired by one thousand and one nights.

It felt like a psychedelic church.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by f1ay on Friday July 17, 2026 @06:50PM (#48953052)
It's unfortunate they didn't include more photos in the AD article and doesn't really do it justice, even though a lot of his design aesthetic wasn't for me.

Specifically there was an octagonal drafting room without central supports, using chains linked across the room and held together by a giant hub to hold it together from the sides. Truly a wild piece of engineering I've never observed in any home elsewhere.

I tried photographing it, which was essentially impossible but here's the best version I could find. https://www.instagram.com/p/DOZxFBoEdMb/

Since the home was also a studio, he would take people on a bit of a wild tour through his home before leading them to my favorite room on the tour -- and also octagonal 'deal room', which is the room most representative of all of his ideas within that house, with hidden drawers, and drafting boards hidden everywhere. https://martinhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/flw_studi...

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by halestock on Friday July 17, 2026 @10:49PM (#48954730)
I also took the tour this year and I came away with the impression that he would have fit right in with today's "genius" entrepreneurs and CEOs for all the reasons you stated. He certainly had great ideas and was an excellent designer, but he was belligerent and bull headed and owes a lot of his success to luck and the people who surrounded him.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by bmitc on Saturday July 18, 2026 @12:56AM (#48955352)
That's a bit of a silly comparison, in my opinion. FLW was an incredibly deep and original thinker. You can't say the same for today's "genius" entrepreneurs. FLW also experimented and created many new ways of designing and building. He couldn't possibly have been stealing that many unique ideas over basically his 70 year career.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by dnemmers on Sunday July 19, 2026 @08:15AM (#48967454)
"He couldn't possibly have been stealing that many unique ideas over basically his 70 year career."

I'm not sure how you could possibly make that assertion?

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by bmitc on Sunday July 19, 2026 @03:01PM (#48970810)
What is the counter claim? That he stole many different original genre defining styles and techniques from many different architects over a period of 70 years with not one well corroborated claim?

The fact that no such claims exist is how I made my assertion. Look at his body of work and study it. He reinvented his primary style multiple times but yet kept his core style. A claim that he was a grifter needs a lot of evidence for one of the most colossal intellects of our time. It's like saying Einstein was a grifter.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by iammjm on Saturday July 18, 2026 @02:47AM (#48955801)
I guess it’s pretty basic to like FLW but god damn did he make some lovely houses. Incredibly cozy and livable, just a pleasure to simply reside in them. I just love their shapes, materials and spaciousness.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by chasil on Saturday July 18, 2026 @03:03AM (#48955862)
I believe that the Guggenheim museum in New York was completed postumusly. I've been there.

Like the Johnson Wax complex in Racine, there were regulatory objections to the design. For the Guggenheim, two fire exits were required per level, so how is this done with a spiral ascending gallery? For Johnson Wax, the "lily pad" column supports were tested to 10x the maximum rated weight. I have not been to Johnson Wax.

Wright did prove his designs durable in unexpected ways, several times.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by pseudohadamard on Saturday July 18, 2026 @03:44AM (#48956018)
A pleasure to live in them? In a FLW design? I actually came here to say "let me guess, it's drafty and/or damp, it leaks, and it started falling apart six months after it was finished".

They do look fabulous, but man I wouldn't want to live in one.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by klum on Saturday July 18, 2026 @04:55AM (#48956328)
I find the small (relatively speaking) homes of some of the big architects more fascinating than the big flagship buildings. Another example is Louis Kahn's Esherick House: https://archeyes.com/the-margaret-esherick-house-by-louis-ka...

(But yeah, as someone else mentioned, many of them probably demanded a special fortitude of those who chose to live in them.)

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by RickJWagner on Saturday July 18, 2026 @08:22AM (#48957492)
There’s a great ( and true ) story about the song “So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright”.

Art Garfunkel had studied architecture, and asked Paul Simon to write a song about Wright. Paul Simon didn’t know anything about Wright, so instead he made the song about Garfunkel. What Garfunkel didn’t realize was that Simon was singing about ditching Garfunkel and going solo, which is what happened.

Garfunkel has talked about how painful that realization was. He still performs the song, because it’s just a great tune.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by hmnxrye on Saturday July 18, 2026 @06:55PM (#48963295)
Frank Lloyd Wright designed KFC in Koreatown, LA.

It's two-story structure with cyclindral dome in Art-Deco facade.

Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by quaddoggy on Sunday July 19, 2026 @05:12PM (#48971698)
If you have a late afternoon flight out of Chicago and free time earlier that day then you would have time to do a tour here. Very enjoyable.
Re:Frank Lloyd Wright's First Home by panick21_ on Monday July 20, 2026 @09:29AM (#48978627)
I don't really understand why this is famous. Or other his houses. Traditional British Country houses look better. As do other classic archtectures for country side houses.