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Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by jurschreuder on Saturday March 28, 2026 @08:46AM (#47554089)
I've got news for you, everybody with a modern cpu uses this, which use a perceptron for branch prediction.
Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by archermarks on Saturday March 28, 2026 @11:19AM (#47555381)
I didn't know that! Do you have any references that go into more depth here? I'd be curious how the architect and train it.
Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by isotypic on Saturday March 28, 2026 @11:48AM (#47555664)
I believe D. A. Jimenez and C. Lin, "Dynamic branch prediction with perceptrons" is the paper which introduced the idea. It's been significantly refined since and I'm not too familiar with modern improvements, but B. Grayson et al., "Evolution of the Samsung Exynos CPU Microarchitecture" has a section on the branch predictor design which would talk about/reference some of those modern improvements.
Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by archermarks on Saturday March 28, 2026 @01:26PM (#47556627)
Thank you, I'll give them a read.
Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by amelius on Saturday March 28, 2026 @09:52AM (#47554617)
At this point AI basically means "we didn't know how to solve the problem so we just threw a black box at it".
Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by integralid on Saturday March 28, 2026 @10:54AM (#47555149)
I disagree. More often than not is "We know how to solve the problem, and the solution is some linear algebra"
Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by Legend2440 on Saturday March 28, 2026 @12:08PM (#47555865)
I disagree with both of you.

It's not about linear algebra (which is just used as a way to represent arbitrary functions), it's about data. When your problem is better specified from data than from first principles, it's time to use an ML model.

Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by disqard on Saturday March 28, 2026 @03:39PM (#47557583)
I think what you're expressing is also known as "the Bitter Lesson".
Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by mpierini on Wednesday April 01, 2026 @08:57AM (#47600223)
Wrong! We do how to solve the problem, but the solution does not run on an electronic board at 100 nsec. So it has to be approximated with a function that runs within that time constraint. Also, if deciding to accept/reject events based on a learned metric of typicality is not AI, then why guessing the next token is AI? We have robots going around the LHC tunnel fixing things in high radiation environment. Is that enough AI? If not, we accept volunteers to replace the robots… Relax people and try to imagine that life might be more complicated than what an oversimplified general public article says
Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by Create on Saturday March 28, 2026 @01:34PM (#47556679)
Other news, is that HEP has used FPGAs for L0 triggers (amongst others) for decades. These always had a diverse selection criteria in their algorithms, event filters, suppression, weights etc. And just mentioning, that some custom radhard simple readout silicon from the likes of STM isn't any news either.

And for historians: Delphi people (amongst others) had papers on Higgs selection using (A)NN from LEP data (overfit :) , obviously without the 5 sigma. It was an argument for LHC.

Dear downvoters/shadowbanners: do your homework.

Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by nickpsecurity on Saturday March 28, 2026 @11:48PM (#47560238)
It's a discussion forum. Saying people are all wrong with no proof comes off as arrogant but isn't helpful. If you have links to examples, you can simply say, "Here's some prior art or previous work in this area you all might like."

People would probably upvote that.

Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by andromaton on Saturday March 28, 2026 @01:52PM (#47556832)
Indeed, some examples:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12340348 Neural network spotted deep inside Samsung's Galaxy S7 silicon brain (2016)

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/831066 Towards a high performance neural branch predictor (1999)

Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by moffkalast on Saturday March 28, 2026 @07:21PM (#47558969)
I'm borderline shocked that all of this extra overhead is somehow more efficient than something as simple as computing both branches or something.
Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by ahartmetz on Sunday March 29, 2026 @04:28AM (#47561352)
The required computing resources double at every branch where you take both paths, and if you speculate ahead by 100+ instructions, with let's say up to 20 branches, it gets way out of hand.

I could see CPUs sometimes taking both paths for close, hard to predict branches. Does anyone have information on that?

Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by tyjo99 on Monday March 30, 2026 @01:12PM (#47577007)
I believe the way things are currently trending is that architectures might turn some short hard to predict branches into predicated instructions instead (similar to x86 CMOV or some ARM conditional execution instructions). Outside of short branches the overhead for loading up to 2 instructions for every 1 that gets executed can be too costly. Branch predication on SIMD/SIMT instructions is already the way things work for GPUs and AVX256/512 from my understanding.
Re:CERN uses tiny AI models burned into silicon for real-tim... by brcmthrowaway on Saturday March 28, 2026 @04:09PM (#47557776)
Perceptron? It's only linear prediction though