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Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by plagiarist on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:06PM (#46756424)
The same people saying that will also defend police wearing masks, hiding badges, and shutting off body cameras. They are not participating in discussions with the same values (truth, integrity) that you have. Logic does not work on people who believe Calvinistic predestination is the right model for society.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by JumpCrisscross on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:32PM (#46756720)
Anyone on the right who implicates Pretti for carrying a licensed firearm is a good litmus test for bad faith.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by godelski on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:41PM (#46756816)
It's amazing how quickly the party of small government, states rights, and the 2nd amendment quickly turned against all their principles. It really shows how many people care more about party than principle.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by atmavatar on Sunday January 25, 2026 @04:02PM (#46758182)
It's not that amazing. The Republican party has repeatedly demonstrated my entire life that their goal is power and all stated ideals can and will be sacrificed as needed to achieve that goal.

We get things like philandering individuals running on family values platforms, anti-gay individuals being caught performing gay sex acts in restaurant bathrooms, crowing about deficits and the national debt during Democrat administrations while cutting taxes and increasing spending during Republican administrations, blocking Supreme Court nominations because it's "too close to an election" while pushing through another Supreme Court nomination mere weeks before a subsequent election, etc.

The fuel running the Republican political machine is bad faith.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by JumpCrisscross on Sunday January 25, 2026 @02:03PM (#46757068)
> shows how many people care more about party than principle

"Trump’s net approval rating on immigration has declined by about 4 points since the day before Good’s death until today. Meanwhile, his overall approval rating has declined by 2 points and is near its second-term lows" [1].

I'd encourage anyone watching to actually pay attention to "how many people care more about party than principle." I suspect it's fewer than MAGA high command thinks.

[1] https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-losing-normies-on-immi...

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by wat10000 on Sunday January 25, 2026 @05:46PM (#46759371)
Two percent of Americans changing their opinion in the face of state sanctioned murder is not a good number.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by CuriouslyC on Sunday January 25, 2026 @09:31PM (#46761177)
The people who still support the orange troll live in an echo chamber where they've been sold the bullshit that quran waiving communist terrorists and the deep state are behind all of this, and it's a con job.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by godelski on Sunday January 25, 2026 @09:32PM (#46761188)
Multiple state sanctioned murder

Not to mention the extrajudicial killings

Not to mention the Epstein reports

I'm really not sure what people actually care about because for some reason they won't actually tell you

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by JumpCrisscross on Monday January 26, 2026 @10:57AM (#46767228)
> Two percent of Americans changing their opinion in the face of state sanctioned murder is not a good number

Two percent could swing an election. And two percent can convince another two percentage points to get angry. Never dismiss small swings out of hand.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by wat10000 on Monday January 26, 2026 @11:36AM (#46767777)
I welcome it, don't get me wrong, and every little bit helps. But the fact that we have so many people like this is still a massive problem.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by wat10000 on Sunday January 25, 2026 @05:45PM (#46759362)
They haven’t turned against their principles. Party is the principle. You’re just confused because you thought their stated principles were real.

I spent too much of the 90s listening to Rush Limbaugh and consuming other conservative media and the exact same contradictions were prominently on display then. They absolutely excoriated law enforcement for things like the Waco siege. The phrase “jack-booted thugs” got used. But when LAPD beat the shit out of Rodney King on video, suddenly police could do no wrong.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by plagiarist on Sunday January 25, 2026 @06:36PM (#46759832)
It's important to distinguish between their stated principles and their actually held principles. They are quite principled.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by godelski on Sunday January 25, 2026 @10:29PM (#46761542)
Most people understand this. We're just using fewer words because most people understand
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by iso1631 on Sunday January 25, 2026 @03:44PM (#46758004)
I assume the NRA are out in droves at a US citizen being executed for carrying a gun?
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by leptons on Sunday January 25, 2026 @04:34PM (#46758532)
I guess this is an example of FAFO? This is what the NRA wanted, now they got to find out how what happens when there are too many guns and too many idiots with guns masquerading as law enforcement. The guy had every right to have a gun, and the masked tyrants had no right to kill him for it.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by actionfromafar on Sunday January 25, 2026 @05:08PM (#46758936)
The NRA is ostensibly pro guns but they are also pro oppression.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by red-iron-pine on Monday January 26, 2026 @09:11AM (#46765833)
they are pro-money and pro-gun-industry.

ain't no left wing causes giving them $$$, just the GOP, gun industry, and occasionally the Russians

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by cthalupa on Sunday January 25, 2026 @10:05PM (#46761381)
They are not where I would hold them to if they were truly a principled organization and not largely a political tool for the far-right on any and every talking point, but we got far more out of them than we usually do.

They publicly called out a Trump appointee for saying you're not allowed to bring a gun to a protest, and have urged that there be an investigation in to what occurred.

They also then blamed it on the MN government, because for some reason CBP (250 miles from a border, and thus 150 miles away from their remit...) pretending to be police officers when they also lack a remit to do that and them then fucking things up and murdering people because of the lack of remit, lack of training, lack of screening on the hiring... is because of Walz and co.

So... better than I expected, but still pretty dogshit.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by lingrush4 on Sunday January 25, 2026 @10:56PM (#46761712)
He was killed after he instigated a fight with law enforcement and his gun went off accidentally. Unfortunate for him, but it was entirely avoidable had he simply chosen not to attack law enforcement.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by iso1631 on Monday January 26, 2026 @06:21AM (#46764319)
That's odd because I see him knelt with a gun to his head and a cell phone in his hand
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by nailer on Sunday January 25, 2026 @04:13PM (#46758301)
Police absolutely should have body cameras - quite frequently they’ve proven law enforcement officers handled things correctly where activists have tried to say otherwise.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by cthalupa on Sunday January 25, 2026 @10:11PM (#46761428)
This is true.

Yet law enforcement officers are some of the most resistant to the idea, and Trump and DHS are extremely resistant to the idea of utilizing them for ICE and CBP, and have even cut funding for it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-moved-cut-funding-ice...

When we know that the body cams are frequently used in a way that benefits the people wearing them, I find it quite telling when those people are railing against the idea and those in power actively work to block it.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by j16sdiz on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:11PM (#46756487)
Wait. Is calvinistic predestination the majority view of republicans? I thought most of them are some form of (tv) evangelism, or secularism

I am not American and genuinely curious on this.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by steveklabnik on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:34PM (#46756741)
A lot of American Christians aren't hyper committed to the specific theology of whichever flavor of Christianity they belong to, and will often sort of mix and match their own personal beliefs with what is orthodoxy.

That said, I'm ex-Catholic, so I don't feel super qualified to make a statement on the specific popularity of predestination among American evangelicals at the moment.

That said, in a less theological and more metaphorical sense, it does seem that many of them do believe in some sort of "good people" and "bad people", where the "bad people" are not particularly redeemable. It feels a little unfalsifiable though.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by gritspants on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:24PM (#46756615)
I don't believe there is any sort of conservative intellectual movement at this point. The right believes they have captured certain institutions (law enforcement, military), in the same way they believe the left has captured others (education/universities, media), and will use them to wage war against whichever group the big finger pointing men in charge tell them to.
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Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by hackyhacky on Sunday January 25, 2026 @02:01PM (#46757033)
Writing papers is not the same as being an intellectual.

The Heritage Foundation certainly publishes, but they don't have a coherent ideology.

Project 2025 is not an work of political philosophy, it's just a roadmap for seizing power at all costs.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by 2snakes on Sunday January 25, 2026 @02:21PM (#46757249)
"What are we to infer from Oakeshott's favoured 'cook' metaphor?First, that conservatism is about doing, and about understandingwhat one is doing, not about thinking in the sense of planningwhat to do.12 Second, that conservatism is unreflective to the extent that it does not deal with packages of coherent ideas abouthuman beings and their societies, but is a method of recognizingreality through experiencing it, intellectually unintelligible for nonparticipants. Third, and consequently, that it is non-transmittable,unless this be done by direct instruction in its practices. Fourth,and not least, that it is futile to conceptualize about human conduct, political or otherwise, in manners typical of Western politicalthought. Philosophy is simply 'experience without reservation orpresupposition'.13 The world of the conservative—the world ofpractice—is unsystematic and contingent, though there is withinexperience an inner, self-contained, coherent world." (Michael Freeden, Ideologies and Political Theory)

"To conclude: the law of conservative structure, and the key toidentifying the common components of its variants, consists offour central features. Two of those are substantive core concepts,though not always identified as such: (1) a resistance to change,however unavoidable, unless it is perceived as organic and natural;(2) an attempt to subordinate change to the belief that the lawsand forces guiding human behaviour have extra-human origins andtherefore cannot and ought not to be subject to human wills andwhims. Unlike other major ideologies, conservatism then intriguingly produces two underlying morphological attributes, instead of "additional substantive identifying features. One of these attributesis (3) the fashioning of relatively stable (though never inherentlypermanent) conservative beliefs and values out of reactions toprogressive ideational cores. This allows all substantive conceptsin the employ of conservatism, other than the two enumeratedabove, to become contingent. They are subjected to a complexswivel mirror-image technique, superimposed on a retrospectivediachronie justification of the current beliefs held by conservatives. In each instance, the consistent aim is to provide a securestructure of political beliefs and concepts that protects the firstcore concept of conservatism, and does so by utilizing its secondcore component. Finally (4) the process is abetted by substantiveflexibility in the deployment of decontested concepts, so as tomaximize under varying conditions the protection of that conception of change. Such flexibility of meaning permits a considerablefirmness of conservatism's fundamental structure when confrontedwith very different concrete historical and spatial circumstances.What may superficially appear to be intellectual lightweightedness or be mistaken as opportunism is rather the performance ofa crucial stabilizing function by means of the adroit manoeuvringof political concepts in positions adjacent to the ideational core.The morphological unity of conservatism is preserved by an identical grammar of response, but expressed through differentiatedlanguages of response." (Michael Freeden, Ideologies and Political Theory)

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by cthalupa on Sunday January 25, 2026 @10:08PM (#46761405)
Trying to map the current Republican party, despite calling themselves conservatives, to anything that Freeden would recognize in 98 does not seem to be particularly productive.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by alwa on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:34PM (#46756744)
Some, probably; not all (and certainly not the current president, who in his more senile moments muses about how his works have probably earned him hell [0]).

But the same observation applies to lots of other attitudes, too—like “might makes right” and “nature is red in tooth and claw” or whatever else the dark princelings evince these days. I feel like “logic matters” mainly pertains to a liberal-enlightenment political context that might be in the past now…

Does reality always find a way to assert itself in the face of illogic? Sure! But if Our Side is righteous and infallible, the bad outcomes surely must be the fault of Those Scapegoats’ malfeasance—ipso facto we should punish them harder…

https://time.com/7311354/donald-trump-heaven-hell-afterlife-...

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by ungreased0675 on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:16PM (#46756536)
No, none of that is true.

Remember, Republicans represent half the country, not some isolated sect living in small town Appalachia.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by helterskelter on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:34PM (#46756747)
> Republicans represent half the country

This statement isn't necessarily wrong because about half of elected government officials are Republican, but I want to point out that less than 60% of eligible Americans voted in 2024, so we're talking about <30% of Americans who vote Republican.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by JKCalhoun on Sunday January 25, 2026 @04:32PM (#46758514)
And honestly, with a Congress that allows every state, irrespective of population, two Senators, it is somewhat skewed. I mean San Jose, California is about double the population of the entire state of Wyoming.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by red-iron-pine on Monday January 26, 2026 @09:26AM (#46766021)
i don't know why this is downvoted, it's a legit complaint.

wyoming has ~800k people. ohio has 11 million. the greater NYC area (parts of NJ, CT, etc.) has ~22 million. california has 40 million.

and as a parent poster mentioned, just slightly 1/3 of eligible voters chose trump; if "no candidate" was a choice it may have one most states, beating out kamala and trump.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by helterskelter on Monday January 26, 2026 @01:18PM (#46769412)
I didn't downmod, but it's probably because they are represented by population in the House, a coequal chamber which approves the budget (and the Speaker of which is next in line for POTUS after the VP). States have equal representation in Senate so one high-population state can't write laws that only benefit them, or are disadvantageous to smaller states.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by tfehring on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:28PM (#46756672)
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by jfyi on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:30PM (#46756694)
>some isolated sect living in small town Appalachia.

Calvinists or Evangelicals?

I don't think that holds water either way.

Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by efnx on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:28PM (#46756671)
Republicans are overwhelmingly Christian, and even though Calvinism, or its branches, may not be the religion a majority of Republicans “exercise”, predetermination is a convenient explanation of why the world is what it is, and why no action should be taken - so it gets used a lot by right wing media, etc.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by OrvalWintermute on Sunday January 25, 2026 @02:29PM (#46757336)
Calvinistic predestination is a TULIP sense (Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and Perseverance of the saints) is an extreme minority position, like 7% to 5% of the American Church (Reformed Camp)
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by mythrwy on Sunday January 25, 2026 @01:36PM (#46756768)
It's something they say in sociology 101 at colleges in the US and some people occasionally believe it.
Re:ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data by nirav72 on Sunday January 25, 2026 @08:00PM (#46760497)
You should lookup 'Supply-side Jesus' to get a better understanding of American Christianity.