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DHH's blog post that stirred up this controversy:
> That frustration was on wide display in Tommy Robinson's march yesterday. British and English flags flying high and proud, like they would in Copenhagen on the day of a national soccer match. Which was both odd to see but also heartwarming. You can sometimes be forgiven for thinking that all of Britain is lost in self-loathing, shame, and suicidal empathy. But of course it's not.
Whether him saying that in that fashion rises to the level of "supports" is for you to decide.
If you have nothing actually relevant to Framework (as it seems) maybe you should think about the four wise monkeys.
Sometimes, silence speaks volumes.
"Does XYZ respond to loaded questions?" is nowhere near any rubric I use for evaluating anything. Only those with guilty conscience engage in this bullshit. The innocent are wise enough to ignore it.
And now fragmede would you mind telling us when you stopped curbstomping the unhomed?
It’s not about a loaded question. It’s about accountability. Framework is actively in this thread, and has made no attempt to distance itself from DHH’s statements. That’s a data point whether you like it or not. Silence isn’t proof, but it is signal when a company’s brand is directly implicated.
Framework are based in San Francisco, California, USA
Everyone who knows that abbreviation seems to have a strong opinion on the guy for some reason.
That reason is repeated elsewhere on this thread but since you're feigning ignorance I'll repeat it here. Basically he wrote some hateful racist shit that ever so barely can be interpreted as not being hateful racist shit, so the resulting controversy is "was that actually racist hateful shit?" Some of the people who read it as hateful racist shit are rich and pulled funding from various places associated with him, because they don't want to be affiliated with hateful racist shit.
I'm actually not, as I don't follow celebrities (including in tech) and find giving what they say weight silly. I was more referring to him being generally controversial and that not being a new thing.
Anyway, I took the time to at least skim that faithful blog post and what he wrote appears to be just a reflection of what a significant chunk of Danes nowadays think.
Also where I'm from it would be considered tame and I wish my country's policy was more like that of Denmark, because so far we have largely performative violence, which isn't really effective.
Personally I think Robinson's entire purpose in life is to keep himself out of jail, but he fails at that too. Not too bright a fellow, and certainly a terrible leader.
Pretty, ahem, niche opinions, to put it mildly.
Even if this is your view, it's clearly not the view of the original author so by introducing this fringe opinion you're only serving to confuse the discussion.
I personally supported MNTRE by purchasing a new Reform and will order a Reform Next, but it's not yet a substitute for anything state of the art. (I'm not sure Framework laptops are even competitive in that space either, certainly not in terms of price:perf)
If you don't care about the politics at all, then why would you even consider buying one of their laptops? There is literally zero reason. They sell overpriced, underpowered plastic hunks of shit which are an absolute pain to even buy, let alone deal with.
So if they start supporting a far-right agitator like D14HH, that bakes him into the very soul of supporting Framework. Which makes the whole thing rather dicey.
Absolute nonsense, my FW16 has been fantastic. No hardware trouble at all to speak of in my years owning it. Looks cool, works great, solid construction. Ordering was a breeze. I love everything about the experience of buying and owning this laptop.
Other people are free to ignore politics or look at counteracting viewpoints: https://felipec.wordpress.com/2025/09/23/the-ruby-community-...
> A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.
How is DHH able to determine nativity as defined by "being born and brought up" simply walking the streets of London if it has nothing to do with what you look like?
Plus he even links to a Wikipedia page about white vs non-white British population in London and uses the non-white number. If he wanted to, he could've referred to the foreign-born vs local-born numbers too but he did not.
I don't think DHH is racist, but he's so infected by the anti-woke mind virus that he's happy to parrot racist talking points to "own the libs". Whether that's any better, I'm not sure.
It seems like the author has infinite rope to extend to DHH. That's not being nice, that's being oblivious.
Unfortunately DHH is not going to be focused on the UK only. He'll lend his voice to the next rightwing ragebait without consideration of people who he works with on the daily. He had some very strong but entirely misinformed opinions about my hometown a few years ago and it was extremely annoying to read that from an ostensibly intelligent person while being in the middle of everything.
If he was some random guy, it wouldn't be such an issue but given he's the leader of a big open source project, everything he says gets a lot of publicity and frankly causes a lot of distraction for people just trying to do work on or with Rails.
You are not even trying to understand what DHH is saying.
This is the problem with modern discourse: people don't even listen. You don't care what DHH meant, all you care about is the hedges on speech you want to impose on others.
So whether it's a sponsorship on your list or not, it's much cozier than I would care to be with someone who holds these views.
This Twitter drama is so stupid. Framework did effectively nothing and all these chronically online people like yourself are diagnosing every comment anyone has ever said trying to make Framework denounce their alleged endorsement of views that never happened.
You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had.
Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology?
“I love KitKats!”
“Omg, Nestle uses slaves to farm cocoa for KitKats! Will you apologize for endorsing slavery??”
“No…because I never endorsed slavery…I just said I love KitKats.”
How about the whole "giving D14HH thousands of dollars for a useless meme distro which does exactly zero novel things"?
What is with this epidemic of willful ignorance?
>You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had.
You might be forgetting the power differential between the worker bees and the CEO/board. The latter make the decisions, the former just execute them. Would I prefer if they had carried out a strike? Yes, but I know how hard it can be to put your job on the line, especially for underpaid positions.
But if you're the CEO? Shut the fuck up. You can't buy your sixth yacht if you reject the JKR deal? Boo-fucking-hop.
> Everyone who bought a Tesla is automatically a Nazi unless they make an apologetic statement when asked about it.
Yeah, kinda. That's Musk's whole deal.
>Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology?
The whole problem is because Framework made a political statement with the donation. If they hadn't done so and just stayed away, then nobody would have ever had an issue, no matter their politics.
If you openly make a political statement, what do you think people are going to do?
Take your view on Tesla as an analogy to this:
I don’t like Teslas and I don’t like Elon but they sell so many vehicles per year that it’s a statistical impossibility for all their owners to automatically be Nazi sympathizers. The Model Y sells almost as many units as the RAV4. A whole lot of Tesla owners don’t even know who Elon Musk is. Most people are not connected to any of this stupid Twitter drama.
Framework hasn’t engaged with this guy in any way that goes beyond technology. They sponsor the rails foundation (not the distro) and maybe gave the dude a dev machine.
You call this an open political statement, but I would say it’s the opposite. And now the Framework CEO is being cornered to make a political statement when he never intended to make one in the first place.
It’s not like Framework donated to “The DHH Political Foundation for Racism.”
That level is of a private citizen, casually going to the corner store to buy a KitKat. If you're giving thousands of dollars to Nestle to hold a conference about their farming practices, I think you might consider their farming practices before giving them a pile of money to hold that conference, even if they are delicious.
They just sponsor the Rails Foundation.
GitHub sponsors them too, are you gonna boycott them until they apologize?
How many people on this forum truly believed that supporting GNU while Richard Stallman was a part of it was making an endorsement of his unsavory actions?
This toxic Twitter drama stuff involving everything being a black or white issue with no nuance is so off-putting. Everything is polarized where you’re either on one side or the other and you have to take sides.
The fact Framework hasn't done this in the face of his racist, anti-trans and ableist viewpoints is what I find objectionable.
No one sponsored rails because of DHH commenting sympathetically to a position of Tommy Robinson.
Now the whole thread is derailed. Objective achieved, good job.
What's wrong with "We didn't realise how controversial DHH was, and frankly it's none of our business. We are sponsoring his development efforts, not his political crusade."?
If you don't agree with that, quietly take your business elsewhere. I cannot fathom the entitlement on display here, for this group to believe they have the moral high ground in demanding a cessation of this funding and a public apology, while trying to organise a boycott.
Nothing you buy doesn't have a fascist and a communist somewhere in the supply chain. Whatever your politics, you are always indirectly funding your political opponents. It bears no relation to the product or service they provide. You need to learn to operate in a society full of diverse opinions rather than having a meltdown when anyone differs in perspective.
In this case, what you support is what you buy.
It seems to me like certain groups are trying to project their political agenda on to this repairable laptop maker, and then being outraged when the company is more concerned with making repairable laptops than championing their particular views.