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Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by matthewfcarlson on Saturday November 29, 2025 @04:35PM (#46091009)
Who/what is DHH?
Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by konmok on Saturday November 29, 2025 @05:06PM (#46091235)
Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by fluidcruft on Saturday November 29, 2025 @08:10PM (#46092510)
So what's the evidence Framework supports Tommy Robinson (whoever that is) or is this Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon line noise?
Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by fragmede on Saturday November 29, 2025 @08:42PM (#46092748)
https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

DHH's blog post that stirred up this controversy:

> That frustration was on wide display in Tommy Robinson's march yesterday. British and English flags flying high and proud, like they would in Copenhagen on the day of a national soccer match. Which was both odd to see but also heartwarming. You can sometimes be forgiven for thinking that all of Britain is lost in self-loathing, shame, and suicidal empathy. But of course it's not.

Whether him saying that in that fashion rises to the level of "supports" is for you to decide.

Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by fluidcruft on Saturday November 29, 2025 @08:50PM (#46092790)
I asked for evidence that Framework supports this. If you check the post it's a thread about Framework. This is line noise not even worth thinking about unless you have something showing Framework supports this.

If you have nothing actually relevant to Framework (as it seems) maybe you should think about the four wise monkeys.

Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by fragmede on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:05PM (#46092868)
Oh I misread your comment. I don't have anything. No tweets from Framework, nothing in their forum, nothing on this very thread where Framework employees are active to denounce DHH or Mr. Robinson.

Sometimes, silence speaks volumes.

Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by fluidcruft on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:19PM (#46092963)
Why do you think you are entitled to an answer to a loaded question?

"Does XYZ respond to loaded questions?" is nowhere near any rubric I use for evaluating anything. Only those with guilty conscience engage in this bullshit. The innocent are wise enough to ignore it.

And now fragmede would you mind telling us when you stopped curbstomping the unhomed?

Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by fragmede on Sunday November 30, 2025 @08:00PM (#46102216)
Last Wednesday, because it was raining.

It’s not about a loaded question. It’s about accountability. Framework is actively in this thread, and has made no attempt to distance itself from DHH’s statements. That’s a data point whether you like it or not. Silence isn’t proof, but it is signal when a company’s brand is directly implicated.

Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by fluidcruft on Sunday November 30, 2025 @10:24PM (#46103175)
Demanding accountability of someone for something you admit they have not done is particularly Kafkaesque.
Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by Lammy on Saturday November 29, 2025 @08:26PM (#46092637)
> irrelevant UK politics

Framework are based in San Francisco, California, USA

Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by Tade0 on Saturday November 29, 2025 @04:39PM (#46091035)
David Heinemeier Hansson, creator of Ruby on Rails.

Everyone who knows that abbreviation seems to have a strong opinion on the guy for some reason.

Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by fragmede on Saturday November 29, 2025 @06:40PM (#46091932)
> for some reason

That reason is repeated elsewhere on this thread but since you're feigning ignorance I'll repeat it here. Basically he wrote some hateful racist shit that ever so barely can be interpreted as not being hateful racist shit, so the resulting controversy is "was that actually racist hateful shit?" Some of the people who read it as hateful racist shit are rich and pulled funding from various places associated with him, because they don't want to be affiliated with hateful racist shit.

Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by Tade0 on Sunday November 30, 2025 @11:19AM (#46097899)
> since you're feigning ignorance

I'm actually not, as I don't follow celebrities (including in tech) and find giving what they say weight silly. I was more referring to him being generally controversial and that not being a new thing.

Anyway, I took the time to at least skim that faithful blog post and what he wrote appears to be just a reflection of what a significant chunk of Danes nowadays think.

Also where I'm from it would be considered tame and I wish my country's policy was more like that of Denmark, because so far we have largely performative violence, which isn't really effective.

Personally I think Robinson's entire purpose in life is to keep himself out of jail, but he fails at that too. Not too bright a fellow, and certainly a terrible leader.

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Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by gorgoiler on Saturday November 29, 2025 @05:22PM (#46091361)
I’m new to this story and so I read the blog post in the sibling comment and a DHH post it links to. For one, DHH’s supporting words for a provocative race troll (that guy who uses the stage name Tommy Robinson) are pretty suspect. Secondly though he allegedly repeats some statistics in a way that shows he only considers white people to be native Brits.

Pretty, ahem, niche opinions, to put it mildly.

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Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by fluidcruft on Saturday November 29, 2025 @08:03PM (#46092475)
It's sort of a silly opinion really. The British Empire spanned the globe. It's akin to being shocked to see blacks in the US.
Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by NoraCodes on Saturday November 29, 2025 @06:42PM (#46091938)
Because a lot of people who are not white are born in Britain, making them native Brits?
Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by gritten on Saturday November 29, 2025 @07:13PM (#46092139)
It's clear to me in this context that they mean "native" in the ethnic sense, not by citizenship or birthplace, similar to the usage of "Indigenous" elsewhere.
Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by NoraCodes on Sunday November 30, 2025 @06:30PM (#46101558)
There have been people of West African descent in England since the early medieval period.
Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by gritten on Sunday November 30, 2025 @08:28PM (#46102416)
So? Look, I'm aware that there has been a recent drive to erase British history with this overt (and often comically historically inaccurate) diversity agenda (see: Netflix slop and BBC docudramas), but I'm genuinely not aware of any person who would consider West Africans to be "native Brits" (in the ethnic sense of the term, of course). To a reasonable common man, it's absurd.

Even if this is your view, it's clearly not the view of the original author so by introducing this fringe opinion you're only serving to confuse the discussion.

Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by NoraCodes on Monday December 01, 2025 @09:08AM (#46107606)
How can you possibly define "native Brit" in a way that includes, say, Saxons, but excludes West Africans who immigrated in the 1200s, without simply saying "people with light skin"? Or is 1066 your cutoff? Why?
Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by tapoxi on Saturday November 29, 2025 @07:24PM (#46092214)
I was born in America but I'm not native American.
Re:Framework Computer Now Sponsoring LVFS / Fwupd Development by fragmede on Saturday November 29, 2025 @06:43PM (#46091943)
that's not the controversial part, it's the distinct overtones of "go back to India/China/etc" that comes with it.