Give it a while, everyone falls off the attractiveness escalator eventually. For some the only thing worse than being objectified is being invisible.

Overweight, unkempt, awkward around women, and guaranteed zero attention from women.

Atypical, non-standard, or unconventional are more neutral in tone, so given your desire for a non-subjective word I'd recommend these instead.

You fall into the same trap ("non-standard", "atypical"); you just stepped on the euphemism treadmill.

Of course, it's an unprovable conjecture - but it sure would explain a few things.

I mean why do people even post something like that? It takes 2 seconds to look up the definition of abnormal. It's it really not knowing, it's is it (what I believe) trying to sneak in their moral judgements behind a veneer of supposed "neutrality"?

> Abnormal - deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying.

Yes, that's precisely what it is. Moral judgements based on outdated ("conservative", especially clerical) understandings of the world, wrapped in some delusional sense of "objectivity". Only the scientifically and philosophically illiterate fall for it. In German, we call it Bauernfängerei (swizzling, duping; lit. "pawn catching").

If the topic is about whether homosexuality is non-normative and heterosexuality is normative (with the actual, common meanings of the words), we can have a philosophical discussion on that.

This is an abjectly silly thing to say, and people who push back on it are not gaslighting. Homosexuality occurs naturally and it's not even rare - it's far more common than red hair, for example.

Calling something like that "abnormal" isn't in the domain of fact, it's purely a side-effect of what you label "normal".

Homophobia arises from seeing homosexuality as a threat to your heterosexuality. The LGBT people are coming after your coveted "straight" status and try to infect you with the "gay" virus which makes it harder to attract a woman.

Basically it's the male equivalent of being "deflowered".

"It's a Wonderful Chest" from Chappelle's Show was ahead of the curve(s) on this.

> you builders, stop wolf-whistling, it's coarse. Except if you do it to me. Then I'd be really pleased ...

Attraction and romance is complicated.

I was an avid viewer of r/analog. I don't know if this was 'recent' or not, but every time someone post a naked picture, either good or not, it goes rapidly to Top posts.

Even though it used to had many comments like "This photo is not interesting other than the naked woman", the upvotes arrived anyway.

I think nowadays they mostly block the comments in those posts, but what used to be an inspiring subreddit that would pop from time to time in my feed, is not longer that interesting to me.

(I'd also love recommendations of other good photography related subreddits, if you have any!)

My first instinct is to agree with this sentiment. There’s a lot of pretty mediocre photography that gets attention because “naked woman”.

At the same time, you could equally say “that landscape photo is not interesting if you take away the lake”. If you take away the interesting piece of a photo, yeah, it’s not interesting anymore. The fact is that people (but especially men) enjoy looking at naked and near-naked women. It’s a consistently compelling subject. It might be “easy” but it’s still compelling.

But I've seen plenty of boring pics of lakes and none were on top posts, contrary to these cases.

It is of course subjective what makes a good photo or not, but sometimes it is pretty clear why a picture reached top posts.

He said nothing improves a landscape picture more than having a person in the picture. I didn't believe him.

Later, I went on a trip to Hawaii, and took maybe 300 landscape pictures of its beauty. Upon looking at them at home, I realized he was right. The ones with people in them, even random strangers, were always more interesting.

Something I do with my friends is look at Annie Liebovitz portraits and try to recreate the ones we like.

Art is judged on feelings it invokes. Naked women invoke strong feelings in a lot of people.

For e.g. there's a trend where painters post a painting of them while standing next to it. I do not subscribe to any subreddits but as some of these become popular, they pop into my homepage. 9 out of 10 of these are painted by a pretty woman.

Most woman don't run an OF of course. And wether they do or don't, anyone should be free to socialize over their hobbies on the internet, and/or present their art work for other to appreciate (and get validation with hundreds or thousands of up votes). But those on the intersection that choose to run thinly disguised ads ruin it for me :(

This stock image is roughly the level of thing I'm talking about, except even with women who are less obviously chesty:

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/two-senior-black-fe...

It feels very UNsurprising to me that nudity, or revealing photos, would get more views. There's various ways we can feel about it. But "surprised" would, erm, certainly not be one of them for me!

However, I was still surprised that extremely tame photos of slightly curvy women would get relatively large numbers of views, in a world where most people can easily find all the lewd, nude, and explicit images and videos they want.

https://www.reddit.com/r/2busty2hide/

The confusing ones in my account were sooooo much tamer though. The chests were not even remotely the focus of the photos. It was subtle enough that it took me a while to even figure out the trend.

So at least there's that.

And how would you distinguish "being sexualized" from "men finding a woman attractive" ?

(While written by a woman, it comes down decisively on the side of "hey - you don't need anybody's permission to find things sexy")

Is there an online forum like posting a URL to such photos?

But yeah.... "links shared on forums" was always my leading theory.

In some cases, I'm sure the thumbnails enticed extra clicks. But some of the pictures just had a bustier than average woman in the background or something. It's not clear to me that the thumbnails were enticing.

(99% of these people were my IRL friends as well, so I wasn't really trying to take salacious pictures....)

men with certain bodies, can't escape being tallized no matter what they do or wear

or you could just say they are tall

You also can't escape being ugly and receiving the opposite reaction as a man.

There are so many things that you can't escape that it seems pretty suspect to focus on this one in particular. The most obvious aspect of being alive is that your body is mortal. You will never be able to escape that fact. You also cannot escape chronic diseases that negatively impact your life every single day.

The idea that men and women pair up to produce new life together is one of the more wholesome aspects of life. There are plenty of insects where one of the partners dies in the process and many species that don't care for the young.