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Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by coffeebeqn on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:58PM (#46037725)
Linux is better in every conceivable way
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by Klonoar on Monday November 24, 2025 @04:18PM (#46039457)
Arguably not in security model.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by IlikeKitties on Monday November 24, 2025 @11:57PM (#46042482)
They hated him because he spoke the truth. An up to date ChromeOS is extremly secure compared to the non-existant security model of the linux desktop. Only Secureblue or QubesOS come even close.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by throwaway173738 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @01:00AM (#46042764)
You only have to give up control of the computer.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by Max_Limelihood on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @12:28PM (#46059968)
Android is open source; MacOS and Windows aren’t. This gives me more control over my computer, especially since this means LineageOS and GrapheneOS for the desktop soon.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by bryanlarsen on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:02PM (#46037781)
Both Chrome and Aluminium are Linux, so which are you trying to say is better?

Or are you saying more conventional Linux is superior? Gnu/Linux is a good term for that.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by dontlaugh on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:17PM (#46037977)
It’s not a great term, there is a small and shrinking proportion of GNU in most distros. Things like systemd or Wayland are far more important.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by bryanlarsen on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:20PM (#46038030)
Systemd is Gnu licensed.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:23PM (#46038074)
That is not how anyone uses that term. For starters, Linux is also GPL licensed, so if it was like that then we wouldn't bother calling it GNU/Linux, we could just call it GNU. More to the point though, being GPL-licensed doesn't make something part of the GNU project.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by Max_Limelihood on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @11:03PM (#46054073)
GNU/GNU
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by yjftsjthsd-h on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @01:42AM (#46054783)
I've actually used GNU/GNU to refer to HURD:)
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by fsflover on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:23PM (#46038071)
"GNU" in "GNU/Linux" isn't about the license but about the GNU OS, https://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#why
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by bigstrat2003 on Monday November 24, 2025 @08:33PM (#46041413)
When someone says "Linux" in isolation, they mean a conventional Linux distribution. Only extreme pedants and Richard Stallman call it "GNU/Linux".
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by surajrmal on Monday November 24, 2025 @10:57PM (#46042215)
I prefer to call it systems/Linux these days. The amount of gnu bits in a desktop Linux distro is ever shrinking.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pxc on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:37AM (#46046793)
> The amount of gnu bits in a desktop Linux distro is ever shrinking.

What GNU software is actually being removed from any distro?

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by Max_Limelihood on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @11:00PM (#46054059)
Ubuntu replaced their core userland utils with uutils, so the bulk of it. I’m guessing most other distros will follow suit.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pxc on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @09:42PM (#46064959)
Huh. I didn't know Ubuntu had replaced GNU coreutils. I'm not sure that alone counts as "the bulk of it", but it's definitely very significant.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by surajrmal on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @10:05AM (#46058053)
pipewire, systemd, Wayland, etc. none of that is produced or maintained by GNU.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pxc on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @09:41PM (#46064947)
ALSA, sysvinit, and Xorg weren't GNU projects, either.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by bryanlarsen on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @09:28AM (#46046041)
They didn't say Linux in isolation, they said it on a comment on a story that mentions two Linux non-conventional distributions and has no mention of conventional Linux. Therefore the presumption is that they're referring to the Linuxes in the article.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by SirFatty on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:10PM (#46037884)
This is the year of Linux on the desktop!
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by andrewinardeer on Monday November 24, 2025 @07:26PM (#46041018)
Any decade now.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pelagicAustral on Monday November 24, 2025 @08:15PM (#46041310)
two more weeks
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by danpalmer on Monday November 24, 2025 @09:55PM (#46041882)
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pjmlp on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @03:42AM (#46043707)
Nah, that is the Year of Windows Gaming, running on Proton.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by wiseowise on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @04:35AM (#46044068)
Semantics.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pjmlp on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @05:49AM (#46044585)
Those semantics hide that game studios keep using Windows workstations, developing Windows games, creating kernel drivers, targeting Windows users as customers, and it is up to Valve to make those games run on SteamOS.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by powerclue on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @11:25AM (#46047397)
Seems like you moved the goalposts pretty far... Consumers using Linux has shot up pretty dramatically this year, at least in my social circles. I count at least a dozen, non technical friends who decided to drop windows. That number has been zero a year for decades.

Game devs working in Linux is always a lagging indicator. Once there's a market share, they'll go there. Once it's the preferred os for people, you'll be able to develop on it. Games is already an incredibly risky market sector.

Instead, I encourage you to look at blender. It's gone through a "cute hobbyist/prosumer tool" phase and is now in the mega million dollar movies and games use it as their primary tool. Desktop Linux is on a similar curve thanks to Valve. If enough people start using it at home, industry will flip over.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pjmlp on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @11:49AM (#46047733)
Nope, they are still on the same spot, Proton isn't Linux gaming, is making Windows ecosystem available on Linux, because Valve has failed to provide enough value for game studios to target SteamOS natively.

Blender was a commercial product that became FOSS, with an existing customer base.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by powerclue on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @03:19PM (#46050249)
People using Linux as their desktop OS are using desktop Linux. What binaries they run on that OS doesn't change what OS they are running.

You've developed a "No true Scotsman" definition for desktop Linux that seems far from the common understanding that "if you use Linux as your OS on your desktop, you are a desktop Linux user".

If you feel your definition of purity tested "only Linux binaries or it doesn't count as a Linux desktop" is better, I'm not going to tell you you are wrong, just expect that you have a definition significantly out of the norm and will have a challenging uphill battle in getting others to adopt it.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pjmlp on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @03:32AM (#46055378)
It is called GNU/Linux for a reason.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by powerclue on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @02:08PM (#46061177)
By an extremist minority, it is, sure.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pjmlp on Saturday November 29, 2025 @06:18AM (#46086713)
A minority that does most of the work, without which you wouldn't be posting that comment from a GNU/Linux system, using a kernel compiled with GCC.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by powerclue on Saturday November 29, 2025 @10:48AM (#46088417)
Does most of the work to keep a Linux desktop developed? That's an incredible claim and needs a source. You might be able to convince me that most kernel developer impact comes from that community, but not the OS.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pjmlp on Monday November 24, 2025 @03:10PM (#46038604)
Except being able to buy GNU/Linux laptops from known brands, the same that sell Android and Chromebooks with 100% supported hardware, at FNAC, Worten, Saturn, MediaMarkt, Publico, Dixon, CoolBlue,....

It would be great, however it died alongside netbooks.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by wkat4242 on Monday November 24, 2025 @03:49PM (#46039118)
Only the first netbook came with Linux. The Asus EEEPC 701. This was mainly because it was so underpowered it couldn't run windows (and some nonresizable dialogue boxes didn't even fit on screen). But they dropped it with later models.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pjmlp on Monday November 24, 2025 @04:35PM (#46039649)
As owner of an Asus 1215B, that lasted from 2009 until last year, having gotten disk and memory upgrades during its lifetime, going through all Ubuntu LTS upgrades, bought with it pre-installed, that is certainly not true.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by wkat4242 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @06:10AM (#46044702)
Ah ok, here they were all windows in the shops after the first one.

I can imagine also because Asus' distro was pretty terrible, it probably gave some backlash against Linux. I think the only reason they made it was to make it work on that tiny screen.

I spent ages at the time trying to make macOS work. I had it booting but due to the CPU being below 1 Ghz the timing screwed up and timing related actions happened in slow motion (this was a timing divider issue not sure to the slowness itself). I even messed with the kernel code trying to get it to work.

On a later Acer netbook I got it running perfectly though.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by laidoffamazon on Monday November 24, 2025 @08:22PM (#46041346)
The 701 did run XP, even came pre installed with it on some models in later 2007!
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pjmlp on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @01:40AM (#46042977)
That was part of Microsoft's move that eventually killed netbooks, turns out when OEMs don't need to pay for licenses, they go Windows.

It was rather limited though, in the amount of applications running simultaneously, around four if not mistaken, without going into press archeology.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by wkat4242 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @06:11AM (#46044707)
Really? Also something I didn't see where I lived. But XP was really bad on it because the screen didn't fit many fixed-size windows.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pbmonster on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @03:55AM (#46043805)
I can conceive a couple of ways.

GrapheneOS-style sand-boxing for every app is long overdue in Linux. I'd love to have it's granular permissions for every single service. I'd love to have the battery management, the unified settings UI, the effortless disk encryption UX and key management.

Could you build it with SE Linux and a lot of glue? Yes, but nobody has. And doing it well, everywhere, would take a lot of hours.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by dlt713705 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @05:07AM (#46044308)
> the unified settings UI

You will never have a UI capable of encompassing all the settings available in Linux. You will only have a UI capable of configuring your desktop experience, which is just a small subset of the full Linux experience.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pbmonster on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @05:29AM (#46044464)
Is it unreasonable to ask "why not"? I like the state of Android's (as packaged by GrapheneOS) settings UI much better than any other settings system, period.

It's all in one place - I can't think of a single thing I would want to configure that isn't found in that one dialog. It doesn't always make sense, but it's searchable, and the search works.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by rs186 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @07:55AM (#46045331)
Just imagine configuring nginx or apache with UI.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by snarfy on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @08:52AM (#46045773)
The good old days of

    make menuconfig
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pbmonster on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @09:21AM (#46045990)
Come on, we're talking about system settings on future ChromeBooks. Of course I don't want a GUI for writing nginx config files.

Android is very good at exposing things like

* "which service may know the device location?"

* "which app accessed the microphone 2 minutes ago?"

* "which apps burn the most battery?"

All of those make sense on ChormeBooks, and all of those are difficult with Linux.

Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by rs186 on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @07:34AM (#46056804)
The point is that many of Linux's system settings are almost as complex as that. You want some examples?
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by kangs on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:38AM (#46046807)
just run bazzite already
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pabs3 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @09:28PM (#46053538)
Take a look at QubesOS.
Re:Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC by pbmonster on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @07:21AM (#46056720)
For Linux on x86, it's by far best in class.

Unfortunately, not even close to being as comfortable to use as GrapheneOS, and still significantly less secure than it - even if we completely disregard the sad situation of hardware security on x86 (but can't blame QubesOS for that one).