ICE indiscriminately rounds up citizens, visa holders, illegal immigrants, legal immigrants.

It does not matter.

They even got the Supreme Court to affirm that the palette of your skin is a fine indicator of whether or not you spend the next couple of months in a cell for processing.

I am glad you possess the certainty that the leopards will never eat your face!

Indiscriminately is a loaded term. There is always some reasonable suspicion. Usually law enforcement always knows which pockets of a city, neighborhood have more illegal activity and can act based on that prior information.

It is well documented they have detained people who are here legally.

Citizens who showed them a photo "Real ID"!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-d...

He was interfering with the arrest, recording video etc. At least he didn’t get assassinated for exercising his first amendment rights like Charlie.

Your comment doesn't preclude the comment you're replying to being true.

I'm a white country boy hick US citizen that was jailed by CBP on made up totalitarian bullshit that was completely false. No access to lawyer, shuttled around the state in a prisoner van, etc. No apologies, just unceremoniously dumped back out when no evidence found.

It can happen to you, it can happen to anybody.

Please explain why that justifies this murder.

This is a thread about a murder, and you seem to be trying to make it be about something more convenient

I am not advocating for murder, this seems like a straw man

Quit it with the fear mongering

If this white Canadian woman traveling to California can be jailed for two weeks, then it can absolutely happen to anyone: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...

As a Canadian, I'm refusing to travel to the US right now, despite working remotely for a US-based company.

It's not fear mongering, it's real. But my motivation isn't even just fear; staying home or choosing to travel elsewhere (Europe, Asia, Mexico) is standing with my countrymen against a regime that doesn't respect our sovereignty or even its own laws.

It can be argued that a lot of this is falling into the slippery slope fallacy.

Also the media doesn’t always report the full story. Often the people arrested have some small/medium offense from years ago.

Unlikely to happen to legal immigrants.

Nonetheless, I will continue to choose to spend my travel dollars elsewhere until the US administration is crystal clear that Canada is a sovereign country, due process is a thing, and vanning people off of street corners (regardless of their skin colour or immigration status) is not the way.

Many of them have a small offense that would justify them being turned away from the border, but not an offense that justifies detention.

That’s fair. And if they can be turned away from the border, then they can be deported too.

That sounds like US immigration has always been, during the GW Bush and Obama and Biden administrations.

The argument is not in favor of illegal immigration, it’s in favor of allowing people to go before a judge before they are deported. Because otherwise you can take literally anyone off the street and deport them to a gulag in El Salvador, and we may as well not bother with society.

But this “right to go before a judge” can be misused because of how long the process can take. All immigrants are required by law to be able to prove their legal status, so the right to due process, fair trial etc becomes complicated if one is here illegally

Due process can not be misused. It is our most fundamental right.

Without the guarantee of due process for everyone, all other rights are an illusion because those in power can violate them at will.

You are correct. I reread how due process is supposed to work and the fifth and fourteenth amendments clearly say that it applies to “persons” and not just citizens or legal immigrants or anything like that. The requirements are more relaxed for immigration courts though e.g you have to pay for your own lawyer etc

As of yesterday ICE did arrest a couple of Koreans on a valid visa. Look it up.

Is pointing out irony and hypocrisy "excusing evil"?

But the person didn’t point out hypocrisy. Charlie would rather some amount of unnecessary gun violence in exchange for having the population be able to defend themselves.

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