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Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by giggyhack on Saturday September 06, 2025 @05:16PM (#45152912)
I have been following this company and several others (Quaise, Fervo, Sage) in the EGS Space for a little bit now, and I think we are on the cusp of a huge breakthrough in baseload renewable energy. This site in Utah is one of the largest test cases that expands the use of EGS to a much broader area than just a few geothermal hot spots. Prices are dropping dramatically, and these things are moving quickly beyond the R&D phase. There is a world where every major data center across the Western US has its own base load power supply that has essentially no pollution, no footprint, no hazardous waste, and no need for complicated permitting. EGS truly could be a game changer in the world's push to decarbonize. I'm super excited.
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by amarcheschi on Saturday September 06, 2025 @05:59PM (#45153260)
At least in Tuscany - where there is a cluster of geothermal power plants creating 1/3 of the region electricity (it should reach 40% in a few years) - they had to invent special filters to lower the emission of mercury and hydrogen sulfide https://www.enelgreenpower.com/stories/articles/2024/10/geot...

I don't know if it's "no footprint" at all. For what I know, which is not much, but just what a person living here might know, there's a footprint that can be somehow managed. But I'm not an engineer

Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by sarchertech on Saturday September 06, 2025 @08:02PM (#45154009)
The plants mentioned in the article are closed systems. They aren’t releasing steam into the atmosphere like the plants you’re referencing.
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by lostlogin on Saturday September 06, 2025 @09:46PM (#45154624)
I wish New Zealand did more of this.

We have a whole fleet of geothermal plants (15ish), making about 20% of our power. However the largest plant is only 160MW.

The impact in comparison to our other renewables seems fairly minimal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power_in_New_Zealan...

Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by skipants on Saturday September 06, 2025 @05:35PM (#45153074)
> no pollution, no footprint, no hazardous waste

As a layman, I assume waste heat would still be an issue? Even so I would also assume it's still way less damaging to the environment than everything else.

Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by aDyslecticCrow on Saturday September 06, 2025 @05:59PM (#45153263)
I'm not quite sure about that. The earths core should generate the same amount of heat (through gravitational friction and radioactive decay) regardless if we tap it or not. If the heat didn't escape somehow already it would slowly get hotter.

Whaste heat from nuclear or fusion does contribute to earth heating, though insignificant compared to any source pf c02.

But my intuition tells me geothermal wouldn't...

Mm. Actually, water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas; and that's how to covert heat to energy. So mabie it would indeed be significant.

Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by metadat on Saturday September 06, 2025 @06:08PM (#45153320)
TFA states the Cape Station plant (created and operated by a company called Fervo) are closed systems - they capture the emissions so no water is wasted or spewed into the environment as steam.

They deserve big props for this innovation and effort, as historically Utah has frequently been been treated as an industrial dumping grounds. The long-term ecological damage and visual eyesores due to strip mining, chemical dumping and other pollution is significant.

Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by skipants on Saturday September 06, 2025 @06:22PM (#45153440)
Well, that's just neat!
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by bell-cot on Saturday September 06, 2025 @06:22PM (#45153438)
Oh, yes. Especially if you don't have a generous supply of fresh water, to use in your cooling towers. For example:

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/02/f7/geotherma...

Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by ACCount37 on Saturday September 06, 2025 @08:34PM (#45154206)
Waste heat is always "an issue", but rarely an issue worth caring much about.

Global warming isn't happening due to industrial waste heat - it's happening due to CO2 emissions being a massive leverage for messing with how the planet absorbs and emits heat.

Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by thayne on Saturday September 06, 2025 @09:58PM (#45154697)
Although, the more greenhouse gases there are, the worse waste heat is.
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by rplnt on Saturday September 06, 2025 @05:39PM (#45153105)
Complicated permitting as compared to what? I would assume it's much more complicated than solar, and less complicated than... is there anything else available at small scale?
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by loeg on Saturday September 06, 2025 @05:54PM (#45153224)
Nuclear is the comparable power source -- both have high upfront costs, long build times, low operating costs and clean generation. If deep geothermal can come in cheaper than nuclear, there's basically no reason to do nuclear.
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by lazide on Saturday September 06, 2025 @05:59PM (#45153256)
Shallower geothermal has a history of causing damaging earthquakes in some geologies.
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by aDyslecticCrow on Saturday September 06, 2025 @06:05PM (#45153297)
Some versions of deep geothermal does also borrow from the fracking industry which has issues with groundwater pollution.
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by jandrewrogers on Saturday September 06, 2025 @06:13PM (#45153367)
Not really an issue in the US at least. Their primary geothermal basins already have earthquakes far stronger than any that might be triggered by fluid injection. They also have earthquake swarms due to natural circulation of geothermal fluids in some of these areas.

It is mostly an issue in places like Europe that do not have a history of strong earthquakes and therefore lack seismic resistance civil engineering. There are a few places like that in the US (e.g. New England) where a minor M5 earthquake can cause damage but those don't overlap with areas with high geothermal potential.

Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by loeg on Saturday September 06, 2025 @09:18PM (#45154433)
The deep geothermal people seem to think it can be used ~anywhere, not just traditional geothermal basins.
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by jandrewrogers on Saturday September 06, 2025 @10:11PM (#45154749)
For sure! I’ve been following this tech for decades. The advantage of high-quality geothermal basins is maximizing the ROI and efficiency of the first installations, which places the product in the best possible light for marketing purposes. It also provides a comparison against more conventional geothermal power generation which is deployed in the same environment.
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by foobarian on Saturday September 06, 2025 @05:41PM (#45153128)
coal or gas i would guess
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by loeg on Saturday September 06, 2025 @05:58PM (#45153253)
Nah. Gas isn't comparable and no one in the US is building new coal generation.
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by actionfromafar on Saturday September 06, 2025 @07:53PM (#45153964)
Aren’t we getting ”clean beautiful coal”?
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by lostlogin on Saturday September 06, 2025 @09:42PM (#45154597)
The downvotes are presumable because you have misquoted him.

He said ‘BEAUTIFUL, CLEAN COAL’

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1141801993510...

Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by gpm on Saturday September 06, 2025 @08:48PM (#45154284)
There's some small wind generation (e.g. designed to go on top of buildings), though I don't think it's ever been a significant commercial success.
Re:Utah's hottest new power source is 15k feet below the ground by matthewdgreen on Sunday September 07, 2025 @03:04PM (#45161177)
I understand the problem to be energy RoI. The larger the size of a wind turbine’s blade, the more energy it produces compared to the cost of producing it. Small wind systems just can’t avail themselves of these economies of scale.