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Re: by almostbasic on Friday August 15, 2025 @12:44PM (#44914581)
It really makes you wonder what other weapons they have that we don't know about.
Re: by Qem on Friday August 15, 2025 @03:23PM (#44916452)
There was claims of a possible cancer "gun". See https://www.ibtimes.com/hugo-chavez-says-us-could-be-giving-...
Re: by dmix on Friday August 15, 2025 @03:34PM (#44916541)
There's a very silly article. The basis is old people in Latin America getting cancer and a paranoid dictator blaming the US.
Re: by krapp on Friday August 15, 2025 @03:52PM (#44916671)
Given the already verifiable history of the CIA in Latin America, I'd give any paranoid dictator the benefit of the doubt.
Re: by dyauspitr on Friday August 15, 2025 @04:51PM (#44917104)
That can’t even be that hard. Some sort of directed radiation beam will do that easily.
Re: by nradov on Friday August 15, 2025 @05:36PM (#44917532)
You should talk to a radiation oncologist. It is extremely hard to target a person with directed ionizing radiation at any distance in a way that would significantly increase the risk of cancer without causing very obvious surface effects.
Re: by ilamont on Friday August 15, 2025 @05:54PM (#44917684)
Are there other ways to induce cancer?

It's a remarkable coincidence that Hugo Chavez and Kim Jong Il died very young within two years of each other (2011 and 2013). Yes, the level of medical care in Venezuela and North Korea is poor, but these were dictators who had access to the best doctors in their own countries as well as imported experts from China, Cuba, etc.

Re: by lenerdenator on Friday August 15, 2025 @06:25PM (#44917986)
Or maybe it's just two older dudes dying of cancer. Happens literally all the time.
Re: by nradov on Friday August 15, 2025 @06:08PM (#44917811)
Paranoid people find all sorts of coincidences in random events.
Re: by throwup238 on Friday August 15, 2025 @09:06PM (#44919063)
Injecting undifferentiated stem cells is pretty effective at causing cancer.
Re: by lisbbb on Friday August 15, 2025 @09:44PM (#44919318)
mRNA gene therapy seems to have caused a large spike in cancers, too. I guess we're not allowed to bring that up anymore? My wife, at age 49, got a very rare cancer in 2024, I'm deeply suspicious about how that came about. I think the gene therapy, uh, "vaccines" suppress the immune system, in other words, while making antibodies for the intended virus, the immune system was distracted from other things like producing killer T-cells that prevent cancers from even starting. It's just a theory, of course I have no evidence. Just more people "died suddenly" from this and that oddity. My wife is still with us, but is not doing all that great, so it's kind of a living hell.
Re: by eth0up on Friday August 15, 2025 @08:23PM (#44918775)
I'll gladly jump into the gray with you. Or hopefully that changes.

My dear old friend, now on the yonder side, showed me research that showed the intravenous injection of nothing more than mineral oil consistently causing a form of cancer that I can't remember the type for.

He had a low level position in the NSA via the Navy prior and was persistently interesting, to me. Foremost an exceptionally fine person who I sorely miss. I remember him being fervently berated by a few intellectual (IT inclined) adversaries for attempting to explain more than a few things that came out in the Snowden docs almost a decade later.

Personally, I've no doubt cancer can be quickly, efficiently induced, albeit probably not with a mineral oil squirtgun. I've heard of things I wouldn't discuss here.

I've always wondered why we've not experienced the evil terrorist version of David Hahn, say from a guy in a major food production facility. The bright side of surveillance I guess.

I may be a worthless, irrelevant moron, but I think for anyone with a bit of intelligence and a big imagination, the world is a very frightening place in this regard. I try not to think of it, but many scenarios have occurred to me and I'm often surprised, quite pleasantly so, that so far as I know, only to me, for now, and indefinitely I hope.

Re: by gosub100 on Friday August 15, 2025 @06:09PM (#44917829)
In a purely technical ponderance, I wonder if it's possible to design a stun gun that would inflict death by either increasing the current and voltage, or if a specific signal could be sent to the heart that would induce an arrhythmia. Basically the opposite of a defibrillator. A biotech maintenance guy told me that if you receive a shock when your heart is in a critical phase of the complex, it can cause it to shut off. Maybe a heart attack stun gun could attempt to read the cardiac waves and deliver the shock at the worst possible point.

(I have to emphasize that no homicidal motive drew me towards wondering that. It's just the borderless free thought that causes random ideas to float through my mind. If I can think of it, certainly the people who design covert weapons also have)

Re: by Melatonic on Friday August 15, 2025 @08:17PM (#44918733)
Defibs dont actually work like the movies - once a persons heart has truly stopped you need to provide proper CPR.

Defib is for patients with hearts that are beating incorrectly - and now are mostly automated.

Heart stopped and zapped with electricity makes for better movies though!

Re: by RajT88 on Friday August 15, 2025 @06:35PM (#44918078)
Totally possible. This is why stun guns and tasers are referred to as "less lethal" by some instead of non-lethal. Lots of electricity will occasionally stop someone's heart, and they die.
Re: by duffel_bag on Friday August 15, 2025 @07:17PM (#44918370)
Was he referring to commotio cordis? There's a window of tens of milliseconds where a blow to the chest can cause sudden cardiac death, due to the ventricular rhythm being disrupted rather than any mechanical damage to the heart.
Re: by thejazzman on Friday August 15, 2025 @06:35PM (#44918077)
i have no idea if this is possible, but i have to point out that really smart people pondering out loud is heard/read by many people who may have much sinister intentions than the nerd simply pondering out loud.

1984 has become a playbook. be careful what ideas you share. the public internet is not a casual conversation among friends.

Re: by cryptonector on Friday August 15, 2025 @10:36PM (#44919636)
For sure, though those really sinister people in high places tend to be extremely smart too. By the time the public develops some technology that could be of great interest to those people, those people have likely already developed something along those lines.

To give an obvious example (not necessarily involving sinister people): the NSA invented public key cryptography long before Diffie and Hellman.

Re: by zeroCoolMD on Friday August 15, 2025 @10:47PM (#44919681)
Probably referring to R-on-T phenomenon or unsynced shocks delivered during cardioversion. Can send you into ventricular arrhythmia.
Re: by culi on Friday August 15, 2025 @06:11PM (#44917852)
Almost certainly, Havana Syndrome. Caused by a (microwave-, possibly) weapon that can lead to permanent neurological symptoms. And the US is not the only country that has it but is expanding a lot of energy into making the media talk about it less. CHUPPL did a great investigation on it if you're interested

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqE0ltifQ2M

Re: by gruez on Friday August 15, 2025 @10:42PM (#44919656)
Your linked article admits it might not even be real.

>A 2023 review article written by Bartholomew and Baloh concluded that Havana syndrome was erroneously classified as a novel entity due to a moral panic based on the fear of foreign entities such as the Russians or Cubans attacking the U.S, the over-interpretation of data, misconceptions about psychogenic illness, and coverage and leaks by the media. The authors stated that the U.S. intelligence community had concluded that Havana syndrome is "a socially constructed catch-all category for an array of pre-existing health conditions, responses to environmental factors, and stress reactions that were lumped under a single label".[8][9]

>A 2024 review article by Connolly et al., surveying multiple peer-reviewed studies, concluded that the cause of AHIs is still unknown. The review discussed several possible causes, including mass psychogenic illness and head trauma, but did not endorse a specific cause.[6]

Re: by DoctorOW on Saturday August 16, 2025 @08:27AM (#44922692)
> Your linked article admits it might not even be real.

There's no evidence of anything "we don't know about". In the same way there's no pictures of things never photographed.

Re: by culi on Sunday August 17, 2025 @02:38PM (#44933825)
That "linked article" is Wikipedia. The second link is an actual investigation which goes into good detail debunking and investigating the source behind claims that it's a social psychogenic illness
Re: by rurban on Sunday August 17, 2025 @02:30AM (#44929385)
Those microwave attacks by spies are known since at least the sixties if you care to read some CIA leaker books. What's new is that those attacks became public, even if they didn't name and shame the attackers yet, if Chinese or Russians.
Re: by juniperus on Saturday August 16, 2025 @04:53AM (#44921530)
There are weapons that can permanently paralyze an entire city. Not paralyze infrastructure or traffic... but permanent incurable paralysis of all the people in any area exposed to the weapon. That is still a 20th century technology.
Re: by vopi on Saturday August 16, 2025 @06:31AM (#44922000)
Mind sharing some links? Curious what you are talking about.
Re: by southernplaces7 on Saturday August 16, 2025 @11:35AM (#44924343)
That's a hell of a claim, and unless you're talking about some kind of chemical spray or seeding some weaponized microbe across the city, you could at least post a link or name that explains what it is.
Re: by aeve890 on Saturday August 16, 2025 @03:31PM (#44926288)
Of course there are. I learned about that reading the works of Milo Rambaldi.