> disable Hamas (who embeds amongst civilians)

Hamas recruits among civilians. Radicalized civilians. And Israel has just radicalized even more Palestinians, creating even better recruiting ground for Hamas.

Israel has supported Hamas because it's a very convenient enemy for them. Hamas wants to wipe Israel from the map, and to Israel, that means a powerful Hamas controlling Palestine justifies their wiping Palestine off the map.

During the 1980s, when the PLO was the dominant force in Palestine and wanted a two-state solution, Israel supported the much less influential Hamas in order to undermine PLO's position. And I think in 2017, Israel asked Qatar to support Hamas.

Note that the Netanyahu government only goes after the people on the ground, not the leadership abroad. And they clearly have no problem killing and radicalizing more Palestinian civilians.

I kinda miss those secular Palestinian militants...

Palestinians are taught from kindergarten to hate Jews (now labeled Zionists) with textbooks and TV shows paid by EU money. They couldn't possible hate Israelis more if they wanted to.

When Hamas brought cars with naked and unconscious/dead Israeli women back into Gaza, mobs of cheering Palestinians formed to spit on the women and hit them with their shoes.

That is how they behaved before the Israeli response has a chance to radicalize them. There's nothing Israel can do to radicalize them further, it can only use force to contain them.

> before the Israeli response has a chance to radicalize them

You… you think that was the start of the process?

This is exactly what's happening and I wish people would say it more often. Plenty of reporting showed the IDF had indication oct 7 attacks were about to happen and warnings were ignored.

> During the 1980s, when the PLO was the dominant force in Palestine and wanted a two-state solution, Israel supported the much less influential Hamas in order to undermine PLO's position. And I think in 2017, Israel asked Qatar to support Hamas

You have got that the other way around. Hamas was founded in 1987 during the Intifada, before the PLO started supporting a two state solution in 1988. The reason the PLO made that shift was that it was in exile and a new leadership in Palestine was formed (including Hamas), and they were afraid they will lose relevancy.

In 1987 and going forward Hamas fought Israel, so claiming Israel supported it is paradoxical.

Qatari money was transferred to Hamas prior to any Israeli involvement as early as 2007, sometimes in cash through the tunnels.

In 2017 the Palestinian Authority refused to transfer taxes collected to the Hamas Gaza government or pay Israel for Gaza's electricity, leading to an economical downturn in Gaza.

Because of the pending humanitarian crisis that would probably end in starvation due to Gaza less than stellar economy, whose blame would be put on Israel as is accustomed, Qatar was used as a lesser evil solution. It allowed Israel not to directly fund the Hamas government, which except for its military wing, is also its schools, hospitals, municipal and all other civilians functions.

The narrative you are repeating also repeats itself as Israel created Hezbollah or even as far as the US created ISIS, 9/11 was an inside job etc

The source of this narrative in my opinion is the old racist imperialist narrative where the so-called natives are merely children incapable of agency. Here in the post colonialist sense, if there is any evil actor around, its actions or mere existence must quickly be attributed to the West/Israel, or else cognitive dissonance abounds

Let’s not forget that Benjamin Netanyahu even said once (that I know of from a recording) that the best thing for Israel is a strong Hamas.

I would really want to see that. Do you have a link?

Found it! For reference, I originally heard this in the Some More News episodes about “Uncomplicating the complicated situation in the West Bank”, but I can’t find those episodes at the moment.

> As far back as December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...

Thanks! I now understand the context.

Israel under scharon has given gaza back including the settlements and got for that 700 civilians who followed the hamas members to murder, rape and kill children on the 7th October. Fuck all those fanatics ..

> Note that the Netanyahu government only goes after the people on the ground, not the leadership abroad.

Israel says it killed Iran's military co-ordinator with Hamas - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn9yxrxwzzzo

“Head of the dragon” what’s that supposed to mean? Reminds me of language used by Israel citizens and government to describe the regime without pointing to hard facts. As far as I can see there’s many aggressors in that area. Israel is a main one.

You’re going to be brow beaten and down voted but you’re speaking the truth.

What other country is attacking or has attacked its neighbors as Israel has? What other country has been executing a live-streamed genocide that you can see the outcomes of on Instagram?

Just yesterday I saw a video of a mother comforting her infant whose leg was blown off by Israeli bombs. And yet these religious fanatics are the ones we call our “allies”.

> What other country is attacking or has attacked its neighbors as Israel has?

This statement is so laughably ignorant of the modern history of the Middle East that I cannot believe it is not satire.

Oh my bad, as a person born and raised in the Middle East, I should’ve known my poor intellect could never match yours.

How many countries has Israel attacked in last year alone?

are you seriously trying to bring up killed civilians while Israel has been committing a genocide against the Palestinian people? Man you are OBTUSE

I’m not even going to bring up the thousands of Palestinians Israel has arrested and kept in prison for the crime of being Palestinian…

Edit: oh your Israeli rofl that checks out

You asked a question with an easily googleable answer. There's the Iran-Iraq War and the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, just off top of my head. Plus countless civil wars, many orchestrated and funded by Iran. And that's just since I've been watching the news; there were many more wars before.

Iraq invaded Iran - that wasn't a war of Iranian aggression. Or is your point just that Saddam Hussein's Iraq was just as bad as Israel, so Israel is OK somehow?

No, my question was how many countries has Israel attacked in the last year. I know this might be outside your wheelhouse as a former CTO for some random porn company but I have faith you can use google

Your question, which I will once again quote directly:

> What other country is attacking or has attacked its neighbors as Israel has?

This person is blinded by hate and brings absolutely no facts or desire for understadning.

Israel has pro-actively invaded one country ever (Egypt because the 6 day war was coming). Spinning Israel as a colonist is historically crazy as theyve ceded more land than theyve picked up.

Tell me more about the land they've ceded and where they got it from...

Youre just picking a random rung on the ladder and calling it the start. Where did your team get it from? Why was it not OK that two groups share the land given they both had occupied at a previous point in history?

What is Israel doing in Syria and Lebanon if not an invasion?

More like blinded by the corpses of slain children I’ve seen pile up through genocide but you do you I guess.

Israel was invaded simultaneously by all of its neighbors more than once in the last 80 years.

HN seems to be pretty full of that. Really bad.

lol. Embeds among civilians? Like the IDF does, with military underground bases? Disable Hamas via genocide? By destroying every hospital in Gaza? By raping Palestinian women & girls? By looting their homes? By bombing and starving them?

Exactly who is the Dragon here? You think Israel’s bloodlust is done with Iran? They want much more Territory across the Middle East. They are occupying parts of Cypress right now, And have craving for parts of Egypt and more.

Why not mention the events of the previous half century? Just admit you were born yesterday and go study history so we can at least have an honest conversation.

we can, but it will only make your side look even worse.

...and this doesn't really take away from the fact that Hamas bombs hospitals and murders innocent people as their main goal.

Buddy most of the world is very sympathetic to the Jewish plight.

What we cannot tolerate anymore is the violence of the Israeli state. It has become the monster.

I really don't think you want to go down the "bombs hospitals and murders innocent people as their main goal" road if you're ride or die for Israel

Netanyahu’s actions endanger Jews. The rest of the world sees this for what it is. No one believes you. Disgusting.

The Mossad literally trained Iran's elite torture units for them, in collaboration with the CIA: https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/legal-and-political-mag...

When I’m in a bomb hospitals and murder civilians contest, but my competition is Israel

Good idea. But maybe start a few hundred years before half a century ago.

I thought this was about nuclear bombs. /s

Territory?! What the hell are you talking about?! They offered to retain a tiny portion of territory some decades ago, and that was rejected. You can say whatever you want, but this is not about land. That is ignorance. Sorry.

Israel has already this year claimed a chunk of Syria, and has destroyed over 100,000 (!!!) homes in Lebanon with the clear intention of taking that land too.

Could you please give a source for that information? I mean what chunk of Syria, and how was the claim done?

Sure, here's stories from the Guardian in March, and Al Jazeera from last December: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/12/israel-to-occu..., https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/qatar-saudi-arabia-...

And here's HRW and France regarding Lebanon - Israel even destroyed the fields: https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/02/17/lebanon-destruction-of-i..., https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250218-returning-leb...

But they don't claim that territory is now Israel, do they?

Multiple Israeli ministers have publicly made the claim. But no, for now they are only saying that they will stay there for as long as they want. I'm sure destroying all those homes has nothing to do with it either...

Ok. I just misunderstood several comments, which say it is about gaining territory. And I see no evidence to support that. There are military operations, occupations, but nothing really solid that show intention of taking territory for later civilian use, or anex to Israel. Those are very different things. E.g. Russia is invading with a clear goal of annexing land; but Israel not ao much.

I am not saying is good or bad, just that the goal seems different here.

What is the difference between chasing an imagined "Hamas" among the civilians and just starving and killing civilians?

> chasing an imagined "Hamas" among the civilians

what do you mean by this? that there is no Hamas, or that they aren't embedded amongst civilians, or something else?

Netanyahu funded Hamas to undermine the Palestinian Authority. Mossad funded ISIS. Your lying is tiresome. Stop war mongering & pleading with the US to fight the wars you start. Stop murdering and bombing every nation around you. Stop stealing US tax dollars to fund your regime.

that what israel is targeting is unrelated to hamas being at some point embedded amongst civilians, or whether they exist at all.

israel is instead making up its own hamas, and then bombing the food aid to target the civilians.

Israel is clearly capable of targeted attacks, like hitting one bedroom in a large apartment building in Iran. Yet they continue to use block sized bombs in Gaza.

They released footage of Hamas leaders being assassinated by drones to prove that Hamas really does exist. But they gotta bomb those hospitals to be extra sure.

Where is Hamas? How come I see Ukraine vs Russia combat footage every single day but only dead children out of Palestine? Where’s the IDF/Hamas combat footage? It’s because the IDF is just bombing kids.

There is no Hamas and if there is there’s barely any

By the phrasing of the question I dare say you are not well equipped to understand the answer.

Let's rephrase it then: Why aren't journalists allowed to corroborate facts on the ground and even are murdered by Israel on a regular basis, while Israel is allowed to genocide an entire population away?

I'm sorry, I couldn't detect an answer there. Are there any statements you would like to debate?

comments like this add negative value to the discussion. it shows complete refusal to engage on a professional level. If you can't articulate your thoughts or disagree with someone without taunting them, why do you comment at all?