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Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by moralestapia on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:00AM (#44221530)
Ooof ... I thought they were doing way better.

People truly don't gaf about anything as long as they're getting something for free. Sad.

I assume this is paying users, if this is total MAU ... damn.

PS. I do not mean Kagi is a bad product. I think they're great, actually. I'm just complaining about how poor the reception has been.

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by hotmeals on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:21AM (#44221632)
"Only" 50K paying customers, in a market where all the oligopolistic incumbents have been offering the product for free for more than 20 years. Of course that's sad for the average SV-type that is thinking about hypergrowth (a.k.a buying users with the equivalent of CC debt).
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sshine on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:03AM (#44221545)
This is paying users.

And what matters to me is: that it’s enough to keep going, securing the service, and that the number is steadily increasing.

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by dymk on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:05AM (#44221554)
Will it ever be sustainable? It’s not enough that the number goes up, it has to go up fast enough to pay the cost of doing business.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sshine on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:09AM (#44221578)
Yes, they were profitable before they reached 40k paying users. And as another commenter said: I don’t care how big they are, as long as they’re sustainable, they’re extremely useful to me.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by moralestapia on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:06AM (#44221561)
>that it’s enough to keep going

How do you know?

My napkin math says they're in red numbers, but let's see yours! :)

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sjs382 on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:11AM (#44221583)
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sshine on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:11AM (#44221586)
https://nicolaiarocci.com/kagi-is-profitable/

They reached profitability one year ago, two years into their existence. It’s a cool company.

Edit: Corrected from two years to one year

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by moralestapia on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:17AM (#44221608)
Huh?

~Buddy, we are still in 2025 ...~ (removed, parent comment corrected)

If they were profitable then why did they raise money again?

>inb4, to expand their business

If that's the reason, where is this expansion? Their growth curve looks exactly the same since they started ...

IMO they invested a lot of money into their AI efforts, so maybe they raised for R&D?

I want them to do well, it's just that I thought they already had a much larger market share.

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sshine on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:31AM (#44221659)
> where is this expansion?

They hired a technical architect and an email engineer, so the biggest expansion is clearly into email hosting. But I imagine that AI R&D continues. I hope they consider more agentic extensions than search.

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by UberFly on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:45AM (#44221705)
Lets see your napkin math.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by Aurornis on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:15AM (#44221601)
> People truly don't gaf about anything as long as they're getting something for free. Sad.

I think Kagi is great. I also understand why most people don’t need Kagi. It’s not hard to see why most people aren’t interested in yet another monthly payment on top of all the other things we’re asked to pay for right now.

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sshine on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:26AM (#44221643)
It’s deductible if you run a small company.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by drawfloat on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:48AM (#44221712)
But it’s still an additional expense that many do not need.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sshine on Monday June 09, 2025 @04:01AM (#44222341)
Nobody needs an additional expense.

Well, unless you're working for government and next year's budget depends on this year's expenses.

Most modern people need search engines. And most people don't care about advertising and having their private data sold. And most of those who do are happy to use adblockers and/or free alternatives to Google that still show ads, but may or may not collect as much data about you.

So it is indeed a niche: People who want to pay for search and AI, when both of those are "free".

As for having an AI broker instead of getting it straight from the model companies: I think the economic incentives are better. I don't want bloated answers, just because the model companies make money per token. I want to either pay for each token, or pay a lump sum to somebody who optimizes the result for me and pockets the difference.

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by jan_g on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:12AM (#44221591)
If they didn't take investments (and therefore not beholden to all that unicorn expectations), then it's totally fine. They've reached profitability sometime last yer, if I remember correctly. It was discussed also here on hacker news.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sshine on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:19AM (#44221625)
They took 92 presumably smaller investors, so no VC.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by eviks on Monday June 09, 2025 @02:15AM (#44221817)
Strange take, this is a premium product, of course it's not going to sell itself into world domination even if people care
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by baobabKoodaa on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:03AM (#44221541)
50k paying users is not nothing. And the trendline points in the right direction. Also, the products are good.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by moralestapia on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:03AM (#44221544)
Can you cite the part of my comment where I wrote "50k users is nothing"?
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sshine on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:05AM (#44221550)
> Ooof ... I thought they were doing way better.
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Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sshine on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:20AM (#44221629)
This horse is dead.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by TylerE on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:02AM (#44221536)
Alternatively: People really really hate micropayments and metered billing.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by dymk on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:04AM (#44221546)
They offer unlimited searches for $10/month, you don’t need to do metered billing
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by sshine on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:43AM (#44221696)
Kinda. Their Search API is not freely available, and I believe their current cost structure is preventing its popularisation.

Which means I can’t embed Kagi Search or Assistant into my open source products because APIs are second-class citizens.

To be fair, it seems like this makes sense for them economically, and maybe it even makes sense for growing in the right direction.

But as someone who would rather use their API, it’s a pity Search and Assistant aren’t there.

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by 112233 on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:31AM (#44221660)
I am sample size 1 of people! I love metered billing! I would gladly use metered plan with top-up credit if kagi had one.

Once I tried openrouter, I am not touching any subscription LLM providers.

Google/Microsoft/Apple "all-in-one" personal subscriptions are a different beast, because they charge well below cost.

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by bruce511 on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:08AM (#44221574)
This is not exactly a surprise. Paying to remove ads is a tiny market.

As much as we like to complain about ads, we also aren't really prepared to fund things that aren't ad driven.

Frankly on the web, for me, ads are fine. For TV less so. I pay for streaming (no ads) and for sport (no ad interruptions) etc.

For search, half the time I'm clicking on the ad anyway.

Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by xvilka on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:18AM (#44221620)
Ads are fine when you have ad-block installed. If not, they are absolute nuisance.
Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by omnimus on Monday June 09, 2025 @05:25AM (#44222690)
So ads are fine when you don't see the ads? lol
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Re:Kagi Reaches 50k Users by tchbnl on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:25AM (#44221640)
50K _paying users_ for a _search engine_. That's no small feat.