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Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by zombot on Friday June 06, 2025 @12:50AM (#44197899)
Right, stealing training data from others is OK, having it stolen from you is not. What else is new?
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by keyle on Friday June 06, 2025 @02:04AM (#44198187)
New logo every couple of years and Bob's your uncle.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by threeseed on Friday June 06, 2025 @02:14AM (#44198234)
Almost certainly the easter egg found in the Trump "Big Beautiful Bill" which prevents states from enacting AI regulations also came from Musk.

That way he can continue to steal from others and lock competitors out whilst being comfortable knowing that no laws will be enacted to prevent it.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by labster on Friday June 06, 2025 @03:52AM (#44198693)
Yep, Musk saying he’s going to fund primary campaigns against congressmembers who vote for the Big Beautiful Bill is all just a brilliant bit of reverse psychology.

Or more likely, Congress is super worried about Roko’s Basilisk.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by tetris11 on Friday June 06, 2025 @04:10AM (#44198766)
That's a wild reference!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk

> Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment which states there could be an otherwise benevolent artificial superintelligence (AI) in the future that would punish anyone who knew of its potential existence but did not directly contribute to its advancement or development, in order to incentivize said advancement.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by stuaxo on Friday June 06, 2025 @04:43AM (#44198913)
And some of the CEOs of LLM companies seem to believe in it, and that "AGI" will come from their LLM work - both of which are utterly insane points of view.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by BoxOfRain on Friday June 06, 2025 @04:44AM (#44198932)
It's Pascal's Wager with a sci-fi reskin, and all the objections that go along with that.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by yubblegum on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:26AM (#44199754)
No it is not. Pascal was not making an objective argument for why someone should believe. He was making an argument for why he believed (based on personal religious experiences that he had had).
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by eru on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:24AM (#44199427)
Roko's Basilisk is very, very similar to Pascal's wager, but it has an extra wrinkle:

The Basilisk task you to with bringing the Basilisk into being. Pascal's wager merely asks you to believe (and perhaps do some rituals, like pray or whatever), but not to make the deity more likely.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by numpad0 on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:46AM (#44200299)
To me, the Wager sounds like a pure philosophical joke, and the Basilisk sounds like a typical cult murder justification. It's not falsifiable, and it explains anything post facto. "xyz was tail of the Basilisk" can pseudo-rationalize anything you want.

I am presently being compelled by future Basilisk to take another slice of cheese. I have no choice but to oblige for fear of my own life :p

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by ilyagr on Friday June 06, 2025 @05:22AM (#44199156)
An intelligence that reasons this way would be, in human terms, batshit insane and completely immoral. So, it seems unlikely that many or maybe any humans would experience it as "otherwise benign" if it had power over their lives.

And if we do get an all-powerful dictator, we will be screwed regardless of whether their governing intelligence is artificial or composed of a group of humans or of one human (with, say, powerful AIs serving them faithfully, or access to some other technology).

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by api on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:51AM (#44199906)
Basilisk / Skynet 2028

I’m not 100% kidding with how human politics is going. Maybe superintelligent AI takeover would be awesome.

(Wasn’t that the back story of the Culture novels?)

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by JKCalhoun on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:14AM (#44200059)
It was more or less the story from the "Colossus" trilogy.

And from the video posted the other (older episode of Nova on AI) Arthur C. Clarke is saying that if we allow A.I. to take over, we deserve it.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by mgoetzke on Friday June 06, 2025 @02:21AM (#44198272)
why do you think he is so evil but all others are benign ?
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by littlestymaar on Friday June 06, 2025 @03:04AM (#44198459)
None of them are benign. He's the only one to have been in a government office though, and he's also batshit crazy, which makes him even more dangerous than the other oligarchs.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by HenryBemis on Friday June 06, 2025 @04:46AM (#44198939)
He is not "batshit crazy", or maybe he is. But he is making the next generation of ICBMs for the US government, sorry.. he is making super-duper rockets that will definitely take people to Mars and his companies/creations will be the very first tech ever to _not_ be used for war and death!!! (he wrote while laughing). So that settles it (all).
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by api on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:49AM (#44199890)
We really need a one bill one topic amendment. We are going to get to where there is one bill a year that nobody reads and everything else by executive order, at which point congress is just for show.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by threeseed on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:30AM (#44200184)
And this may sound ridiculous/odd but you need to bring back pork-barrelling i.e. earmarks.

If you allow everyone to go back to their district with something it encourages smaller, more frequent bills and better negotiation.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by api on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:24PM (#44206369)
That’s a very interesting contrarian take right there.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by NekkoDroid on Friday June 06, 2025 @09:02AM (#44200425)
> Almost certainly the easter egg found in the Trump "Big Beautiful Bill" which prevents states from enacting AI regulations also came from Musk.

My guess is on Peter Thiel

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by ivape on Friday June 06, 2025 @05:37AM (#44199232)
X/Twitter has became extremely prohibitive with just about everything since Elon took over. Their API pricing was antagonistic toward even indie developers. Elon is not a generous guy.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by djaychela on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:10AM (#44200034)
> Elon is not a generous guy

He's a moral imbecile. Richest man in the world taking food from the poorest kids and celebrating putting this "into the woodchipper" should never be forgotten by anyone with a grasp on what this really represents.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by larrled on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:39AM (#44200260)
To be fair, I think he thought he could save us. And that it mattered. A narcissistic and paranoid view which happens to be shared by most everyone.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by djaychela on Friday June 06, 2025 @09:09AM (#44200477)
Can you expand on that?as written I can't make much sense of your comment.

FTR I don't think he thought he could save us, I think he thought he could do cool stuff (space and EVs) and now says climate change isn't as bad as he used to think (despite mountains of evidence to the contrary).

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by colejohnson66 on Friday June 06, 2025 @09:34AM (#44200757)
If you repeat your lies enough, you'll end up believing them yourself. Especially if you surround yourself with yes-men. It's entirely possible Musk genuinely believed he was a savior of humanity.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by djaychela on Friday June 06, 2025 @09:52AM (#44200932)
I think there's a long way between what you're saying (which is true particularly as there seem to be a lot of thin skinned leaders of the tech industry) and ending up being responsible for teenage mental health crises, assisting genocide and destroying foreign aid.

You don't hear this sort of stuff about ebays founder, for instance.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by larrled on Sunday June 08, 2025 @08:57AM (#44216719)
Normal people who have basic needs met will self actualize. Elon like most of us in the juseo-Christian/Hollywood West, sees himself as a potential messiah; Bruce Wayne or Tony stark or bono or something. A good thing that, what kendrick Lamar called “the anxiety of influence.” Should not the richest man want to save the world? Alas, a messiah complex is short lived in the public sector. Lazy narcissists belong in politics, crazy narcissists in industry. Elon is the latter.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by phatskat on Friday June 06, 2025 @05:52PM (#44205367)
> To be fair, I think he thought he could save us.

Depends on who “us” is. Musk and his close friends? Sure. The rest of us? Well, in his view, the majority of humanity is a stepping stone to a future for his lineage to live on through space travel and colonization. This isn’t an exaggeration, though I don’t have my sources on this handy as it’s been a while so take it with a grain of salt. But Musk’s altruism has largely always been about making himself look good, and less about helping people.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by newsbinator on Friday June 06, 2025 @05:59AM (#44199309)
> Elon is not a generous guy

Why would he be?

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by ivape on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:25AM (#44199438)
It's kind of a "life arc" that gets fulfilled when you've done it all and have all the money in the world, and reach a certain age. It's a very traditional arc for a humane human being.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by qeternity on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:30AM (#44199469)
No it isn't. Whenever someone complains about greed, or lack of generosity, quite literally the same can almost always be said about the complainer.

Musk would look at this and say "why aren't these people more generous and willing to pay for my API".

Rules for thee but not for me.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by ivape on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:35AM (#44199505)
That API was already reasonable before he took over Twitter. It was prohibitively priced afterward. You are making arguments out of things where there is objective proof otherwise. Anyways, I think he cut aid programs and fired a bunch of people too. That's a whole nother' matter though (I'll drop the whole holistic argument).

For example the firehose/streaming API more or less require 5 grand a month, so off limits to a indie dev. Does he not even have solidarity with developers?

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by only-one1701 on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:26AM (#44199758)
He’s not a developer and never really has been so why would he?
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by tehwebguy on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:26AM (#44199755)
lmao what?
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Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by qeternity on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:44AM (#44199860)
How so? It's zero sum between API provider and API consumer.

My point is there is no generosity here at all between parties.

Consumers want to pay less. Provider wants to charge more. It's not a charity.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by notsosureja1 on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:20AM (#44200104)
Says a lot about your character that this is the way you think.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by qeternity on Friday June 06, 2025 @01:07PM (#44202914)
Ok. It's more revealing that the rest of you are so offended by the truth.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by ivape on Friday June 06, 2025 @04:10PM (#44204528)
The truth of what? Being an utter piece of shit?
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by thomasanders0n on Friday June 06, 2025 @12:04PM (#44202223)
He still has a couple decades to go with his companies I would say.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by reaperducer on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:12AM (#44199684)
> Elon is not a generous guy

Why would he be?

Why shouldn't he be?

He has 10x more of everything in the world than he could ever possibly use in his lifetime.

Greed is not a virtue.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by djaychela on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:15AM (#44200071)
> He has 10x more of everything in the world than he could ever possibly use in his lifetime.

Your multiplier is miles off. Not only on basic maths but because he has no idea what to do with all of his wealth other than accrue more and try to prove he's still not the unlikeable teenager he was in SA.

Without a rounding error on his wealth he could fix world wide problems such as clean drinking water for everyone. Instead he follows his self-made "I'm a genius" agenda.

I know there will be no actual day of reckoning for him, but if there were he would have a lot of difficult questions and no decent answers.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by ryeats on Friday June 06, 2025 @11:52AM (#44202083)
Not justify anything he does or does not do but this is clearly not the case since he had to take out loans against equity in his other companies to buy Twitter.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by MarcelOlsz on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:34AM (#44199800)
My uncle has 10x more of everything in the world than he could ever possibly use in his lifetime. A lake house, a main house, a few boats and cars.

Elon is somewhere around 10,000x.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by Barracoon on Friday June 06, 2025 @10:30AM (#44201322)
The median American net worth is $192,700. Elon’s net worth is $393.4 billion, so if I’m doing math right he’s about 204,000,000x more
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by MarcelOlsz on Friday June 06, 2025 @05:05PM (#44204986)
I think you might be an order of magnitude off.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by threetonesun on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:42AM (#44199852)
When twitter became x they switched to basically the same limits Instagram has, I don't think this is a particular failing of Elons, even though he might have many.

Restricting content from AI is the big messy debate we're going to see over and over for the next who knows how many years.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by matthewdgreen on Friday June 06, 2025 @09:05AM (#44200447)
Twitter's strategy was to keep the platform very open and inviting, in order to make it relevant. This included having a relatively unrestricted API compared to other platforms.

I don't know if this was successful or not. Ultimately they convinced someone to buy the platform for $44bn, so I guess you can say it was. That buy has locked the platform down more, and the new version certainly feels less culturally central and relevant than it used to.

Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by notsosureja1 on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:22AM (#44200122)
Because it feels warm and fuzzy to be kind and empathic. Being hateful and greedy and letting avarice rule over your worldview is incredibly sad. But who am I to say.
Re:X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using it... by foobarchu on Friday June 06, 2025 @12:10PM (#44202286)
Maybe something to do with having built his fortune off the back of taxpayer subsidies?