We’re literally an occupied nation.
I more or less agree.
> We’re literally an occupied nation
The language of the US under occupation is a neonazi talking point, ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government) being a phrase neonazi morons like. Maybe a coincidence.
(I’ve been using 30 years due to feeling that HW Bush was stronger with Israel on the particular issue of Palestine, but really, not an expert here at all)
Students that criticize Israel, not US, Israel, get deported.
The occupied statements are an exaggeration, but Israel absolutely has an overwhelming influence over US.
I would hope that any message archiving is being done on an organization-owned server though.
There's compelling evidence that the messages all pass through TM servers before being archived.
https://www.404media.co/the-signal-clone-the-trump-admin-use...
The question is where the E2E encryption goes between.
The builds that are distributed would likely just send the plaintext un-encrypted message separately to the archive, and I'm guessing that means it goes right to TM servers before being dispatched elsewhere.
Yes, tools like Cellebrite and zero-day exploits.
Those are tools which are used to spy on people outside of the government.
This is a tool that has data created by the government.
(I feel like I have to say this in every thread that insinuates something sinister about being a "former Israeli intelligence officer": the structure of Israel's military and mandatory service is such that just about everybody with technical skills serves in some kind of "intelligence" capacity. It's not a very big country. This is, of course, independent from any normative claims about Israel's government, politics, etc. -- it's what you'd expect in any small country that has mandatory military service with a significant intelligence component.)
Israel is apparently so important to US, that US brushes away pretty much all concerns, or infractions. From Israel killing US citizens, incl. US children for no reason, stealing material for nuclear bomb from US, killing US soldiers and bombing US ships, attempting to murder US ambasador and his family/children, and making US seem like a total asshole country by it having to defend all kinds of vile actions done by its proxy in the middle east, etc.
Israel seems more like a proxy state of the US at this point.
Some minor spying would not even register. And it would be like US spying on itself anyway.
(A piece of context that's often missing from - typically charged - discussions about US/Israel relationships is the degree of dependence between the two, and how that's varied over the years. Israel's defense policies have historically been informed by a desire to be fully self-sufficient during wartime, i.e. not require active support from countries like the U.S. That policy has been deprioritized over the last 20-30 years, to the point where the US is now a significant active defense provider for Israel, rather than just an arms supplier. This is a dependency relationship that's new to the ongoing conflict, and should color any analysis of Israel's willingness to do things that would threaten its relationship with the U.S.)
I guess US gov would not like to have it be out publicly, but they must understand that this is being at least attempted and US likely does it to Israel, too.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-nsa-document-highlights-is...
My point here is pretty narrow: I'm sure Israel spies on the US, and we spy on them. My only doubt is whether TM SGNL itself is an element of that, or whether it's just another flavor of junk software sold to USG to paper over the gaps between technology and compliance requirements.
I mean, they stole weapons grade Uranium from United States along with nuclear secrets and we just shrugged our shoulders: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-...
Well, guess what, it doesn't work. It's just stupid.
Correct - they would not use that intelligence to threaten that relationship, but to maintain it. Knowing the political leanings of politicians and government officials (for example, identifying any that think that relationship is more of a cost than a benefit) is extremely valuable to that end.
(It also beggars belief in the current climate -- I would be hard-pressed to name a single member of the current administration who hasn't yelled until purple in the face about their support for Israel's current government and wartime policies.)
[1] After House Speaker Mike Johnson Pushed Through Israel Aid Package, AIPAC Cash Came Flowing In - https://theintercept.com/2024/01/20/israel-aipac-house-mike-...
[2] The Israel lobby and U.S. foreign policy - https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/israel-lobby-and-us...
[3] More than 95% of AIPAC-backed candidates won their election last night! Being pro-Israel is good policy and good politics! - https://x.com/AIPAC/status/1590362232915132417
Periodically, someone gets caught red-handed, a fuss is made, some diplomats get thrown out and replaced with other ones, and then everyone continues doing it.
There's a reason the US bought this app from Israelis, and it wasn't because of improved security or archive compliance.
For how much they like to beat the "buy American" drum, this contradicts that.
[1]: https://www.thedailybeast.com/israeli-spies-arent-exactly-re...
While some of the points you make are indeed correct it actually paints an inaccurate overall picture.
For example: not widely known but 100% true, Israel is and has been for a long time classified as the highest level of counterintelligence threat to the US on par with China, Russia, Cuba and others.
I assure you, this is a big fucking deal and not something to be waved away with “everyone’s intel, don’t worry it’s probably nothing”.
I'm saying that the fact that it's Israeli tech is not itself the biggest part of the story.
Today they may collide in most instances, who's to say tomorrow it will still be the case. For instance when Iran gets the nuclear bomb and threaten Israel with it ?
An encrypted messaging system, used by the American government, is in my opinion even worst than the supposed Huawei 5g antenna data collection.
Huawei wouldn't have had access to secret talk between top government official, at least not decrypted.
I don't know if this was your intention, but it's exceedingly likely that the US would side with Israel in all circumstances if Iran threatened Israel with a nuclear weapon, no matter who is president. In fact, the threat of Iran attacking Israel was one of the key reasons† Biden refused to unilaterally stop all arms shipments to Israel.
† Source: War by Bob Woodward.
Part of his hawkishness toward Iran comes from the kinds of national security advisers he keeps (typically all hawkish on Iran themselves, with some exceptions like General Mark Milley), and part of it comes from his admiration for "strongman" leaders like Bibi.
But is this really just evidence that a mandatory draft is actually good economic policy? Having a forced networking event where a bunch of similar skilled individual meet each other seems to be producing a ton of economic value for Israel.
You are just talking about the clone, NOT signal foundation and the dev team?