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Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by tmpz22 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:22PM (#43701112)
Destroy, destroy, destroy. Promise to rebuild but don't. Take it all.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by chris_wot on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:33PM (#43701175)
So much for the wunderkinds in DOGE.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by drivingmenuts on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:58PM (#43701283)
Given that the Kids at DOGE are all computer experts, this reeks of a calculated move.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by consp on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:27AM (#43701476)
I think expert is not the right word for what looks like mostly rookies.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by krferriter on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:31AM (#43701491)
Absolutely not. They are not broadly experts, and they are not making these decisions after careful consideration, as evidenced by their continual acts of stupidity and basic errors and cutting things despite having no idea what it is they are cutting. Musk got in an argument with someone who said DOGE cut funding for a cancer treatment program, and Musk was calling the person a liar, and the person provided evidence and Musk admitted it was an accident. They are a clown car of idiots who vastly overestimate their own knowledge and underestimate how much good the government actually does. They think they can just slash and burn and there will be no negative consequences because they think the government is worthless.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by chris_wot on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:35AM (#43701515)
Until, like Ayn Rand, they actually need the government. Then they'll be complaining how the government doesn't provide services.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by riffraff on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:50AM (#43701598)
My knowledge of Ayn Rand stops at having read a book (and considered it silly), when did she need the government and complained about it?
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by aaronbrethorst on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:25AM (#43702113)
Medicare and social security after a lung cancer diagnosis (from being a heavy smoker)

https://www.openculture.com/2016/12/when-ayn-rand-collected-...

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by orwin on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:51AM (#43701926)
What's funny, and it might be because of the translation, but I first thought her book where all entrepreneurs are hidden away in a sort of parallel country was a dystopian satire and a joke about some people sense of self importance. Then I learned about her (and when the book was written too) and realised her book was to be read as it was written, 'seriously'. Which makes it silly, but a funny story.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by chris_wot on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:04AM (#43701686)
She was an Objectivist. She considered social security to be "legalized plunder". Then when she needed it, she decided to take it.

One of her wonderful worldviews was to rejects altruism as a moral imperative, arguing that individuals should live for their own rational self-interest. Social security, based on the idea of supporting others, contradicts this principle.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by Nevermark on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:50AM (#43701925)
It takes strong and complex social glue to create a place where millions can safely follow their own self-interest.

Which means anyone whose wisdom matches their self-interest is going to understand that different things have very different efficiencies at different scales.

And some things happen to be dramatically more efficient/person and more effective, the larger the scale they can be coordinated at.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by InsideOutSanta on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @03:55AM (#43702682)
>It takes strong and complex social glue to create a place where millions can safely follow their own self-interest.

This exactly. All of these people who profess to believe in objectivism could easily move to a failed state and do anything they want to with zero government intervention. But they don't do that. They want all of the benefits of a working government with none of the things required to actually create a working government.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by cratermoon on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @09:32AM (#43705316)
Side note: if they wait a little bit, they may end up not needing to move anywhere after all.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by jay_kyburz on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:28AM (#43702137)
It is in your self interest to have a strong social safety net, because one day you might need it too.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by ndsipa_pomu on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:59AM (#43702317)
Also, even if you don't need it yourself, it's far nicer to live in a society where people's basic needs can be met otherwise we end up living in some kind of Mad Max apocalyptic wasteland where people with nothing and nothing to lose roam the country looking for targets.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by Tainnor on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @07:24AM (#43703986)
> One of her wonderful worldviews was to rejects altruism as a moral imperative, arguing that individuals should live for their own rational self-interest. Social security, based on the idea of supporting others, contradicts this principle.

This position was already pointed out by Plato (in the Gorgias IIRC) as being inconsistent. Political systems are made up by people - if a society, in particular a democratic one, has certain systems in place, then this is probably because it was (at least believed to be) in the people's self interest.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by drivingmenuts on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:37PM (#43707454)
I don't see altruism as being outside of my own self-interest. I think that you get what you give, so having to give up some money to the public good is OK (usually not awesome, but OK).
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by drivingmenuts on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:31PM (#43707382)
Sorry, I really should have said "experts" with the rabbit ears. But it still reeks.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by chris_wot on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:34AM (#43701508)
They've done their degrees and masters in Computer Science, and many of them dropped out. But they focused on AI, so I'm assuming this makes them great at statistics, but does this mean they are great at security? Given the way they've gone through a variety of departments, I'd say they aren't.

The DOGE crew are incompetent. Witness their firing of all the people who look after the nuclear stockpile and Ebola research.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by yowzadave on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:38AM (#43701527)
They are clueless kids at their first job, following the orders of their hero. You think they’ll resist when the boss tells them, “cut everything”?
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by shakna on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @03:03AM (#43702349)
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by RALaBarge on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @07:57AM (#43704247)
Hang out around here for a while and you will realize quickly that us tech bros mostly just know tech stuff. Our perceived intelligence in topics which we don't spend our time on is called hubris and we are swimming in it at all times.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by sitkack on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:54PM (#43701269)
@bigballs, please save U.S.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by ForOldHack on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:33AM (#43701499)
Soon to be powned, by their own extreme short sightedness. Duh.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by nwatson on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:49AM (#43701588)
Maybe "they" want to do the pwning with less coordinated resistance. Doing away with CVEs would help with that objective.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by jeltz on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @07:20AM (#43703953)
No, they are not skilled enough to hack anything. These are just a bunch of average junior engineers with hubris.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by pohuing on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @03:18AM (#43702445)
Soon to be? They already failed to deploy a website safely by exposing the db. https://www.404media.co/anyone-can-push-updates-to-the-doge-...
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by tw04 on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:42AM (#43701549)
I think you mean wonder kids.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by riffraff on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:48AM (#43701582)
wunderkind is a loanword, it's one of those cases of a German word being used but being odd in English since it's so similar. Like kindergarten which is often speller as "garden".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wunderkind_(disambiguation)

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by hnlmorg on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:54AM (#43702284)
I think the GP was making a reference to the Apple TV show “Ted Lasso”.

“Wunderkind” mispronounced as “Wonder Kid” is a running joke in that show.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TedLasso/comments/132rw9v/what_the_...

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by chris_wot on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @04:18PM (#43709900)
No, not really though that was pretty funny
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by markhahn on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:21AM (#43701763)
"tariff as wunderwaffe" often comes to mind these days.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by oezi on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:46AM (#43702235)
Many of these terms originate during the Nazi regime and thus aren't used lightly in Germany anymore.

Other example includes: Endgegner (final boss) or Endlösung (final solution)

I would suggest to avoid such terms.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by ben_w on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @03:52AM (#43702663)
> Endgegner

I did not know about this, thanks for die Vorwarnung. In context, I'd assume "ultimate enemy" (Gegner=opponent) as "final boss" sounds videogame.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by consp on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @04:35AM (#43702984)
Many did in the golden age of German research, then to be destroyed by those mentioned.

Either the philosophers or the mathematicians/physicists likely coined them.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by oezi on Thursday April 17, 2025 @03:17AM (#43713970)
Certainly, so we have to critically look at the terms and check which have been used by the Nazis to promote their ideology. It is a call to make in each case.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by pseudalopex on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @05:27AM (#43703301)
Wunderkind and Endgegner are used lightly in Germany.

The parallels to Nazi Germany's striking but impractical weapons seemed intended every time I heard or read Wunderwaffe in English.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by oezi on Thursday April 17, 2025 @03:14AM (#43713955)
Wunderkind predates the Nazis so it doesn't have that much baggage.

Endgegner originates from Endlösung and while it indeed often is used without thought, the question if it should be used lightly.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by pseudalopex on Thursday April 17, 2025 @10:22AM (#43717291)
You stated Endgegner was not used lightly in Germany when it was. You seemed to think Wunderwaffe was used lightly in English when it was not. And searching for Endgegner and Endlösung found our comments and a few opinions they sound similar. No evidence or claims of origin. I conclude Endgegner does not originate from Endlösung probably.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by obelos on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @11:32AM (#43706734)
I'm pretty sure this is a joke reference to Ted Lasso.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by tw04 on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:17PM (#43708641)
It was sarcasm that apparently went over everyone’s head. See: Ted Lasso.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by chris_wot on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:15AM (#43701736)
Same thing.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by addandsubtract on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @05:20AM (#43703264)
They were able to eliminate all open CVE's while cutting costs at the same time. Amazing!
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by cantrecallmypwd on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:33PM (#43701174)
Vampire capitalism. They want civilization to break down so they can offer a solution for profit. The enemies of all people and life on the planet are a tiny group of oligarchs and their supplicants.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:48PM (#43701240)
Not unlike the manga Berserk
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:27AM (#43701475)
This isn't capitalism, any more than arson, burglary, or extortion is capitalism. Get some new material.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by tigerBL00D on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:42AM (#43701543)
To be fair, we don't yet know how capitalism ends.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:16PM (#43707910)
We know how everything else does, though.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by johnnyanmac on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:51PM (#43708994)
Heat death of the universe?
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by Nevermark on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:03AM (#43701986)
I agree, given the right definition of “capitalism”.

Unfortunately “capitalism” has two quite different meanings. Which are rarely clarified in use.

Capitalism with a big C, a too common overarching ideology, gets bent to mean whatever the greedy, unethical and rich want it to mean so they can get more money.

But small c capitalism, evolving from both practical and ethical foundations, is a system so useful it has multiplied the benefits of civilization. But it is just one such system.

It can’t do everything, it needs other independent systems (justice, dispute resolution, rules of clarity, risk & trust limiting systems, for starters) to work, and extending it to places it doesn’t work causes great harm.

(Like when perversely applied to those enabling systems, in big C form, as is happening now.)

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by roughly on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:43AM (#43702217)
> any more than arson, burglary, or extortion is capitalism

Indeed.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by GuinansEyebrows on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:03PM (#43707736)
Hah. I’ve been hearing this No-True-Scotsman for Capitalism for decades now. It’s what we’ve got and is widely understood as capitalism. I won’t repeat your last sentence but the sentiment is similar.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:17PM (#43707918)
It's no different from what apologists for Communism and any number of other -isms will tell you. "B...b...but it's never really been tried." Capitalists are as entitled to that excuse as anyone else.

It's almost as if no economic, social, or political system known to mankind will stand up for long under a determined onslaught of corruption.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by GuinansEyebrows on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:42PM (#43708902)
I'm not sure "well THEY do it so I want to do it too" is the strongest argument.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by johnnyanmac on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:49PM (#43708987)
It's malicious rent seeking. Is that capitalism? Once you run out of easy problems to solve, you create problems for yourself to solve.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @03:04AM (#43702359)
Did they promise to rebuild?

If I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt (which I hate), it's a shotgun approach; cut things relentlessly and see what falls apart. Chaos engineering applied to a country and / or the world.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by willy_k on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @03:19AM (#43702449)
That’s exactly what it is, and they said as much repeatedly while campaigning. Voters, in their zealotry against the perceived status quo, failed to realize how much of what we have right now you don’t want to cut recklessly, as well as just how reckless the people that they were choosing to do that job were.
Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by coldpie on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @06:45AM (#43703716)
> in their zealotry against the perceived status quo,

Perceived, not actual, because spreading lies and misinformation is what makes the most money for the ad sellers that make up 90% of our industry.

Re:CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew cont... by watwut on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @03:45AM (#43702621)
There are various glorious futures floating around about how this will make America better, stronger, more independent.