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Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by OhMeadhbh on Thursday March 06, 2025 @02:15PM (#43284037)
Yup. I worked on the "Rapport" series of switches at Bell Canada. It was DS1 (Digital Signal 1) out one end and a rack full of Zyxel modems on the other side. The idea was RBOCs (Regional Bell Operating Companies) would put these in their CO (Central Office) and terminate 56k modem signals over the analog "last mile" loop to the customer premises and then do Frame Relay over the phone company's data lines to your ISP.

I know Southwest Bell bought a number of them and stuffed them in a closet north of downtown Dallas. During the install I remember having to explain what Ethernet was to their techs. They were EXCELLENT at phone standards, but had decided the data world was threatening and were determined to never learn anything about it.

I know that between around '93 and '97 if you dialed AOL from D/FW there was a good chance your call would be terminated somewhere within a mile or two of your house and the bits flowing between your Compaq Presario and AOL would be sent digitally from the local CO to AOL's data center in Sterling, VA.

This line of business was (of course) destroyed by consumer DSL and cable modems, but for about 5 years it was fairly popular with the phone companies. ISDN at the time was a bit pricey for most households and a modem is a one-off purchase. Most people I knew using things like AOL or CompuServe were using a hand-me-down 36k modem on a crappy 33MHz 486sx running DOS / Win3.1 / Win95 and were fairly cost-sensitive.

Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by plorg on Thursday March 06, 2025 @03:42PM (#43284883)
Revealing my ignorance here, but was (is?) there a telephone equivalent of anycast such that, say, the 1-800-... Or 1-900... numbers would be routed differently based on location? My basic knowledge of phone systems suggests it would at least be possible.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by function_seven on Thursday March 06, 2025 @04:15PM (#43285144)
Wikipedia has good info on how RespOrgs handle this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll-free_telephone_numbers_in....

Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by iptel on Thursday March 06, 2025 @03:54PM (#43284979)
Absolutely, when call hits local switch it can be terminated differently based on its location. Particularly pertinent for modem based services in the 90s. A single national dialup number would terminate on 100s of local pops and routing decisions would be done to keep traffic as local as possible.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by timthorn on Friday March 07, 2025 @05:55PM (#43295695)
Internet Thruway from Nortel allowed multiple ISPs to use the same local termination hardware; If I remember the details correctly, different national numbers could be terminated on the same box, with the subsequent IP traffic routed to the correct ISP.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by timthorn on Friday March 07, 2025 @04:13AM (#43288509)
Yes, the Intelligent Network was the big thing in the 1990s. It allowed for routing as you describe as well as calling cards and many other features: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Network
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by pantulis on Friday March 07, 2025 @11:07AM (#43291306)
Oh the joys of watching terminal logs with SS7 data frames!
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by xattt on Friday March 07, 2025 @01:23PM (#43292675)
Was there any way for the customer to somehow interact with SS7 frames?

We’ve had techs come to our home in Canada in the 1990s, and I remember being fascinated with their mystical toolbox phone that seemed to uncover hidden phone line functionality. Almost like the whip in Indiana Jones.

Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by pantulis on Friday March 07, 2025 @03:26PM (#43294181)
I don't think so, but who knows. In my case I was working at a telco so everything was very obvious at the dev environments.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by cantrecallmypwd on Friday March 07, 2025 @05:09AM (#43288874)
911 and 0 (operator).
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by shrubble on Friday March 07, 2025 @07:23AM (#43289589)
Yes, but it would usually be based on the first 3 or 6 numbers of your phone number. The first 3 are of course “area code” and the 6 are called “NPA-NXX”. This has blurred some due to line number portability and cell phones.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by mschuster91 on Friday March 07, 2025 @08:36AM (#43290028)
Yes, at the very least 911 (US) / 112 (EU) run on that system. For SIP numbers routing depends on the address you set up in the phone provider's portal, so if you're using bring-your-own-SIP to provide landline phone service in your house, you absolutely have to keep the address current or you risk dialing 911 and ending up on the dispatch of your old addres...
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by kdmtctl on Friday March 07, 2025 @06:05PM (#43295786)
Not in the US, but we had a country-wide number that each local station simply routed to a local extension. Sometimes, even multi-line wasn’t available at some stations, so it was just a sequential list of extensions to try. Looks like a hack, but it worked flawlessly.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by rasz on Thursday March 06, 2025 @04:48PM (#43285392)
> DS1 (Digital Signal 1) out one end and a rack full of Zyxel modems on the other side

Why use real physical modems when you already have subscribers signals converted to convenient digital form in DS1 bundle? Wouldnt it make more sense to put a box with one fat DSP doing 24 modems all in bulk inside a box with DS1 and Ethernet sockets at the ISP location instead?

Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by icedchai on Thursday March 06, 2025 @06:11PM (#43285981)
This did happen eventually. In the late 90's, various companies (Cisco, Ascend) provided boxes that could handle 24 modems on a single T1 port (PRI or channelized T1.) This massively improved ISP port density. Before that, it was racks and racks of modems...
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by actionfromafar on Friday March 07, 2025 @03:57AM (#43288442)
IIRC it was the only way to support 56k.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by icedchai on Friday March 07, 2025 @11:48AM (#43291715)
Yes! The ISP side needed to be digital to get a 56K connection.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by timthorn on Friday March 07, 2025 @04:19AM (#43288544)
I was working for one of the telco equipment firms around that time. We made a box that would terminate TDM trunks and had it in the lab.

I was installing Windows 2000 on a PC in the lab (manual disk swapping required) when, hidden behind another rack, several shelves full of physical modems all started calling the box at once, speakers on.

Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by wffurr on Friday March 07, 2025 @07:02AM (#43289477)
I am trying to imagine the racket that must have made. Amazing how vivid that modem sound is in memory.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by linsomniac on Friday March 07, 2025 @08:28AM (#43289973)
You're thinking about the Livingston/Lucent Portmaster 3. https://osmocom.org/projects/retronetworking/wiki/Livingston...

These were great boxes, and the only way you could get 56K was to call into an ISP with one of these or similar on their end -- the trickery that allowed 56K relied on one end being fully digital.

I was working for an ISP around that time and we had a bunch of Portmaster 2s connected via RS-232 cables to piles of modems, some rackmount some just stacks and stacks of US Robotics Sportsters. Sometimes modems would get wedged and we'd have to reboot them or "busy out" the line that they were on. Harder for the modems that were an hour away.

When the transition happened we were able to get rid of all those wires and just plug in one small phone cable for the T1, another for Ethernet, and terminate 23 lines. The Portmaster would treat all the modems as a pool and route calls to whichever was available, and once a call was done would run some testing on the modem before putting it back into the pool. It was like a space age rocket ship! At one point I was driving around with $50K worth of Portmasters in the trunk of my car, hoping I didn't get rear-ended. They were not at all cheap, but they were worth it.

Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by kstrauser on Friday March 07, 2025 @09:33AM (#43290476)
Oh man. I was talking to my wife’s acquaintance and he was excited to talk shop when he found out I was technical. He worked at “this small company you’ve never heard of, Livingston.” “As in, Portmaster?” “You know about that?!”

Yeah, friend. I’m very familiar, and it was amazing tech. It sure kept the data center cooling system busy, though.

Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by iramiller on Friday March 07, 2025 @09:05AM (#43290235)
Similar story with Portmaster 2s and a wall of modems layed out. The resulting blinking lights acted like a load monitor of sorts as the activity would spread across the wall as customers dialed in after work and signed off at night. Not mention a wall of flashing red lights made a pretty good picture of ‘the internet’ for those just starting out on this adventure in 1997.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by ubercore on Friday March 07, 2025 @03:32AM (#43288301)
Compaq Presario catching strays.
Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by immibis on Saturday March 08, 2025 @08:27AM (#43300090)
Isn't DSL basically the same thing? If you live in a jurisdiction with unbundled local loops (which I suspect you do not), your phone company terminates your DSL at their nearest "office" (often a roadside equipment cabinet nowadays) and then does Metro Ethernet over the phone company's data lines to your ISP.

If you don't live in that jurisdiction, it's the same but your ISP and your phone company are the same company.

Also you don't dial your ISP with a number.

Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by Suppafly on Monday March 10, 2025 @02:03PM (#43323494)
>I know that between around '93 and '97 if you dialed AOL from D/FW there was a good chance your call would be terminated somewhere within a mile or two of your house and the bits flowing between your Compaq Presario and AOL would be sent digitally from the local CO to AOL's data center in Sterling, VA.

Around the end of the dialup era, I noticed a bunch of similar low cost dialup services all used the same phone numbers, is this part of the reason, or were they all just reselling the same internet access or something?

Re:Why 56k Modems Relied on Digital Phone Lines You Didn't K... by zinekeller on Tuesday March 11, 2025 @02:27AM (#43329715)
Not GP, but this reminds me of how modern GPON (including XGS-, 50G-) works in some areas, like NBN (Australia), NTT FLETS (Japan) and Openreach (UK) where the fiber runs, on what is essentially, a PPPoE or IPoE pipe that tunnels the connection from the customer to the real ISP the user subscribed. Switzerland (basing at least on Init7 docs) has somehow decided on fiber-optic being a real dumb pipe, which is really nice but I imagine that it is costly.