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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by mamonster on Friday February 28, 2025 @01:51PM (#43208991)
Has there ever been a meeting that went this bad in front of journalists?
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by tgv on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:15PM (#43209862)
No, this was shocking on multiple levels. What motivates the nominally most powerful person on the planet to behave like this?
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by hightrix on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:17PM (#43211162)
Weakness. Trump looked like the weakest negotiator I’ve ever seen in this exchange. He looks so powerless. He’s taking his frustration out on Zelenski since Musk has completely taken over his role in the US.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:27PM (#43213212)
To his supporters, Trump looked strong.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by cmurf on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @12:08AM (#43263084)
They are also weak. And they've learned that aggression compensates for weakness, but in reality weakness is what leads to the aggression.

His supporters believe in many lies because they've been brainwashed. Things will continue to degrade until an counter agent is developed for this insanity.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by hiccuphippo on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:05PM (#43210853)
Good television, it seems.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by pjc50 on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:19PM (#43209939)
Power. They're having the time of their lives.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by GolfPopper on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:02PM (#43210776)
My guess: dementia and psychopathy.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by cryptonector on Friday February 28, 2025 @11:57PM (#43216088)
Now do Vance.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by benrutter on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:25AM (#43219498)
Demented and psychopathic
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by afavour on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:28PM (#43210095)
He likes bullying people and it makes him feel good.

People often attribute 5D chess strategies to Trump when base instincts are a far clearer explanation.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by racktash on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:34PM (#43210208)
It was content for a segment of his base.

On Twitter, it's common to find populist-right commentators say things like:

1. Supporting Ukraine against Russia is risking WW3

2. Zelensky is always asking for more, more more and is SO disrespectful to the generous United States. And he doesn't even show up in a suit when meeting the president. How disgraceful. etc. etc.

These points were both touched upon by the Trump/Vance tag team and that's no coincidence.

My respect for Zelensky, the only decent politician in that room. Ukraine is lucky to have him in a time like this.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by llm_trw on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:40PM (#43210332)
He nearly got assassinated by the incompetence of the same people telling him to help Ukraine.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by cbg0 on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:52PM (#43210561)
Secret Service is telling Trump to help Ukraine?
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by cmrdporcupine on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:33PM (#43211512)
He's an entertainer / reality TV star / game show host. That's the sum of him.

I'm not sure what anybody could really expect other than this.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by arwhatever on Friday February 28, 2025 @11:23PM (#43215863)
He wants to defund U.S. support for Ukraine, but isn't can't directly own his decision like an adult, and so has to stage this baloney conflict of a press conference.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by tinco on Saturday March 01, 2025 @02:51AM (#43217020)
You don't have to ask this sort of question. He literally says it in the discussion. He wanted to show the world Zelensky's attitude. And he was successful in doing so

Trump failed to make the deal, they tried to get resources for a minimum of involvement, and the deal didn't go through because Zelensky is adamant in wanting to protect Ukrainian integrity.

From Trump's perspective this puts him in a good light. He is attempting to negotiate rationally and Zelensky is irrationally spending Ukrainian lives to hold on to an ideal.

Of course Europe and many Americans believe in that ideal and would support Ukraine, but that's not Trump's political platform. His motivation is to end the war, and the easiest way to end the war is to yield to Putin's demands. Making Zelensky look unreasonable is a critical part of that.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by cmurf on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @12:16AM (#43263128)
It's not an idea. It's the law. Everyone agreed to it.

Aggressive war is proscribed in the UN Charter. Starting a war to expand borders or subjugate people is untenable. The right to conquest is obsolete.

Returning to that time is absolutely what the Trump regime is asserting on behalf of Americans. And Americans should be vary wary of returning to a time prior to the two world wars as if the lessons learned should now be dismissed or unlearned. We do this and we guarantee there will be one or more world wars again. More wars of conquest, again. More wars of aggression, again. A return to might makes right. Not law.

A republic is an empire of laws, not men. We follow Trumpism, and we return to an entirely familiar and more chaotic world than what we have had.

Not one fucking square meter of Ukraine should go to Russia. There already is a negotiation and a treaty that said the very goddamn thing that's happening would not happen. So why trust untrustworthy liars by giving them land, with a piece of paper that means less than nothing?

You know what is "holding onto an ideal"? Negotiation with Russia.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by tinco on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @02:41AM (#43263921)
I agree with your rant, but it's not relevant to this thread. GP asked a question about how Trump's behavior could be explained and I explained it. If you can't understand someone's behavior and you think everything they do is dumb or evil, you've shut your brain off and the world will keep catching you off guard.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by duxup on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:03PM (#43209713)
Nope, this is the first such "blow up" where folks at the white house berated a guest they invited there.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by kelseydh on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:28PM (#43210088)
The only recent historical comparison I can think of -- and it's a weak one compared to today's meeting -- was when Obama firmly reiterated to Netanyahu his insistence on the 1967 lines as the basis for a two state solution, and Netanyahu in front of the cameras forcefully rejecting that to Obama's face: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l28xJitnP78
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by redeux on Saturday March 01, 2025 @08:02AM (#43218843)
Interesting as well since both Trump and Netanyahu are right wing authoritarians.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by pjc50 on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:19PM (#43209927)
It went exactly the way the president wanted it to. Remember, this kind of bullying appeals to authoritarian parties.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by randcraw on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:48PM (#43210469)
Maybe, but Trump's base is actually tiny, only about 22% of the US voters. This will strongly alienate the other 78% of Americans, not to mention 100% of America's allies. And America's enemies now see how grossly inept he actually is at negotiation, revealing that only physical threats will register with him. NOT a good development for America.

An insanely counterproductive ploy, but typical of Trump's 'gangsterism rules' philosophy of leadership.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by GolfPopper on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:04PM (#43210826)
>This will strongly alienate the other 78% of Americans

It will strongly alienate the subsection of the other 78% of Americans who learn of it and care. I suspect that's nowhere near 100% of them, and I'd be shocked if it was over 30%

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by bilbo0s on Friday February 28, 2025 @05:02PM (#43212089)
I'd be shocked if it was over 30%

Wow! You think pretty highly of us!

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by insane_dreamer on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:54PM (#43210610)
But those 22% make an awful lot of noise and are aggressive in getting moderate Republicans to lose their seats.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by TiredOfLife on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:51PM (#43213529)
He didn't get elected with 22%.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by rbanffy on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:14PM (#43209852)
They used to have professionals managing such meetings.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by forum-soon-yuck on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:30PM (#43210117)
They still do, and the fact that most of you don't see that this farce was scripted just proves that
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by rpmisms on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:49PM (#43210498)
I don't think so. We just saw a closed-door meeting take place publicly. That's all.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by insane_dreamer on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:53PM (#43210574)
"That's all" is a major deal. There's a reason you never see that.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by rpmisms on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:24PM (#43211314)
Yes, but I also think that making sausage in public has advantages. You have to admit that this is a very transparent negotiation.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by insane_dreamer on Friday February 28, 2025 @07:10PM (#43213779)
it's certainly interesting, I'll give you that
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by timtimmy on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:37PM (#43210262)
It's not beyond imagination that this will happen to the Canadian Prime Minister next.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by fads_go on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:13PM (#43211062)
I wonder what would happen if the Canadian Prime Minister then decided to file charges of treason against Musk, and issue an arrest warrant?
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by dr_kiszonka on Saturday March 01, 2025 @01:16AM (#43216485)
Nothing good I am afraid.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by jcutrell on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:22PM (#43209990)
Sadly it will be praised as "tough" by many.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by pupppet on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:29PM (#43210102)
Look at the comments on FoxNews, it was America's finest hour.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by Alifatisk on Friday February 28, 2025 @01:55PM (#43209027)
I don't think so
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by LightBug1 on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:02PM (#43210788)
Everything Trump touches ... dies.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by libertine on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:26PM (#43210052)
Isn't Trump giving access only to just a select group of journalists?
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by TechBro8615 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @01:44AM (#43216617)
No, usually this is done behind closed doors and away from the press.