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Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by xerox13ster on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:10PM (#43199622)
Good!!! I just finished porting my number off of T-Mobile since I canceled my service with them mid-Superbowl when I learned they were collaborating with StarLink; I don't want to support a man advocating for my erasure because he's mad at his daughter for disowning him. I made it explicitly clear why I was cancelling, citing Elon and StarLink by name.

Glad to see others participating in the "free" market and "voting with our wallets" before that ends up being the only way we can vote. Even more glad Slim is costing him billions compared to my pennies.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by marcuschong on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:52PM (#43199968)
It would be amazing if Elon became recognized as the toxic figure that he is, and that had real economic impact on his companies.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by marcuschong on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:55PM (#43199995)
I do wonder though, when I see so many famous people on Joe Rogan, for example, if the world isn't pass that somehow. Remember Neil Young as the absolutely solitary voice trying to pressure Spotify? It doesn't matter if you think Rogan should be boycotted; there are people that clearly should be doing it, to be honest with their own values, but aren't.

Edit: small correction.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by saturn8601 on Thursday February 27, 2025 @08:35PM (#43200634)
Since Trump started his term, Rogan has fallen from the top podcast in the charts to number two with a 32% drop in downloads over the past month. I guess its something?
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by ta1243 on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:54PM (#43200397)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgd9v3r69qo

> Shares in electric car maker Tesla have slumped more than 9% after EU and UK sales fell by almost half in January.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by roenxi on Thursday February 27, 2025 @08:01PM (#43200438)
> In 1938, Ford was awarded Nazi Germany's Grand Cross of the German Eagle, a medal given to foreigners sympathetic to Nazism

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#Honors_and_recognit...

By US standards, Musk is pretty good. And I doubt there'll be any economic consequences for him no matter what ideologies he holds. The literal next line on Wikipedia is "The United States Postal Service honored Ford with a Prominent Americans series (1965–1978) 12¢ postage stamp".

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by insane_dreamer on Friday February 28, 2025 @01:01AM (#43202202)
Actually before WW2 many Americans were somewhat sympathetic to the Nazis; Hitler didn't seem so bad until he started invading other countries and stepped up his persecution of the Jews and Roma in 1938. Other recipients of that award were Charles Lindburgh and the chairman of IBM.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by _DeadFred_ on Friday February 28, 2025 @02:57PM (#43209644)
I'm not going to research historical Nazi's to try and what, understand???, why current day nazi's aren't so bad. Fuck all Nazi's.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:00PM (#43200025)
Well, there's a lot in the news today about the FAA cancelling a 2.4 billion dollar contract with Verizon and awarding it to Starlink.

So look like Musk may have gotten a good deal with the couple hundred million he spent to help get Trump elected.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by LanceJones on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:56PM (#43200002)
You wish for the failure of industry-leading products and tech developed by 150,000+ employees around the world? What a strange thing to wish for.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by Larrikin on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:53PM (#43200390)
Lots of people wish for the failures of profitable businesses. The sooner the better for us to be off oil the better for the planet. The slave trade employed many people and was extremely profitable. There's no reason to care about Starlink being successful.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by AngryData on Thursday February 27, 2025 @08:18PM (#43200533)
Why not? The entire point of market economics is to make that not a problem and leave room for other potentially better companies to take the place of worse ones. He obviously is a negative influence for the business as a whole even if he stayed out of politics, just the fact that he tries to pull so much money/value out of those businesses for personal gain has a negative effect on how efficient and beneficial to consumers those businesses can be.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by jxjnskkzxxhx on Thursday February 27, 2025 @08:52PM (#43200757)
Yes, I do. More important than tech and jobs is that we keep too much power from accumulating in any one persons hands.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by rsynnott on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:40AM (#43203242)
That _may_ be happening, with fairly dramatic Tesla sales declines in Europe, though that also might just be competition.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by diego_sandoval on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:08PM (#43200083)
> a man advocating for my erasure

What do you mean?

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by tills13 on Thursday February 27, 2025 @08:12PM (#43200503)
Maybe OP is trans
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Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by spankalee on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:16PM (#43200141)
What are you even talking about? Trying to rule that trans people don't exist and kick them out of every space possible is one of the biggest efforts of Trump's first month.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by all2 on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:38PM (#43199847)
Curious about what this is about. I don't pay very close attention to the news cycle.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by ziddoap on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:42PM (#43199877)
I assume they are referring to this partnership:

https://www.t-mobile.com/news/network/t-mobile-starlink-beta...

"T-Mobile (NASDAQ: TMUS) introduced the next big thing in wireless — T-Mobile Starlink — to tens of millions of football fans. Now in public beta, this breakthrough service, developed in partnership with Starlink [...]"

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by all2 on Thursday February 27, 2025 @08:27PM (#43200589)
I got that part. It was the "wants to eliminate my people" part I'm missing. Is Musk talking genocide?
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by lepus on Friday February 28, 2025 @12:13AM (#43201935)
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by all2 on Friday February 28, 2025 @01:55AM (#43202551)
Ah, yeah, he's making the 'this is mental illness' argument that has been a mainstay in psychology for the last century or so.

Mainstream acceptance was slow up until the last 10 years or so.

I doubt he'll succeed in his efforts. I don't think he cares as much as the people he's targeting care.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by bainganbharta on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:43PM (#43199887)
> I don't pay very close attention to the news cycle.

Well that's the first problem right there.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by alwa on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:53PM (#43199979)
I have yet to meet a person who regrets having successfully weaned themselves off the news-cycle dopamine treadmill. If anything, I find that they tend to be better informed and more thoughtful than they were when they wasted cycles on the carnival.

Might just be me though.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by fragmede on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:07PM (#43200077)
While I encourage everyone to opt out of the sensationalized news cycle and prioritize their own mental health, people who aren't paying attention aren't better informed, because the news is actively being censored by their billionaire owners, so it takes a lot of effort to be fully informed, and no, remembering a few things they heard off of Joe Rogan doesn't make them well informed.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by wizzwizz4 on Thursday February 27, 2025 @08:04PM (#43200459)
Ea-nāṣir sold me poor-quality copper. I need high-quality copper. Therefore, I will buy loads of copper from Ea-nāṣir, and sift through it until I find high-quality copper.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by fragmede on Thursday February 27, 2025 @09:23PM (#43201000)
The copper market sold me copper, some of which was low quality, some of which was high quality. But instead of continuing to shop at the whole market and developing any sense of what is quality, I've decided to go exclusively to Joe's Best Copper. He tells me his stuff is the best. I don't go to anyone else now so I have no way of comparing it to anything else. Anyway, there's no possible way he could be lying to me, I'm way too smart for than.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by yongjik on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:11PM (#43200103)
Well that's a bit of conceptual selection bias, isn't it? Good for their mental health, but you cannot regret something if you don't know what you're missing.

There must have been 1930s Europeans who checked out of all those news about Hitler, after all. Must have been much better for their peace of mind, until one day suddenly it wasn't.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by swatcoder on Thursday February 27, 2025 @08:08PM (#43200473)
> There must have been 1930s Europeans who checked out of all those news about Hitler, after all. Must have been much better for their peace of mind, until one day suddenly it wasn't.

Since we're on the topic of being informed, there are many books and articles -- spanning almost 100 years now -- that you can spend some time with to better understand how all sorts of different "1930's Europeans" were relating to the happenings of their world.

As you suggest, that kind of insight can be really enlightening.

Most people would be way more informed about current events by sourcing, reading, and reflecting on something like that once a month while absorbing big events through occasional exposure and personal conversation than by anxiously drowning themselves in the noise of 24/7 engagement media.

Being informed doesn't come by catching every bit of rumor and ephemeral trivia scattered across Twitter, but by relating major events to a learned understanding of how they may impact people and communities. For many, this becomes apparent as they live through more news cycles as an anxious news junkie and recognize that only a tiny share of the things they became fixated with actually proved to matter and that most of the people who weren't so caught up in the noise were no less informed about the things that did.

It's actually not nearly so hard to be informed as you might think and a lot of the things that people to do make themselves feel more informed often just distract and confuse them.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by lesuorac on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:15PM (#43200133)
The thing is the Nazi's didn't come out of nowhere.

If you check the news once a week or once a minute you'll still notice them.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by throwaway-blaze on Thursday February 27, 2025 @08:26PM (#43200574)
The rise of Hitler was noticed and minimized by even the most plugged-in governments and leaders. The UK was led by a chap who thought he could mollify him by just giving him parts of Central Europe. You can call Chamberlain many names but "uninformed" isn't one.

I like the description earlier in the thread of "the carnival". You can leave at any time and your life and dopamine will be the better for it.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by cruffle_duffle on Thursday February 27, 2025 @10:29PM (#43201392)
lol. Because I’m sure all the news was posting anything critical about the nazi party at all. Look at now the vast majority of the mainstream news handled Covid. Absolutely zero intellectual curiosity or actual honest insight and 100% pure grade-a government propaganda. Not even a shred of actual investigation or thought. They were nothing more than a mouthpiece for whatever nonsense the government spewed out.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by cruffle_duffle on Thursday February 27, 2025 @10:26PM (#43201368)
Nope. It’s the best decision you’ll ever make. It’s pure propaganda that has absolutely no positive impact at all.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by AlecSchueler on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:24AM (#43203138)
So many here are in agreement that queer erasure is occurring you're saying that being informed about it happening can have no positive impact at all? How should we fight against something if we ignore that it is even happening?
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by wizzwizz4 on Monday March 03, 2025 @07:48AM (#43241232)
Have you seen this discussed in the news? I haven't.
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Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by jfaulken on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:46PM (#43199918)
Politics, I know, but: I guess he just missed the part where Slim is dismantling his country for profit. Oh yeah and literally a Nazi.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by rayiner on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:57PM (#43200009)
Profoundly inverted sense of morality. Don’t know what can be done about it.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by ziddoap on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:50PM (#43199946)
>dismantling his country for profit

Wow, that certainly sounds familiar.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by tdeck on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:49PM (#43199933)
These seem like more reasons to celebrate the end of a partnership between two oligarchs. May it cost them both money in the end.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by daveguy on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:48PM (#43199927)
elon lost a contract. At this point most people consider that a good thing, since he is trying to sow chaos in the US government for little to no benefit to the US or anywhere else except his wallet. And he is enabling the little dictator.

That doesn't mean you support the person who pulled the contract.

You can scream MDS all you want. Most people are done with the meme garbage.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by rayiner on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:01PM (#43200036)
Dismantling the federal bureaucracy that runs the country is a tremendous service to the country. We should be a democracy, not a country where the people who actually run the country are all from one party.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by anigbrowl on Thursday February 27, 2025 @08:03PM (#43200449)
Top shelf question-begging there, counselor.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by rayiner on Thursday February 27, 2025 @09:06PM (#43200857)
It’s not question-begging. DC is a place where, when democrats win, a million Democrat-supporting civil servants work hard to advance the agenda. And when republicans win, some outright rebel, while most just drag their feet and wait for a democrat to come back into office. Harris and Trump got 60-40 in Little Bangladesh in Queens New York, but it was 90-6 in DC. That’s not democracy. It needs to be fixed.

Unfortunately, this is true of a vast range of our institutions—they have abandoned their traditional institutional principles and become progressive advocacy organizations. For example, the ABA is peddling sovereign-citizen level legal conspiracy theories these days: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/diversity/women/initiativ...

I looked through the SFFA amicus briefs. Though the winning side was legally correct and also supported by a supermajority of the public, I noticed that every major legal organization and every large law firm was on the losing side that most Americans oppose. We find ourselves in a position where our institutions must be rebuilt from the ground up to regain the public trust.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by anigbrowl on Friday February 28, 2025 @02:36AM (#43202779)
Civil servants don't vote for the party that constantly lies about and shits on them? Astonishing.

Nor was I aware that the ABA was part of the government. It's this sort of high quality analysis that keeps me coming back to HN.

Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by daveguy on Friday February 28, 2025 @09:21AM (#43205885)
Thinking that everyone in a federal job or benefitting from those big bad grants are all in one party is some massive ignorance that takes a lot of brainwashing on right wing media to accomplish. They won't understand until it affects someone they know. By then musk will have diverted a lot of spending to his own companies with the doge fraud.
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Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by xerox13ster on Thursday February 27, 2025 @06:21PM (#43199706)
They're gonna come for me anyway. Better than my communications going through his network. Maybe if enough people cite his behavior when cancelling T-Mobile will back off working with him, and he'll lose even more money.
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Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by fragmede on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:10PM (#43200096)
not sure why you read "irrational ragequit" into it. Calmly telling the CSA, who may or may not be in the Philippines, what to note down as cancellation reason: Other - Elon Musk, gets stuffed into a database and then bubbles up in internal reports on a pie chart of reasons so if enough other people also cite that reason, it becomes seen.
Re:Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's St... by huang_chung on Thursday February 27, 2025 @07:14PM (#43200121)
This is why, OP said mid-superBowl:

> T-Mobile since I canceled my service with them mid-Superbowl when I learned they were collaborating with StarLink

That implies spur of the moment, emotional response.

You are watching the Super Bowl one minute, you see a commercial for T-Mobile, then immediately call to cancel your service in anger? If it happened at all - you must port before cancelling, or lose the number