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Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by 1970-01-01 on Friday February 07, 2025 @10:44AM (#42973958)
Off-topic;

Why does America use 60Hz? I've never found a satisfactory answer.

Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by zokier on Friday February 07, 2025 @11:10AM (#42974276)
> They were disposed to adopt 50 cycles, but American arc light carbons then available commercially did not give good results at that frequency and this was an important feature which led them to go higher

"The origins of 60-Hz as a power frequency" https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/628099

Better question is why did Germans pick 50 Hz, I'm not aware of any comparable benefits of having lower frequency

Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by cedilla on Friday February 07, 2025 @11:33AM (#42974580)
If I read your source correctly, there is no real advantage of 60 Hertz or 50 Hertz, and the decision was usually due to circumstantial reasons, like supporting some existing arc-lights or difficulties with induction motors. Induction motors are also the reason why some railways chose to use 16⅔ Hertz, still in use to this day.

In the end, there is no real difference between 50 or 60 Hz, there is no clear advantage to either, especially with modern components. But you do have to choose as the whole network is synchronous.

Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by zokier on Friday February 07, 2025 @02:34PM (#42976553)
How is better working lighting not a real advantage?
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by cedilla on Friday February 07, 2025 @03:48PM (#42977312)
It would be, but that advantage was with very specific lamps that are now obsolete for more than 100 years.
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by SECProto on Friday February 07, 2025 @01:09PM (#42975636)
50 Hz is a lot easier to math (50 Hz = 0.02/s, 60 Hz = 0.0166666). Don't know if that's why, but it very easily could be.
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by bonzini on Friday February 07, 2025 @04:52PM (#42977928)
60 is the easier one, in that you can divide it by 3/4/6/12 and have an integer frequency. Probably the reason why a lot of Babylonian math used base 60, which is where our time and angle measurements come from.
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by SECProto on Friday February 07, 2025 @11:49PM (#42980472)
60 is easier to factor, but that's kind of irrelevant when most AC formulas use frequency as a multiplicator. 0.02 is easier to multiply than 0.016667 (though at the end of the day, it doesnt really matter, because pi is used in most of the equations, so it ends up irrational anyway)
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by throw0101d on Saturday February 08, 2025 @07:36AM (#42982527)
> 60 is easier to factor, but that's kind of irrelevant when most AC formulas use frequency as a multiplicator.

Is the fact there are 360˚ (2π radians) in a circle, and 60 goes into that cleanly, of any use?

Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by dapperdrake on Sunday February 09, 2025 @11:56PM (#42997083)
No really, because functions like sin(), cos() and tan() are defined numerically for "expecting Pi as input" rather than 360 degrees of angle.
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by dapperdrake on Sunday February 09, 2025 @11:55PM (#42997074)
Pi (and e) are not only irrational numbers (not fractions) but also transcendental numbers (non-algebraic numbers meaning not roots of polynomials with rational coefficients).

So, even messier for dealing with than, say, square root of two (irrational and algebraic) or square root of minus one (algebraic).

Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by mmooss on Friday February 07, 2025 @10:53AM (#42974081)
Whoever chose it must have been aware of the use of 60 in time measurement and its practicality: 60 min/hr, 60 sec/min, 60 cycles/sec.
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by 1970-01-01 on Friday February 07, 2025 @11:28AM (#42974524)
Time traveling Babylonians are proud to have 60Hz electricity.
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by Retric on Friday February 07, 2025 @10:49AM (#42974033)
A better question is why does Japan use Both 60 Hz and 50 Hz in different areas? And that’s really just a legacy from early decisions at different companies when the grid was first introduced, and there’s never been a sufficiently compelling reason for either to swap.

60 Hz is slightly better in terms of flickering, but neither has enough advantages to really be a determining factor on their own.

Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by mywittyname on Friday February 07, 2025 @10:59AM (#42974161)
Isn't this a side effect of one area of Japan building their electrical grid with components from British manufactures while the other used American-made components?
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by nom on Friday February 07, 2025 @05:19PM (#42978160)
yeah, they had to buy what they can get.

IIRC it was German AEG and General Electric

Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by sidewndr46 on Friday February 07, 2025 @11:12AM (#42974304)
US did the same, Southern California was 50 Hz at first. It didn't convert until after WWII
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by applied_heat on Friday February 07, 2025 @12:13PM (#42975038)
There was 25 Hz infrastructure in Ontario until the 1950s

https://www.lifebynumbers.ca/history/the-rise-and-fall-of-25...

Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by cf100clunk on Friday February 07, 2025 @01:03PM (#42975570)
Yep, the government had to go house-by-house, building-by-building replacing all electrically powered devices that could not be adapted. Thankfully it also happened early in the era of electronic devices.
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by sidewndr46 on Friday February 07, 2025 @03:24PM (#42977057)
it's substantially easier to run modern electronics off random frequency power than other stuff like an induction motor. A typical power supply is rated for 47 Hz- 63 Hz. But it'll happily run off almost anything higher than 10 hz and lower than 1000 hz.

universal motors in particular do not care at all about frequency

Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by sidewndr46 on Friday February 07, 2025 @03:22PM (#42977032)
oh wow, 25 Hz was supplied to homes? I know New Orleans still has some pumps that run on some oddball frequency. It's part of the reason why they never work during the storms (when you need them). The "grid" is just a set of colocated generation sets
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by throw0101d on Saturday February 08, 2025 @07:41AM (#42982562)
From the above link:

    Sir Adam Beck #1 ten 25 Hz generating units were converted 
    to 60 Hz or modified as follows:
    
    Units 9 and 10 to 60 Hz in 1956
    Unit 3 to 60 Hz in 1970
    Unit 4 to 60 Hz in 1984
    Unit 5 to 60 Hz in 1985
    Unit 8 to 60 Hz in 1990
    Unit 6 to 60 Hz in 1996
    Unit 7 to 60 Hz in 2009
2009! Talk about legacy support.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Adam_Beck_Hydroelectric_Ge...

* https://www.opg.com/stories/opgs-sir-adam-beck-i-hydro-stati...

Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by clarionbell on Friday February 07, 2025 @10:46AM (#42973984)
These frequencies are often inherited from whoever was the first grid operator, and electricity producer. Same goes for lot of other parameters.
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by causality0 on Friday February 07, 2025 @10:53AM (#42974082)
50 and 60Hz were about equal in transmission efficiency but in 1891 Westinghouse engineers decided 60Hz produced less perceptible flickering in light sources.
Re:Baltic countries disconnect from the Russian power grid by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday February 07, 2025 @10:53AM (#42974077)
Things are the way they are because they got that way over time.

Civil infrastructure is legacy systems all the way down. Once a choice is made, it's hard to change. In the city where I am, some of the design decisions date back to the Romans.