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Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by yumraj on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:05PM (#42940471)
But isn’t that the same when people and schools create effing Facebook groups and events or whatever they are called and find it hard to believe that people don’t use that crap. Or create WhatsApp groups and communities and so on and on.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by chippiewill on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:07PM (#42940495)
Yes, but at least those don't have hardware lock-in.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by Retric on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @08:18PM (#42942105)
You only need an iCloud+ account not an Apple device.

Thus there’s zero hardware lock-in, an Android user could send invites. Though obviously iCloud is more appealing if you’re part of there ecosystem, you can just use it for file storage etc.

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by Hackbraten on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:20PM (#42940671)
WhatsApp absolutely has hardware lock-in. You need to be an Apple or Google customer to use it, and you need at least one Android or iOS phone.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by Evil_Saint on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:27PM (#42940773)
Wow. I assumed you could use Whatsapp on the web but you literally can't. You have to have an Android or Iphone. I guess maybe there's a way to fake it with emulators on your computer but that's a lot of work that you shouldn't need to have to do.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by CountHackulus on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @07:35PM (#42941619)
You can use Whatsapp on the web, but you can't create an account on the web.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by Evil_Saint on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @07:38PM (#42941656)
Worse they require frequent logins on device to keep the with client working. Just making the account on device isn't enough. You have to maintain it as well.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by manmal on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:40PM (#42940961)
An Android emulator with Play Services should work in theory, but I haven’t tried it. They could have extra checks to prevent that.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by paper2d on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:10PM (#42943671)
You can install whatsapp on degoogled phones as well! No need of play services.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by notpushkin on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:58PM (#42943998)
This.

I think there’s also an unofficial Python library, so you can write a simple script that keeps your account active (and use the web client).

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by fsflover on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @05:59AM (#42946804)
> degoogled phones

It's still Android. How do I do it on a GNU/Linux phone?

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by teddyh on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @01:43PM (#42953171)
Waydroid.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by brailsafe on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @09:41PM (#42942978)
Well, it is tied to your phone number, idk if hardware lock in and vendor lock in are in the same camp exactly
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by pbmonster on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @03:45AM (#42945772)
The requirement is not exactly "iOS or Android", the requirement is "SIM card with valid phone number". Otherwise, you could use it on iPads and Android tablets, which you normally can't.

WhatsApp accounts are directly tied to a single phone number, both for user discovery (that way, you can simply message everybody in your contacts who has the app - just the way user expect it to work) and for spam prevention.

Creating a smartphone messaging app without this feature would be orders of magnitude more difficult, you simply can't get normie users to go around "hey, what's your WhatsApp user name?"

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by Hackbraten on Thursday February 06, 2025 @09:24PM (#42968605)
None of my phones can run WhatsApp, even though they do have SIM cards. That's because none of them runs iOS or Android.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by chem83 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:28PM (#42940781)
You said it yourself -- customers have options.

Also, you forgot KaiOS.

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by fabrice_d on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:49PM (#42941057)
Unfortunately WhatsApp stopped supporting KaiOS.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by lallysingh on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:27PM (#42940770)
They have a desktop version of WhatsApp.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by pedalpete on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:36PM (#42940909)
As far as I know, the desktop requires you to sign-in via QR code from a mobile phone that you're logged into whatsapp on.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by bolognafairy on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:30PM (#42940818)
Yeah, well, you need a computer to go on the internet! Where’s the freedom there!? /s
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by Hackbraten on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @02:59AM (#42945419)
Your comment is missing the point.

Even if you do have a smartphone, you might be running some flavor of Linux on it. Or maybe Google terminated your account due to some false positive.

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by cortesoft on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:43PM (#42940990)
I use WhatsApp on my desktop
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by Biganon on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @07:25PM (#42941495)
The desktop version requires you to connect with your phone. It's just a proxy to your phone.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by sfRattan on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:45PM (#42941018)
Is it possible to install WhatsApp on one of the three major 3rd-party AOSP-based operating systems (distros): Graphene OS, Calyx OS, or Lineage OS?

Each one has varying models for replacing functionality of the Google Play Services, and IIRC the Aurora store [1] allows for installation of apps from Google Play without a Google account.

It's not a combination of steps that would be accessible to the average user, but I think it should be possible to use WhatsApp without being an Apple or Google customer (nominally a customer of Google hardware---Pixel phones---if using Graphene or Calyx, and ultimately a customer of Meta/Facebook for WhatsApp itself).

[1]: https://aurorastore.org/

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by notpushkin on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @01:08AM (#42944508)
It is. Works great without Google services (maybe pushes don’t work though, I can’t remember), or with microG.

> It's not a combination of steps that would be accessible to the average user

Tangential, but I’m thinking about starting a degoogled phone shop. Not sure if it’s a good business idea, but I think there is at least some demand there.

EDIT: aurorastore[.]org you link to is not the official site by the way. I’d not trust the APKs you get there. The official is https://auroraoss.com/ (and the downloads on F-Droid should be legit, too).

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by pbmonster on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @04:00AM (#42945891)
> Tangential, but I’m thinking about starting a degoogled phone shop. Not sure if it’s a good business idea, but I think there is at least some demand there.

Sounds like an incredible amount of pain for very little gain.

* Even in my bubble (CS nerds, Linux only, FOSS developers, ect.), only around 20% run custom ROMs on their phones. The demand is tiny.

* Even the very best UX ROMs (GrapheneOS on a modern Pixel, with full Google Services re-installed in a sandbox) will drive normies crazy. Google Lens and Android Auto are non-trivial to get running. Google Pay/Wallet is straight up impossible. And again, this is on a re-googled de-googled phone. Can't imagine how bad it's with a truely de-googled phone.

* If you go back into the walled garden defeated, you lose almost everything you did outside it. The few things you don't lose, you will have to work hard for.

The few customers you would get would create a high number of support requests, and be very unhappy with whatever you could do for them. Everybody not needing your support already runs LinageOS/GrapheneOS successfully on their own.

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by notpushkin on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @07:42AM (#42947683)
Yeah, probably not really worth it.

> Google Pay/Wallet is straight up impossible

FWIW, microG seems to have fixed Play Integrity (again), so Google Pay is not out of the question now. (It’s still very painful though, even on LineageOS with Google services without a sandbox I can’t get it working – though it seems that my device was flagged specifically, and in theory it should work with some hacks.)

And I think Google Lens should work out of the box :thinking:

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by jwr on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @09:50PM (#42943061)
What's worse, and what people gloss over, is that you have to sync your contacts to Facebook/Meta in order to use WhatsApp. That's a lot of very private information that tells them a lot about you. There is a reason why Facebook paid bajillions for WhatsApp and maintains it, even though the communication is encrypted and there are no ads — it's not out of the goodness of their noble hearts.

But try telling this to anyone and watch their eyes glaze over in a matter of seconds.

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by AlexandrB on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @08:14AM (#42948034)
You don't have to. At least on iOS I've managed to get away without doing it until now. WhatsApp does make it inconvenient to do stuff without syncing contacts though.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by malloci on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:18PM (#42940649)
From the article, however, you don't technically need an apple device...an iCloud+ account is sufficient. That said, I don't know many people with iCloud+ who aren't already in the Apple ecosystem, and obviously anything Apple releases will obviously have some advantage to it if you use the hardware alone.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by cowsandmilk on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @07:05PM (#42941258)
No one other than the organizer needs anything Apple.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by lmm on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @07:41PM (#42941690)
Facebook you can access through any browser, on any hardware, and without having to pay for it. Not remotely comparable to Apple-only stuff. $1000 or whatever an iPhone costs these days is a lot of money for some people.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by JimDabell on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @08:27PM (#42942230)
> $1000 or whatever an iPhone costs these days

Why do people always make up iPhone prices when the truth is readily available? You can buy a brand-new, unsubsidised iPhone for less than half that, and that’s not counting second-hand devices or phones on a contract, which are both incredibly common ways of getting a phone.

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by bossyTeacher on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:34PM (#42940873)
It's the same. They are all walled gardens (whether hardware walled gardens or software walled gardens)
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by lordofgibbons on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @07:13PM (#42941364)
As much I deeply dislike Meta, it's not the same. I can simply open the Play store install facebook or Instagram. For the Apple walled garden, I need to spend $800+ USD
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by addandsubtract on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @07:59PM (#42941906)
You don't even need an app for Facebook or Instagram.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by sbuk on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @03:26AM (#42945636)
You don't even need an app for Invites.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by mmcclure on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @10:10PM (#42943222)
It feels like everyone's talking past each other in a big way on this thread. You don't need an Apple Device to participate in one of these events. At most you might need an iCloud account, which, (imo) is pretty much the same as Meta and crew.

Unrelated to that point, as other posters have called out, folks pretty consistently overstate the cost of Apple hardware relative to peers. You can spend $800 on a new iPhone 16, the latest release, or half that on an iPhone SE. Both of these options are available right now on Apple.com. This feels like saying you'd need to spend $1000+ on an Android because that's how much the newest Pixel costs.

Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by whimsicalism on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @06:26PM (#42940756)
sorry all of those things are way more acceptable than what apple does imo
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by bigiain on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @01:25AM (#42944630)
<rant> or when you look for a FOSS project's documentation and it just says "Join our Discord!". Grrrrr. Nope.
Re:Apple Launches Apple Invites by e-clinton on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @06:35AM (#42947085)
Hard to believe? Where have you been? What other platform has billions of users that everyone should use instead?