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Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by Fnoord on Friday January 31, 2025 @03:24PM (#42891497)
Probably the last time the Dutch police cooperates with the US government. What a time to be alive...
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by hhh on Friday January 31, 2025 @03:31PM (#42891588)
Why would it be the last? They have a long and vibrant history of collaboration.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by compootr on Friday January 31, 2025 @03:32PM (#42891603)
re: the new administration
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by riedel on Friday January 31, 2025 @03:57PM (#42891875)
There is claims that the current dutch administration kind of invented their new US counterpart: https://www.politico.eu/article/the-man-who-invented-trumpis...
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by Fnoord on Friday January 31, 2025 @04:20PM (#42892195)
That guy ain't doing EO's. He ain't even leading the country; Dick Schoof does. Well, on paper, at least.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by vanderZwan on Friday January 31, 2025 @04:35PM (#42892392)
That's… a very naive take imo. Wilders is a far-right populist like Trump, and they have many other similarities, but they also have some very crucial differences. A very important one being that Trump is a figure-head leader but actually a puppet of other forces, while Wilders avoids being prime minister at all costs so he can keep playing the role of a reactionary politician complaining about bad leadership while making everyone dependent on him.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by AnimalMuppet on Friday January 31, 2025 @08:24PM (#42894669)
Who, specifically, do you claim that Trump is a puppet of, and why?
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by vanderZwan on Sunday February 02, 2025 @12:22PM (#42910053)
If you still are not noticing how quickly Trump changes his mind on literally anything depending on who is prepared to pay him, then no "specific" argument I can make will convince you otherwise. So I'm not in the mood to waste either of our time "debating" this here.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by bobxmax on Friday January 31, 2025 @08:46PM (#42894813)
Wilders is also a fair bit more extreme than Trump.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by bluGill on Friday January 31, 2025 @03:59PM (#42891896)
Trump has a high statistical odds of dieing before the end of his term because of old age. (I doubt anyone will assassinate him, but that is also possible for any leader of a country). There will be more changes in administration - there always are.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by Larrikin on Friday January 31, 2025 @04:05PM (#42891979)
There is no statistical evidence of this when compared to presidents and not the general public. Seems like most presidents after World War 2 live a very long time if they are not assassinated.

https://potus.com/presidential-facts/presidents-age-at-death...

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by bluGill on Friday January 31, 2025 @04:31PM (#42892350)
I'm not quite sure how to calculate these statistics, but as I read the charts, it looks like someone his age has about a 25% chance of dieing in the next 4 years. Even in the worst (best?) case, he has near zero change of 25 more years, which means most reading this will outlive him.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by prmoustache on Friday January 31, 2025 @06:36PM (#42893772)
but most aren't morbidly obese no?
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by InitialLastName on Friday January 31, 2025 @04:35PM (#42892389)
The 4 post-WWII ex-presidents who outlived Trump circa 2028 (Bush Sr, Reagan, Ford, Carter) were all notable for their health and athleticism, which Trump isn't.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by rafram on Friday January 31, 2025 @08:14PM (#42894595)
I would not say that Reagan, who famously developed Alzheimer’s while in office, was notable for his health. But he was already fairly old when he took office.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by opo on Saturday February 01, 2025 @02:52AM (#42896677)
>famously developed Alzheimer's...

This isn't what his doctors have said.

>...In 1989, just a few months after he completed his second term as president, Reagan underwent surgery to drain a subdural hematoma caused by a fall from a horse in Mexico. Such brain injury can increase the likelihood of developing Alzheimer’s disease or perhaps even cause it.

https://hekint.org/2023/11/30/the-medical-history-of-ronald-...

After this Reagan had annual exams for signs of Alzheimers and was diagnosed in 1994.

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by asveikau on Friday January 31, 2025 @05:08PM (#42892807)
> I doubt anyone will assassinate him, but that is also possible for any leader of a country

After the incidents during the campaign I imagine Trump is very paranoid, mostly stays safely indoors and minimizes time in public. I haven't heard anyone say so but I suspected that was one reason he had an indoor inauguration (along with the other reasons people speculated about).

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by prmoustache on Friday January 31, 2025 @06:38PM (#42893790)
he might have more probbility to crash on the new Boeing air force one replacements he asked Musk to help speedup the delivery.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by TeaBrain on Saturday February 01, 2025 @12:09AM (#42895845)
The temperature itself was probably reason enough. It was the coldest inauguration since 1985 and the inauguration was held inside that year also.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by asveikau on Saturday February 01, 2025 @02:02AM (#42896397)
Obama's first one was basically the same - 1° F warmer. https://www.weather.gov/lwx/events_Inauguration

1985 was a full 20°F colder.

I think it is gullible to take this explanation at face value.

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by BenjiWiebe on Saturday February 01, 2025 @02:16PM (#42901232)
Maybe after Obama's people decided that one should've been inside and any future ones at similar temperatures should be inside?
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by IncreasePosts on Friday January 31, 2025 @05:39PM (#42893170)
Maybe from straight actuarial tables, but those don't take into account Trump's incredible wealth, immediate access to the greatest doctors in the world, nor the fact that his parents lived until 88 & 93 years old.

Edit: actually, even actuarial tables give a 78 year old a 50% chance of living another 9 years.

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by toyg on Saturday February 01, 2025 @04:13AM (#42897049)
> immediate access to the greatest doctors

If I were one of such doctors, I'd stay the hell away. Apart from the reputational damage of helping someone who advocated for injecting bleach, there is the fact that they just won't get paid. Trump stiffs all his contractors.

I don't think he's going to die in office (which wouldn't help much anyway; if anything, it would mean "instant canonisation" and weeks of TV programs extolling his virtues). I think it's sad that this is where most of the thinking population of the US is: hoping for the old dictator to die, like some African or South American backwater.

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by pavel_lishin on Friday January 31, 2025 @05:45PM (#42893221)
Sure. Do you think Mr. Vance has significantly different politics?
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by dylan604 on Friday January 31, 2025 @06:12PM (#42893520)
I don't think Vance has a real sense of anything other than being a lap dog. Not all seconds make great firsts.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by bobxmax on Friday January 31, 2025 @07:01PM (#42893994)
Not all seconds make great seconds either.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by AngryData on Friday January 31, 2025 @07:39PM (#42894339)
On the other hand the president has basically medical staff on standby all the time just for them with the quickest humanly possible access to any and every medical advancement in existence.

And keeping old people limping along for as long as possible is one thing US medical care is great at, so long as they can pay for it. If it takes $1,000,000 per week to keep them alive, as long as the check clears they will move heaven and earth to keep them going, and the president effectively has infinite medical care credit through the state.

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by solumunus on Friday January 31, 2025 @03:39PM (#42891686)
The reasons are obvious, you’re clearly playing dumb.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by Fnoord on Friday January 31, 2025 @04:26PM (#42892271)
> Why would it be the last? They have a long and vibrant history of collaboration.

I suppose the FBI ends up being a partisan agency, like all other US government agencies.

Regardless, if trust is eroded between countries [1] [2] [3], why would the police of these countries cooperate, and share intel?

[1] Threaten those in NATO paying < 5% of annual budget to defense won't be protected by US (the US pays less).

[2] Threatening a colony of a NATO partner (Greenland, of Denmark).

[3] Threaten all your [now former] friends with tariffs.

FVEY is dead. NATO is dead. And any cooperation between US and NL is also dead. However, CA and AU might increase their cooperation with EU.

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by rafram on Friday January 31, 2025 @08:12PM (#42894580)
To be precise, the NATO target is 5% of GDP. The US spends 13.3% of its budget on defense, but only 3.4% of GDP.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by opo on Saturday February 01, 2025 @02:08AM (#42896437)
Where are you getting this NATO target of 5% of GDP?

>...In 2006, NATO Defence Ministers agreed to commit a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to defence spending to continue to ensure the Alliance's military readiness.

>...The combined wealth of the non-US Allies, measured in GDP, is almost equal to that of the United States. However, non-US Allies together spend less than half of what the United States spends on defence.

https://www.nato.int/cps/em/natohq/topics_67655.htm#:~:text=...

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by tokioyoyo on Friday January 31, 2025 @05:41PM (#42893186)
Well, I genuinely hope our governments start getting in talks with China.
Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by terrabiped on Friday January 31, 2025 @08:35PM (#42894743)
1. I think it’s also fair to say that since the interview, Mark Rutte has come out and said that NATO countries need to increase their spending to be able to protect themselves. Countries like Poland, Sweden, and Lithuania (possibly more, though I haven’t followed this closely) have shared the same opinion. Paraphrasing Tusk's comments, wanting your allies to be stronger can hardly be considered a hostile move.

2. The only thing to add here is that, over time, this has morphed from “not ruling out the use of force” to “threatening the use of force.” Either way, I agree, it’s not a good look.

3. To counterbalance, the EU has been using US tech companies as a piggy bank for many years now, yet that hasn’t hindered collaboration between the US and Europe.

NATO isn’t dead but is likely only going to grow stronger. FVEY will probably continue, especially on initiatives where everyone stands to benefit.

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by exceptione on Saturday February 01, 2025 @06:00PM (#42903393)
> the EU has been using US tech companies as a piggy bank for many years now,

Ouch ouch... I have to tell you that you got this backwards. Those tech companies are very happy to hoard billions of dollars from EU citizens. The problem is more that they don't like competition and have utmost disrespect for human rights like privacy. There were lawsuits for the very basic thing of ANTI-COMPETITIVE behavior.

The real tragedy US people do not even know anymore what a healthy, competitive economy does entail. US companies do not like to compete, they like to kill competition.

I did not even mention they facilitate illegal stuff, poison society with disinformation and function as a springboard for adversary states. Those slaps on the wrist were a shame. Google, Apple and MS should have had received a ban for 20 years, but the EU has been to late to decouple, and now they find themselves in the grip of tech oligarchs.

(Luckily, some of them are also openly nazi-supporters, otherwise the Afd would miss some keynote speakers).

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by terrabiped on Sunday February 02, 2025 @05:06PM (#42912333)
Nice story, but it doesn’t really match the reality I’ve seen.

One example: I was involved in the implementation of Article 15/17 at one of the FAANG companies. Throughout the process, we had many meetings with governmental bodies in the EU and, specifically, with the European CMOs (many of these are government controlled in Europe). It was clear as day that all they wanted from us was to pay up. It was literal extortion and had nothing to do with helping the "creatives" or fair competition or anything else.

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by exceptione on Sunday February 02, 2025 @06:22PM (#42912950)
Man, that sounds unfair. If I would be the owner of a FAANG company, I would tell the EU to fuck themselves instead of using them as a piggy bank. Why do those FAANG companies still want to do business there? It almost sounds like the EU wants companies to pay taxes and fines if they violate the law.

An alternative theory is that you were not in every relevant meeting.

I am sorry for the sarcasm, but I totally don't buy it. And you understand why.

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by terrabiped on Sunday February 02, 2025 @06:55PM (#42913159)
> I would tell the EU to fuck themselves instead of using them as a piggy bank. Why do those FAANG companies still want to do business there?

Maybe because no one makes business decisions based on emotions? The situation could be unfair but you might still choose to continue to engage just because it's beneficial for the company for all other reasons. All things considered, they still make money in that region, maybe not as much as they would have made otherwise.

> An alternative theory is that you were not in every relevant meeting.

I'm telling you what we heard directly from the gov agencies and you're saying that I wasn't in the right meetings? Maybe, but I at least have some first-hand knowledge to share here and not just snarky comments.

> I am sorry for the sarcasm, but I totally don't buy it. And you understand why.

No, I don't understand why and I'm not very interested in continuing this conversation either. You don't seem to have much to add it.

Re:FBI, Dutch police disrupt 'Manipulaters' phishing gang by exceptione on Sunday February 02, 2025 @07:31PM (#42913447)
Well, let me be clear. No government can extort you here. There are laws. If you found the government agency in violation of the law, you should take it to the right court.

(A FAANG company usually has a lawyer or two. In an extreme case a fine would have been handled as a settlement for a complex series of violations by the company. The FAANG lawyer would understand it if the company still had a case or not. We know that FAANG companies have been in violation of various laws. Maybe FAANG got lucky and got a deal. That is unfair, I think a market access ban for several years is more fair for all people. The EU doesn't have a Trump. What you experienced was most likely competent and educated personnel from its executive branch. But you did not understand what your company did wrong. Hate me now, thank me later for giving a reality check.)