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Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by Cumpiler69 on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @09:25AM (#42306335)
>Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever.

It's not a prediction when it's history. That has been going on at least as long as the Roman Empire, yet people are still surprised it's happening today. Modern regimes didn't invent these schemes, they're reusing tried and tested methods because they're known to work because human psychology and behavioral instinct is vulnerable to the same exploits which probably will never get patched anytime soon.

Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by rrr_oh_man on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @09:32AM (#42306425)
And it’s always the others who are doing it. Our government would never. I mean, they did, but that was at least… dozens of years ago. And got forcibly declassified. They would never today. I guess. :-)
Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by dh2022 on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @09:42AM (#42306571)
I am sorry I lack context. Which government took over dozens of years ago? And what got forcibly declassified? Thanks.
Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by layer8 on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:08AM (#42306874)
This is about “using the constant threat of a virtual enemy”, not necessarily about a coup d’état (although that wasn’t so far away either four years ago).
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Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by coldtea on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:08AM (#42306886)
Speakers over 40 all around the world use that. And when emojis are not supported (like in an plain text file meant to be read on people's terminals, or iirc here on HN too), it makes sense for people under 40 too.
Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by setopt on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:24AM (#42307109)
They might have meant writing :-) instead of :), while I think you’re talking about
Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by jamal-kumar on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @11:37AM (#42308093)
Yeah specifically with that hyphen nose. I have like three friends who all do that and they all meet that description it's hilarious
Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by rrr_oh_man on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @05:23PM (#42312257)
Don‘t discriminate against the hyphen nose.

(Said in a sharp German accent)

:-)

Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by jamal-kumar on Thursday December 05, 2024 @03:19AM (#42326098)
Would guess also you remember your ICQ number
Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by llm_trw on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @09:40AM (#42306541)
It's been at least one dozen years ago since the last time it happened.

No one from that period is still in the exact same position as when it happened - some of them were promoted.

Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by nozzlegear on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:19AM (#42307032)
> some of them were promoted.

And the rest? Who exactly are you talking about here?

Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by rob74 on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @09:35AM (#42306460)
Indeed - When he wrote 1984 in 1948, Orwell just took his contemporary totalitarian regimes (mostly Nazi Germany and the USSR) and extrapolated them to world scale...
Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by BurningFrog on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:42AM (#42307336)
Orwell learned his cynicism the hard way as a volunteer soldier in the Spanish civil war 1936-37.

He arrived as an idealistic anti fascist fighter. After experiencing Stalinism in person, he became the man we know.

https://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/en/commentaries/how-spai...

Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by pessimizer on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @02:32PM (#42310236)
> He arrived as an idealistic anti fascist fighter.

He arrived as a Stalinist into a government and population of anarchists.

Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by ImPostingOnHN on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @09:51AM (#42306670)
1984 seems to be set in the UK ('Airstrip One', of 'Oceana').

None of the storyline actually takes place in 'Eurasia' or 'Eastasia' or any other part of the world. They don't need to even actually exist for the storyline. Indeed, this itself is a message about controlling a populace via control of information. The rest of the world could have been razed by war, they could be total utopias. The propaganda keeps people from thinking about alternatives.

Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by xnorswap on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:02AM (#42306819)
Yes, but Orwell wasn't really writing _about_ the UK, you need to look at the context and background of the work, which is the rise of Stalinism and the fear of that brand of totalitarianism taking over.
Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by zorked on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:20AM (#42307057)
There is a very politically-motivated school of interpretation of 1984 that wants to excessively tie it to "Stalinism" to prevent using the book to critique other political doctrines - completely unrelated to Stalinism or communism - that exhibit the same tendencies.

Interpret more broadly and it becomes a much better, more important book.

Re:South Korean president declares emergency martial law by xnorswap on Tuesday December 03, 2024 @10:24AM (#42307114)
It wasn't just Stalinism, it was wider totalitarianism too, but that wasn't the point I was making, it wasn't a critique directed against the state of the UK at the time, but what it could become.